God and Doctors

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God and Doctors

So, I've been noticing that a lot of people were in danger and went to the hospital. Whenever they would recover, they wouldn't thank their doctors or nurses. Oh, no, they thanked their god for having their lives saved. It really irritates me how ignorant they are of what the doctors did. I'd just like to go up to one of those people and say "Uh, actually, it was those *doctors* who saved your life back there. If not for them, you would have died while your 'god' watched on. So, next time you get out of the hospital, make sure you thank the *doctors* instead of your god." What are your opinions on this?

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ThePragmatic's picture
I debated a creationist, who

I debated a creationist, who said "Science can't do anything". I asked him to remember that the next time he had to go to the hospital. I think he just avoided answering that.

Another person I debated was totally convinced that he witnessed a miracle of god saving a close relative of his, at the hospital. The doctors didn't think that person wasn't going to make it, so therefore god did it. I asked why god didn't save the children with cancer lying at the hospital at that time. No direct answer there either.

If they really believed as they claim, they would pray instead of seeking medical help.

Jeff Vella Leone's picture
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Nordic Fox's picture
Entirely, completely,

Entirely, completely, somewhat angrily agree!

I'm going to school to be a nurse, actually. And if there was divine intervention at all, then I wouldn't have to spend THOUSANDS of dollars to learn the skills, science and practice that is required to help sick, injured, dying, or mentally ill people. I'd just need a pat on the back from a priest and I'd be golden.

The reality is that doctors, nurses, even clerical staff all have to be serious about what they are doing (one secretary misprints that a patient has an allergy....) and lead to a clean, effective place of healing and aid.

Personally, I would be 100% for a bill saying that if people wish to leave their medical care up to their clergy, we should let them. 100%, no medicine clergy-aided healing. Eventually, everyone would be going to hospitals, and nobody would ever go for 'faith healing' again. If glob cured your cancer, you don't need chemotherapy! If glob cured your bacterial infection, you don't need antibiotics!

I absolutely despise that doctor that came back from Africa claiming 'glob cured my ebola'.... Yeah, sure! And NONE of the round-the-clock work of other doctors, blood transfusions and careful monitoring helped, at all.

I don't get it. People need comfort, sure. But is it so hard to believe that someone with some expertise saved your life? I know I'm beating a dead horse though, you seem to be the same mindset as me haha!

Lastly, if anyone ever tries to tell me that they 'heard glob telling them to come back', I will readily remind people that even when comatose people think, can dream, and can hear/smell/taste at times as the brain attempts to wake up again. So usually, it's people talking that lead them to assume some 'divine being' spoke to them, when really they heard the desperate plea of someone asking them to come back.

...People. They frustrate me lol

Jeff Vella Leone's picture
Yea I agree;

Yea I agree;

Sam Harris also points out that whoever claims to have been healed by god or prayer is committing an inhuman act of not caring sufficiently about the welfare of others.

Considering all the children that die every second in the world, this kind of reasoning is obscene.

The lack of reasoning honestly with regards to the facts. The perfection of Narcissism.
(God loves ME)

This debate i think is one of his best vs WLC:
@19:50 he focuses on the morality of the theistic framework, though i suggest u start it from 19:00.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8FRqMK8OOY

Kataclismic's picture
I have a life-threatening

I have a life-threatening condition (insulin-dependent diabetes) which means my immune system has destroyed the cells in my body that produces the insulin I need to metabolize my meals. It is only because of the invention of rDNA insulin in 1950 that I'm still alive. My mother likes to tell me about her prayers and how she is convinced that god answers her. Now I haven't yet, but one day I'm going to ask her if she has ever prayed for me to produce insulin. Because when I have a critically low glucose and wake up to paramedics over me trying to bring me around it's obvious that god doesn't give two sh!ts about me, otherwise these strange people wouldn't need to be in my house.

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