The Perfect Ideal World Created By Science

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The Perfect Ideal World Created By Science

The world of religion (there being a God and an afterlife in which you experience eternal joy and no suffering) might actually become a reality here on Earth through science. When science has achieved absolute perfection many years from now, we will live in a world where all illnesses have been cured, we no longer have problems and negative emotions, and we might even have an artificially created God that can look after us, or even an artificial afterlife.

Now evolution has designed our brains to experience negative emotions. However, this fight or flight response is primitive (which is the reason why so many people have depression and anxiety disorders) and needs to be updated through science. Therefore, instead of having brains that evolution designed for us, we can instead choose to have brains how we want them to be through science. Therefore, we can even choose to have brains that no longer experience negative emotion or even brains that have a much higher capacity to experience pleasure in life than that of any normal human brain.

But this life as it is now and how it designed us sort of says the message to us: "We are insignificant creatures only designed for survival and to forever die in the end with no grand purpose. We are not meant to live a life of perfect joy and freedom and are designed to practically be slaves of our own negative emotional responses to life's struggles. And if a problem does happen in your life, well you are just going to have to live with and deal with it. And that even goes for any negative emotional responses you might have to these problems."

Now most atheists would adopt and accept this message of life. But I find it utterly degrading and inferior to who I am as a person. We as human beings are superior and this message of life is what is inferior and deserves to be eradicated through science. And science says so because it is trying to solve problems and achieve a life that is perfect and such with no problems. We as human beings with our human desires to achieve a perfect life with joy and such are trying to eradicate this inhuman message of life through science.

Most atheists would think that we are insignificant and don't deserve a life free of struggles. But that right there is an inhuman message that goes against who I am as a human being. Look at the worst suffering in this world and tell me that we don't deserve a life that is perfect with no problems with perfect enjoyment.

In conclusion, I wish to know if my post sort of changed your views as an atheist (not in terms of being someone who is more religious), but in other ways? If so or if not, could you explain why?

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Ellie Harris's picture
I'm sorry but I can't ignore

I'm sorry but I can't ignore reality enough to think that we clever apes will ever be perfect. But I do want us to keep trying to push forward, to be better, to strive.

CyberLN's picture
Deserve a life that is

Deserve a life that is perfect? Deserve? Why?

We as humans are superior? Superior to what? What qualifies us as superior?

Fight or flight is still extremely usefull! You refer to 'negative' emotions...which ones are those?

You asked if your post changed my views. No, it did not. I see our (and every other living thing's) ability to manipulate our bodies and environment as a part of our evolution. We evolved the ability to do so, just as we evolved eyes or fingernails. Being able to see or scratch an itch is inextricably linked to that very evolution. What we are and what we do, who we will become and what we will accomplish IS evolution.

Mozart Link's picture
Now we do have a sense of

Now we do have a sense of worth towards ourselves and others hence the reason why we care and help others and such in the first place. And that itself is worth something. So perceiving someone as being worthy is definitely worth something in this case. Therefore, to take this perception to the absolute extreme in saying that this person is worthy of a perfect life and immortality is the best sense of worth you can have. To say that we are not worthy of a perfect life and immortality is only demeaning our self-worth.

To me, just the act of perceiving someone as not worthy of a perfect life of immortality is, in fact, having a lesser sense of human value and worth no matter how much value and worth you have otherwise. Because if you had the best possible sense of value and worth possible, you would obviously view yourself and others as being worthy of these things.

CyberLN's picture
How do you define a perfect

How do you define a perfect life?

And, btw, mortality is precisely why I value life.

Capt.Bobfm's picture
What is "Perfect?"

What is "Perfect?"
What you perceive as perfect others most likely don't.
You are missing the point.
You don't understand evolution.
Go read a book other than the bible !
"Nobody ever got ahead by patting themselves on the back."

Mozart Link's picture
The logical (true explanation

The logical (true explanation) of perfect is there being nothing wrong (no problems in your life) and having nothing wrong with your lifespan (living forever). This is the explanation I have just given. And it is also logical (true) that we should view ourselves and others as worthy of having a perfect life with immortality. As far as not getting anywhere in life through having an elevated sense of worth, it all depends on how you use it. If you use it to become lazy and not do anything, then you will get nowhere in life. But if you use it to motivate yourself even further and obtain an even further sense of worth (a positive vicious cycle), then you will get far in life.

CyberLN's picture
If everything is perfect,

If everything is perfect, what is the motivation?

Mozart Link's picture
Now let me just say this in

Now let me just say this in conclusion which is that for anyone who has a normal pleasurable life, it might seem to that person that a perfect life of pleasure and immortality might devalue any worth that life and pleasure have. But for someone who has one of the worst lives with severe chronic depression, then having the perfect life of pleasure with immortality would likely mean everything to this person and there would be nothing wrong with it. This would be my case as I have chronic depression.

CyberLN's picture
Mozart, I'm really sorry that

Mozart, I'm really sorry that you suffer from chronic depression. It sucks. Been there. Have you sought a medical diagnosis and medical care for it?

Anurraagg Kumar's picture
Wanting a perfect world/life

Wanting a perfect world/life is like asking for the best wine and the best cake (do people eat cake with wine?) when you are naked, dirty, homeless, sick, enslaved etcetera all at the same time. I mean, aren't there half a million other things we have to fix before we can think of perfection? Forget about all of us wanting and working for perfection - half the world probably thinks the other half should be dead. I don't see that getting fixed anytime soon, definitely not in my lifetime. Also as Capt. said - the best wine and best cake are not the same for everyone.

What I believe we should strive for is education and opportunity for all. Let everyone be whatever they wish to be. That would be pretty close to perfection if not perfection itself and at least one of the few good iterations of the idea of perfection. (I once read a SF (speculative fiction) short where we live in a perfect muslim world. Not really nice for any non-muslim. Something like a modernised pro-slavery civilization. Don't recall the name. How about skimming through the manifesto of the Norwegian guy that killed 70 something people on an island?) A perfect life for you chosen by someone else is almost always anything but that.

Lmale's picture
Were nothing more than an

Were nothing more than an animal that got lucky the challenges facing our ancesters werre just right to produce us. Were still animals. We should never forget that.

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