Allah is ENERGY

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comoke1024's picture
I accept that energy exists.

I accept that energy exists. I do not accept that Allah is equivalent to energy. Please demonstrate this. If you intend to use the Quran to do so, please then demonstrate why we should accept anything the Quran says.

Even if you do prove that Allah is energy, I don't see where that gets us. I don't worship energy, and I don't let energy command me, I don't worry about offending energy, and I don't seek the approval of energy, nor do I worry about whether it will decide to reward or punish me. If you are saying the Allah is no more or less than energy, it is unreasonable to have a religion built around him as I don't know of anyone who worships energy. If you claim that he has additional attributes, consciousness, omnipotence, goodness, etc. then he is clearly not energy and trying to limit him by saying he is nothing but energy sounds like it would be fairly insulting to Allah.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ S Kevin

@ S Kevin

He has already admitted that Allah is a Wombat that lives in my garden (see above)....( his name is Walter not Allah) . Did you know that apart from Matheism wombats are the densest (as in material) animal in the world...true dat...

So in terms of insult to Allah I reckon Matheism would be sliced diced and torn into pieces in most muslim countries if he tried telling them Allah was in fact a wombat...if they even knew what one was.

comoke1024's picture
@Old Man nice factoid there.

@Old Man nice factoid there. I learn quite a bit from atheists :)

I think as long as Matheism doesn't try to draw Walter, there's a chance he could talk himself out of being executed.

Matheist's picture
That is the issue:

@Skeptical KevinI accept that energy exists. I do not accept that Allah is equivalent to energy.

That is the issue:

http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/allah-energy?page=3#co...
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Why is it wrong to pronounce an "orange" (~ Energy) as "narandžasta (~ Allah)"?

Bigotry? Racism? Delusional? Other issues?
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Reality: "orange" AND "narandžasta" are THE SAME

Fantasy: "orange" AND "narandžasta" are NOT THE SAME
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http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/allah-energy?page=3#co...

Cognostic's picture
Yes yes You have convinced me

Yes yes You have convinced me. Allah is energy. I went to the store just a moment ago and bout two batteries full of Allah for my gay friend's vibrator. I can not imagine what he is going to do with Allah but I bet you would not approve.

Randomhero1982's picture
If we can just rename shit to

If we can just rename shit to suit a narrative, I propose oxygen is now called Bob.

Cognostic's picture
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ROFLMAO - You have to give us a warning when you post a "funny." I'm sorry I didn't think if it first.

Allah - Energy
Oxygen - Bob
Space - Diane (We don't want to be sexist)
Matter - Cheryl
Nature - Fred (But he is Gay and likes to be called "mother.")

Matheist's picture
This is the Third Part:

This is the Third Part:

FIRST PART: THE REALITY

1. Allah is Energy
2. Everything is Energy
3. There is no reality but Energy

SECOND PART: THE VALUE

1. He made all gods same god (Quran 38:5)
2. My argument: "orange" (~ Energy) AND "narandžasta" (~ Allah) are THE SAME
3. Your argument: "orange" (~ Energy) AND "narandžasta" (~ Allah) are NOT THE SAME

THIRD PART: THE KNOWLEDGE

What is MIND / CONSCIOUSNESS?

Are dreams real?

Can our senses be trusted?

If the brain lied to you in dreams, what makes you think the brain is not lying to you in this reality?

What is the difference between opinion, knowledge, and wisdom for this reality?

WHO CONTROLS HEARING AND SIGHT? (QURAN 10:31)

Who?

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David Killens's picture
@Matheist

@Matheist

"1. Allah is Energy"

I suggest you learn what a null hypothesis is. Basically, until you can provide a logical connection between two points, it does not exist. You have repeatedly stated that allah is energy.

Let us move away from energy, most of us understand it's broad principles. What you need to demonstrate is 1) allah exists and 2) the connection between allah and energy.

Matheist's picture
Forget about Allah... can we

Forget about Allah... can we agree energy exists?

A. Yes
B. No

A or B?

"Bigots seldom recognize themselves"

David Killens's picture
Look in the mirror

Look in the mirror

Randomhero1982's picture
Stop with the apologetic

Stop with the apologetic drivel.

We've all accepted energy exists and demonstrated it is not everything though... I.e. in cosmology... fields, radiation ...

Now answer our questions, prove Allah exists and demonstrate objectively how he is energy.

As Mr Killens eloquently put it, you need to understand null hypothesis.

You have not even demonstrated that Allah is even a thing, you've simply renamed a phenomena.

Matheist's picture
Then there is no issue at all

We've all accepted energy exists

Then there is no issue at all.

It is merely "bigotry issue", and which is not an issue

but delusional mind. The religious mind.

http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/allah-energy?page=3#co...

SECOND PART: THE VALUE

1. He made all gods same god (Quran 38:5)
2. My argument: "orange" (~ Energy) AND "narandžasta" (~ Allah) are THE SAME
3. Your argument: "orange" (~ Energy) AND "narandžasta" (~ Allah) are NOT THE SAME

Randomhero1982's picture
Well if you don't see the

Well if you don't see the obvious issue with your entire arguement then you are a lost cause.

And there is no bigotry here, the issue is that you are either being deliberately intellectually dishonest, or you're an idiot.

Let's review your argument one more final time...

1. Energy exists. (Yep!)

2. Everything is Energy. (Nope, but go on)

3. Ancient people call that Energy as Light (And yet not all energy us light, so this is pointless)

4. I call that Energy as Allah. (You can call it whatever you like, makes no difference it's just energy)

5. These people call Energy

Can you see how point 3 and 4 are just the very heights of dip-shittery?

At point 4, you can literally call energy anything and has as little a value as you calling it Allah.

This is why your argument is bollocks.

Matheist's picture
@Randomhero19823. Ancient

@Randomhero19823. Ancient people call that Energy as Light (And yet not all energy us light, so this is pointless)

ancient people used symbolic and metaphoric language...

they even carved these symbols on stones, walls, trees etc and for preserving these messages

the main point is, it refers to "energy"

The metaphor of His Light is that of... (Quran 24:35)

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@Randomhero19824. I call that Energy as Allah. (You can call it whatever you like, makes no difference it's just energy)

Therefore, it is a bigotry issue from a religious mind / brainwashed mind.

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@Randomhero1982This is why your argument is bollocks.

This is why you are brainwashed and deluded.

1. delusional. characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality (nature) or rational argument (logic), typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

2. Insanity. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy (unnature) from reality (nature).

Reality: "orange" AND "narandžasta" are THE SAME

Fantasy: "orange" AND "narandžasta" are NOT THE SAME

Which of you is mad/BRAINWASHED? (Quran 68:6)

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@Matheist

@Matheist

"Reality: "orange" AND "narandžasta" are THE SAME

Fantasy: "orange" AND "narandžasta" are NOT THE SAME

Which of you is mad/BRAINWASHED? (Quran 68:6)"

You have repeated this same crap many times. You have still failed to offer an explanation, and definitely zero proof.

As Einstein stated when asked to define insanity he stated "it is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. "

You say the same crap over and over and over ......... do you truly expect different results?

Cognostic's picture
Oh FUCK! A new cast of

Oh FUCK! A new cast of characters.
Fields are "Balloons"
Radiation is "Kermit"
Objectivly is "Marry Poppins"
The Null Hypothesis is "Boo Boo"
Demonstration is "Orange"

WE MAY AS WELL GET THE REST OF THE WORDS IN THIS THREAD
Consciousness - Honey Boo Boo
Executed - The Big No Return
Racism - Lincoln
Bigotry - Egg Plant
Demonstration - Egg Nogg
Skeptic - Tommy
Fantasy - Horse Piss

Cognostic's picture
One day Honey BooBoo found

One day Honey BooBoo found herself in a big balloon of static energy. The Energy was formed on the depths of empty Diane and it made Bob and it was Bob. The Energy then became Cheryl, Kermit, and Fred just to Orange its' power. But the Egg Nogg Atheists were too Lincolnish, Egg Planted, and Tommy. The Atheists lived in Horse Piss because they believed in Marry Poppins and the BooBoo.

So much more clear this way!!! (Cog's Shovel)

Matheist's picture
“The real hopeless victims of

“The real hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal. "Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does." They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal society is a measure of their mental sickness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted.”

― Aldous Huxley, Brave New World Revisited

NO GOD = He made all gods same god. (Quran 38:5)

This is certainly strange!! Their leaders went off saying, ´Carry on as you are! Hold fast to your gods. This is clearly something planned. We have not heard of this in the old religion. This is merely something contrived. (Quran 38:5-8)

Cognostic's picture
Unfortunately for those of us

Unfortunately for those of us who can read, the real helpless victims of mental illness have been drawn to this site like moths to a glorious light. And like the moths, also lucky for us, they seem to die off quickly when they get too close.

David Killens's picture
Do you see what is happening

Do you see what is happening here Matheist? You started out with a claim you failed to prove. And when pressed, now you are basically hurling insults around.

If you were an honest person you would state that you can not prove allah has ever existed, and that allah is not energy. Are you honest?

Randomhero1982's picture
How do you remember to

How do you remember to breathe???

Cognostic's picture
*Huuggaaakkkaakkaggg.....

*Huuggaaakkkaakkaggg..... Fuck, Thanks for the frigging reminder. I almost offed myself. Speaking in tongues took a lot out of me. I don't know how Matheist does it. I was so confused writing my last post that I blended one of my shoes and drank it.

Randomhero1982's picture
Hahaha hes a special one...

Hahaha hes a special one...

Cognostic's picture
That's what my mommy used to

That's what my mommy used to say when she handed me my lunch and strapped the little red helmet to my head. "You're a special one." Then I would run down the path, trying not to drool on the sidewalk, as I hopped onto the little yellow bus and fastened my drool bucket to my chin strap. Momma never let me wear the drool bucket in the front of the house. Now that I have gotten older, I suspect that when she said "Special," she didn't mean it in a good way?

Matheist's picture
IF No God

IF No God

THEN live your life as if there is no god (ANIMISM vs. THEISM & ETHICALISM)
(ie. accept all gods and all religions, He made all gods same god 38:5)

ELSE God / Religious People / Hypocrisy / religious people in disguise as an Atheist

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Allah, God, Santa Claus,

Allah, God, Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, Memnock the high Elf, Freddy Kruger, David Lo Pan... all have something in common don't they.

If you need some imaginary friend to make your life mean something then have at it.

But if you want people like atheists to accept your views or at least respect them, then you have to demonstrate their existence.

We've all asked you to prove Allah exists and you haven't... why? I wager, because you cannot do so!

Even you know, deep down... your clinging to hope that something else is there but know likely there is not.

Stop kidding yourself and stop being intellectually dishonest.

Either objectively demonstrate Allah exists or believe in him and keep it to yourself.

Because at the end of the day that is all atheists really want, shut the fuck up about it.

We don't care!

It's not important! Global warming is important, treating people equally is important, equality for women is important, taking care of children/elderly is important, being compassionate to those less well off is important.

Your imaginary friend is not!

Matheist's picture
why dont you address this

why don't you address this issue:

Reality: "orange" AND "narandžasta" are THE SAME

Fantasy: "orange" AND "narandžasta" are NOT THE SAME

http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/allah-energy?page=3#co...

rather than making an argument by repetition?

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Cognostic's picture
Why don't you make an actual

Why don't you make an actual argument and not a blind lame assertion. Butterflies are not hamsters no matter how many times you say it.

Matheist's picture
Truth has no religion.

Truth has no religion.

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