Allah is ENERGY
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And religion has Matheist; therefore, Matheist has no truth. WOE! That actually works!
Matheist: Why is Matheist an anagram for "His Teats" or "Hits Meat?"
I suppose "Team Shit" could apply. There is also "Tame This." Are you trying to tell us something?
Matheism is ANIMISM.
Animism encompasses everything from communing with spirits to Oprah's message of self-deification.
So that's you (bigotry issues) .. but not in Matheism.
We have no such issue.
In Matheism, we make all gods the same god.
1. Quranic ANIMISM
2. Atheism ANIMISM
3. Agnostic ANIMISM
4. Christian ANIMISM
5. Hindu ANIMISM
6. and so on...
We served all gods.. Truth!
Nature's God and regardless of religions and gods.
ATHEISM = reject all gods and all religions.
MATHEISM = accept all gods and all religions.
How much longer before he is removed from the site>>>>>> YAWN!
I agree Cognostic. It no longer contributes to anything resembling a productive discussion, and it is now just proselytizing and insulting.
This is Christian Animism
http://www.christiananimism.com/
so Matheism share the same god with Christian Animism.
Both East and West belong to Allah, so wherever you turn, the Face of Allah is there. (Quran 2:115)
To Allah/Energy alone belong all perfect attributes. So call on Him by these attributes. And leave alone those who deviate from the right way with respect to His attributes. (Quran 7:180)
We have iman in what has been sent down to us and what was sent down to you. Our God and your God are one and the same. We submit to Him. (Quran 29:46)
The Quaran? Ah... You mean that book that was thrown together in 1300 CE? I'm surprised anyone took that thing seriously.
Truth has no religion, so what is the issue?
REAL ISSUE: What is Truth?
So what is your Truth?
What is the Truth in Atheism?
atheism
/ˈeɪθɪɪz(ə)m/
noun
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
We have done this before. "TRUTH HAS NO RELIGION. RELIGION HAS Matheist. THEREFORE; Matheist HAS NO TRUTH. "
Let's see if he can see how shit his argument is..... a reinterpretation if you will...
1. Energy exists.
2. Everything is Energy.
3. Ancient people call that Energy as Light
4. I call that Energy as Lord Voldermort.
5. These people call Energy as..
Dave
Hulk Hogan
Brutus
Thor
Barbra Windsor
R2D2
The Predator
That is an issue for you?
How does all that harm your life?
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Religious people
Religious people in disguise as an Atheist
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I've explained this to you before but I will again,
1. Energy does exist, no problem with that!
2. Everything is energy. This isn't true but we can move on.
3. Ancient people call energy light.
Ok so first problem, yes light is energy, but not all energy is light.... this is basic physics!
So your entire arguement has broken down here.
4. I call this light Allah.
It doesnt matter what you call it, it is still energy, we can measure and test it.
It conforms to the laws of physics and nature.
Therefore Allah conforms and is not all powerful.
Really, the laws of physics and nature are your "god".
I have no issue with you or anyone believing in anything you like... hell, you can even believe your God is giant red tailed Fox called Jimbo for all I care.
The issue is your argument breaks down so it not valid, and not only that, but you still haven't demonstrated what Allah is? You've offered no objective evidence to his existence.
You've literally seen something you like and gone, yeah that'll do, I'll call it Allah.
I can look at a can of beans and say, "yeah, ill call that Billy Bob!"... that's fine but it's still a can of fucking beans until I prove its who I say it is.
The burden of proof is on whomever makes the claim, especially a ridiculous one.
#1. Energy does exist, no problem with that!
Therefore, Allah exists.
In my language.
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#2. Everything is energy. This isn't true but we can move on.
It is you who need to prove everything is not "the capacity for doing work (Energy)". It is your burden of proof.
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#3. Ancient people call energy light.
That's how it is. Written languages developed very slowly and usually started as drawings and symbols. Ideas such as energy, fear etc are hard to explain and draw, so people made symbols to represent these ideas. Eventually ancient people developed a symbol-based writing system.
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#Ok so first problem, yes light is energy, but not all energy is light.... this is basic physics!
There is no issue in this, and I've said it is methaporic. That's how ancient people describe Energy, and how Nikola Tesla describe Energy;
"Everything is the Light" ~ Tesla
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#4. I call this light Allah. It doesnt matter what you call it, it is still energy, we can measure and test it. It conforms to the laws of physics and nature. Therefore Allah conforms and is not all powerful.
You only measure the "transformation of Energy (Light upon Light. 24:35)", not the "ONE ENERGY". The Energy of everything is "1" (Oneness).
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#Really, the laws of physics and nature are your "god". I have no issue with you or anyone believing in anything you like... hell, you can even believe your God is giant red tailed Fox called Jimbo for all I care.
I see some improvement here. Good job.
#The issue is your argument breaks down so it not valid, and not only that, but you still haven't demonstrated what Allah is? You've offered no objective evidence to his existence. You've literally seen something you like and gone, yeah that'll do, I'll call it Allah. I can look at a can of beans and say, "yeah, ill call that Billy Bob!"... that's fine but it's still a can of fucking beans until I prove its who I say it is. The burden of proof is on whomever makes the claim, especially a ridiculous one
Welcome to the world of ANIMISM
Animism (from Latin anima, "breath, spirit, life, [ENERGY]") is the religious belief that objects, places and creatures all possess a distinct spiritual essence [ENERGY/SPIRIT]. Potentially, animism perceives all things—animals, plants, rocks, rivers, weather systems, human handiwork and perhaps even words—as animated and alive. Animism is used in the anthropology of religion as a term for the belief system of many indigenous peoples, especially in contrast to the relatively more recent development of organised religions.; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism
When he came to the Fire he was called: "O Moses. I (FIRE) am ALLAH!" (Quran 20:13)
There is no reality but ALLAH/ENERGY/SPIRIT.
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Please tell me that this is not the best you've got?!
Is this it?
This is your proof of Allah?
I've already told you, in cosmology, fields and radiation are not energy and are separate entities.
To claim others have the burden of proof when you make the claim is a logical fallacy.
You should know this.
Now please do tell me...
What is your best evidence for the existence of Allah?
#I've already told you, in cosmology, fields and radiation are not energy and are separate entities.
Therefore, please prove it is NOT "THE CAPACITY FOR DOING WORK (ENERGY)".
How can you identify such a thing if "it is not the capacity for doing work"?
That is your burden of proof.
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#What is your best evidence for the existence of Allah?
You agree Energy exists.
Therefore, I have prove my point.
You said: #1. Energy does exist, no problem with that!
I said: Therefore, Allah exists.
Firstly as Nyar said, energy is a scalar, you're using the term to broadly!
Secondly, it is far too simplistic to say that everything is only made of energy, you have separate entities such as fields... in which they can carry energy but aren't really made of energy themselves.
So everything is more likely made of fields of which some carry energy like velocity or temperature.
No, you are wrong.
I agree that energy exists as a phenomena.
You have not defined what Allah is, what he is made of etc....
If you simply refer to energy as described by physics as Allah, then you are simply rebelling a phenomena that already exists and your arguement holds no weight and is pointless.
Ahh, fond memories of Barbara Windsor. She could carry on, oops, carry a healthy pair.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrey1g-Qogg
Allah is the Light of Everything. (Quran 24:35)
Everything is the Light. ~ Tesla
He made all the light same light. (Quran 38:5)
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"He made all the light same light."
That assertion got blown to shit the moment the prism was discovered. Today, all the different wavelengths of light are an invaluable tool, from medical research to astronomy.
Matheist now has seven pages of him simply repeating himself. WTF?
Borderline spamming
Agreed, this is now descending simply on an Islamic version Sye Ten.
He cannot build a cogent arguement, provides no evidence and fails to answer questions or shifts the burden of proof.
It is you with your religious frontal lobe.
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#What is your best evidence for the existence of Allah?
You agree Energy exists.
Therefore, I have prove my point.
You said: #1. Energy does exist, no problem with that!
I said: Therefore, Allah exists.
Then what is the problem?
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/allah-energy?page=5#co...
Religious people in disguise as an Atheist.
@Matheist, It is you who need to prove that Allah is not a one-eyed, one-horned, flying purple people eater who is in my yard yelling at my neighbor's dogs right now.
This is your burden of proof.
That's how you sound to us.
@Skeptical Kevin
There is no such thing...
Show me it is from the Quran.
Claim + Reason + Evidence
What verse?
@Matheist,
"There is no such thing..."
I have provided as much objective proof for the existence of a one-eyed, one-horned, flying purple people eater as you have for Allah. You have a 1500 year old book, I have a very catchy song.
"Show me it is from the Quran.
Claim + Reason + Evidence
What verse?"
This is why we are so argumentative with you. Let me say it again for the people in the back.
-Just because something is in your Quran does not mean it exists.
-Just because something is not in your Quran does not mean it does not exist.
This is your burden of proof. You keep referring back to the Quran, but so far you have failed to give us any reason to believe anything in it is true. I'm asking you, up front, honestly:
Why should I believe anything the Quran says?
Are you going to show the verse and prove your argument or not?
I have no reason to believe any holy book is true, so providing a verse from the Quran would be hypocritical. Are you going to provide evidence that the Quran is true?
Fine.
Then please define Allah?
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