Are there pro-life atheists here?

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Diotrephes's picture
Cognostic,

Cognostic,

"A woman who uses abortion as a means of birth control is obviously having issues with her own quality of life; prostitute, drug addict, mental deficiency, unlucky enough to be raped over and over and over."

This source material is several years old but do all of the women who have abortions fit into your criteria?

World Leaders in Abortion: Top 10 Countries
https://lozierinstitute.org/world-leaders-in-abortion-top-10-countries/

Maybe women are more likely to get abortions where they have access to providers and where the procedure is legal.

This link presents the data by geographical areas around the world so each section includes multiple countries = https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/abortion-around-the-world-where-are-rat...

When you compare the information from the two sources you can see that you can get data to support whatever position and agenda you want to push.

More relevant questions might be:

1. Are abortions beneficial to women who have them?
2. What are the effects of abortions upon the couples who experience them?
3. Do abortions have negative or positive benefits on the particular national society?
4. Does the pregnancy belong to the woman or to the nation?
5. If you child grew up and became a mass murderer and even killed some of your own family members would you regret not having aborted him? Of course you have no idea how your rugrat will eventually turn out but it is a good question to ponder. Some guys have said that they would not have aborted Hitler = https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ben-shapiro-anti-abortion-pro-life-... === https://www.cnn.com/2015/11/11/politics/ben-carson-would-not-abort-baby-...

Cognostic's picture
Complete non-sequitur to what

Complete non-sequitur to what I said. "If a woman is using abortion as birth control." It is not health,. Something is wrong.

SeniorCitizen007's picture
My (now-ex) wife had had FIVE

My (now-ex) wife had had FIVE abortions prior to taking up with me ... and, believe it or not, her mother had also had FIVE abortions prior to giving birth to her. They got repeatedly pregnant because they craved alcohol when they were ovulating, during their "fertile window".

Diotrephes's picture
SeniorCitizen007,

SeniorCitizen007,

"They got repeatedly pregnant because they craved alcohol when they were ovulating, during their "fertile window"."

People seem to forget that humans are just basically common animals who display normal animal behaviors. That includes sexual activities.

arakish's picture
I have only one solution.

I have only one solution. Kill ALL Religious Absolutists and let their deities sort out their bullshit. ;-P

rmfr

CyberLN's picture
I’m going to point out

I’m going to point out another term to which I take exception. Throughout this, and other strings about abortion, folks frequently refer to a pregnant woman as ‘the mother’. Like the term ‘pro-life’, I think this is one more subtle but weighty misnomer. It presumes that pregnancy equals motherhood. It smells of guilt mongering.

A pregnant woman is not, imo, a mother unless she has agreed to, and participates in, raising a child. It takes active participation in child-rearing to have earned the title of ‘mother’. Merely having a zygote in one’s uterus does not equal motherhood.

Stone Jade's picture
*snaps* ^^^

*snaps* ^^^

Sheldon's picture
First Joc and his religious

First Joc and his religious pals insist their deity gave everyone free will, now he insists that people do as he and his religious pals tell them, they're not very consistent are they?

If we all have free will from your god who are you to take that away?

Sapporo's picture
I don't like suicide either,

I don't like suicide either, but I don't think it should be illegal.

It would be nonsensical to allow people to kill themselves but not even permit them to have control over their own body. What you gonna do, charge a pregnant woman with attempted murder for staving themselves?

If you think abortion should be illegal because you believe it causes pain, then that is a point worthy of investigation and discussion.

arakish's picture
Aborticidal - the killing of

Aborticidal - the killing of an unborn fetus, an abortifacient.
Abortifacient: Causing abortion.
Numbers 5:21-22
Hosea 9:11-16
Hosea 13:16

If the god of the Bible is OK with it, then what is the problem?

rmfr

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Arakish

@ Arakish

My point exactly....which JoC decided was "irrelevant" to the OP...as he has an agenda.

Sapporo's picture
I wonder if @JoC thinks that

I wonder if @JoC thinks that those who attempt suicide should be prosecuted, or whether he is "pro-suicide"?

JoC's picture
Just so you get an answer

Just so you get an answer from me, I think abortion and suicide are both morally wrong. However, I do not think that those who attempt suicide or women who get abortions should be prosecuted. They should instead receive psychological treatment or treatment of some sort.

Sapporo's picture
JoC: Just so you get an

JoC: Just so you get an answer from me, I think abortion and suicide are both morally wrong. However, I do not think that those who attempt suicide or women who get abortions should be prosecuted. They should instead receive psychological treatment or treatment of some sort.

What is your opinion of killing life in order to eat, and of torturing others?

JoC's picture
I'm fine with killing other

I'm fine with killing other living things to eat. Plants, animals, etc. I draw the line at human beings. For torture, pretty much the same thing. I would still draw the line at human beings since some might say that keeping animals in pens or cages is the same as torture and I have no problem doing that.

Sapporo's picture
JoC: I'm fine with killing

JoC: I'm fine with killing other living things to eat. Plants, animals, etc. I draw the line at human beings. For torture, pretty much the same thing. I would still draw the line at human beings since some might say that keeping animals in pens or cages is the same as torture and I have no problem doing that.

So, when it comes to most things, you are not in fact "pro-life"?

Are you "pro-war"? Perhaps you understand what I mean when I say "I don't think I've ever met a person who liked abortion." - it is difficult for me to even imagine that people would "like" extinguishing life, although of course, such people exist, and I doubt that most people would have much concern about extinguishing the life of a daffodil.

The Christian god killed millions of humans and promises the eternal torture of most of humanity according to its dogma.

JoC's picture
Now, we’re going into

Now, we’re going into semantics and going into off tangent topics from our original one. When people say “pro-life” they generally mean they are for defending the life of the unborn, which generally is only limited to unborn humans.

There are some Christians who take the pro-life moniker abd apply it literally for most things (including animals). I’m not one of those and like I said, I draw the line at humans.

When you say no one has ever liked abortion, I agree with you. The difference between extinguishing the life of the unborn human as opposed to slaughtering a pig for meat is that in one case, it involves a human.

Foe45's picture
Yeah.. leave it up to a bunch

Yeah.. leave it up to a bunch of dudes to figure out what a female should do with her co-creation..

Sapporo's picture
Foe45: Yeah.. leave it up to

Foe45: Yeah.. leave it up to a bunch of dudes to figure out what a female should do with her co-creation..

I note that this criticism didn't stop you defining "god" and what it can and cannot do.

co-creation with whom?

Foe45's picture
anyways.. it’s her body let

anyways.. it’s her body let her do with it what she pleases. I don’t tell u when to bust now do I?

Sapporo's picture
Foe45: anyways.. it’s her

Foe45: anyways.. it’s her body let her do with it what she pleases. I don’t tell u when to bust now do I?

I don't know.

Foe45's picture
Let that be the new motto for

Let that be the new motto for modern day “hatheism”

Sapporo's picture
Don't you mean hagnosticism?

Don't you mean hagnosticism?

Foe45's picture
At least agnostics KNOW they

At least agnostics KNOW they don’t know.. ahead of their time if you ask me

Sapporo's picture
Foe45: At least agnostics

Foe45: At least agnostics KNOW they don’t know.. ahead of their time if you ask me

Agnosticism is not incompatible with atheism.

Sheldon's picture
Thu, 01/24/2019 - 08:47

Thu, 01/24/2019 - 08:47 Permalink
Foe45 "At least agnostics KNOW they don’t know.. ahead of their time if you ask me"

Actually no they don't, agnosticism is the belief that nothing is known or can be known about something, in this context nothing is known or can be known about the nature or existence of a deity. Of course this would be true of all unfalsifiable claims, but I'd say it would be true of all non-existent things as well. Deities exist only as imaginary concepts, no religion offers any objective evidence for their existence.

Foe45's picture
Make a wish~~~***

Make a wish~~~***

arakish's picture
“Wish in one hand and do

Wish in one hand and do something with the other. Squeeze both hands real hard and see which one comes true.” — Prince Corwin, Chronicles of Amber

rmfr

EDIT: inserted omitted words

Randomhero1982's picture
It's an awful subject to

It's an awful subject to broach but here is my ten pence, for what it's worth....

I agree with abortion in the even the babies health/quality of life is seriously in question

I agree with abortion if the mother's health is called in to question.

I agree with abortion in extreme scenarios such as incest and rape.

I disagree when it is used as a form of birth control and so on...

The main reasons being...
1. What would constitute as life on another planet for me?

A single living cell... and therefore I feel I must apply that in this situation.

2. Having seen 4D scans of my young boys during pregnancy at roughly 24 weeks, no one can tell me they are not viable individuals.

I saw mine reacting to light, noise and a well placed ice pack by the sonographer.

This is simply my opinion and mine alone that I keep to myself.

CyberLN's picture
Random hero, I don’t

Random hero, I don’t understand how you can differentiate between a zygote caused by rape and a zygote caused by, say, recreational sex. Why is it okay to terminate one but not the other?

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