Introducing: Rohan's Razor

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Rohan M.'s picture
Introducing: Rohan's Razor

Hi all,

I think that many of you may already know about this little logical razor that I have derived from some of my comments, but I thought I'd share it with y'all in it's own OP, and see what you make of it:

Any religious argument that is structured in such a way that it requires one to already believe in a particular God(s) and see everything through the lens of a particular faith to begin with in order to appear even remotely sound (and thus exists merely to reinforce rather than actually convince) requires no further serious consideration, and is deemed to automatically fall flat.

In short, it basically says that you should not use circular reasoning when trying to defend a position, as it would only serve as nothing more than a shield for the already-convinced from that scary, dreaded doubt.

What are some other razors that you have come up with?

ADDENDUM 2/16/2019: After reading some of the comments on this thread about how razors are supposed to be short, I've shortened my razor:

Circular reasoning is no evidence.

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arakish's picture
Here are the ten I have

Here are the ten I have collected.

The Ten Razors:

  1. Sagan's Razor: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
  2. Hitchens's Razor: What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
  3. Arakish's Razor: NO EVIDENCE = NO EXISTENCE.
  4. Xenoview's Razor: Objective claims requires objective evidence.
  5. Randomhero1982's Razor: If it's not evidenced, it's bollocks.
  6. Cognostic's Razor: Any dweeb can make an assertion.
  7. LogicFTW's Razor: You MUST first prove your religion/claim is not a con.
  8. CyberLN's Razor: A nice vinaigrette dressing must be served with any word salad.
  9. Nyarlathotep's Razor: Homines quod muta (People is dumb).
  10. Tin-Man's Butter Knife: Any ridiculous nonsense presented will be countered with opposing ridiculous nonsense of an equal or greater amount.
  • Cognostic's Shovel: When someone starts slinging bullshit at you, get a shovel and sling it back.

Basically, a Razor should be short and sweet and straight to the point without having to use a paragraph. Just saying.

rmfr

SecularSonOfABiscuitEater's picture
@Razors are pretty much one

@Rohan Razors are pretty much one liners.

Rohan M.'s picture
Oh yeah... thanks for

Oh yeah... thanks for pointing that out. Here's my shortened version:

Circular reasoning is no evidence.

SecularSonOfABiscuitEater's picture
As a matter of fact, if there

As a matter of fact, if there's a razor bargain sale going on then I want one too. @Arakish is there room for an 11th razor?

arakish's picture
Just checked my database, I

Just checked my database, I can still store up 65,536 Razors. Bring it on. Can always use a new one.

rmfr

LogicFTW's picture
Sounds good Rohan, now we

Sounds good Rohan, now we gotta figure out how to get it down to a single sentence.

Another razor idea from me, still in rough draft:

Reality does not care what you believe. Does your belief pass the reality check?

Rohan M.'s picture
@LogicFTW Awesome! Sounds

@LogicFTW Awesome! Sounds excellent.

arakish's picture
I just remembered one from

I just remembered one from one of my favorite authors.

Philip K. Dick's Razor: Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

rmfr

arakish's picture
@ LogicFTW

@ LogicFTW

Had a thought on your new one.

Original: Reality does not care what you believe. Does your belief pass the reality check?

My Screw Up: Reality does not care what you believe. Can your belief become reality?

As said, just a screwy thought that came to mind.

rmfr

LogicFTW's picture
@arakish

@arakish
I like both, I will have it rattle around in my head for a bit see how I can improve upon it. Someone else can improve upon it and claim it as their own as well.

Cognostic's picture
Circular arguments don't need

Circular arguments don't need a razor, they're going nowhere.

Rohan M.'s picture
Oh yeah... all you have to do

Oh yeah... all you have to do is spin the wheel of power, and circular reasoning will be exposed... but the reason why I made this razor is that if you really dig deep, you'll find that nearly all of the religious apologetic arguments ultimately boil down to circular reasoning.

gupsphoo's picture
Circular reason is certainly

Circular reason is certainly not a valid argument.

However, I would go a step further to say, even a valid argument is still not evidence. It's just an argument.

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