Atheism in a nutshell

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Deme3 "lol, Painting people

Demetrio: "lol, Painting people dumb is not my aim here."

Mag asks: What is your aim in this forum?

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Deme3: "lol, Painting people

Deme3: "lol, Painting people dumb is not my aim here."

Good. Because you are actually painting yourself.

rmfr

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Not only is the nut wrong, it

Not only is the nut wrong, it is a rather large nut.

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Atheism in a nutshell

@Orignal post by Deme3

Atheism in a nutshell

Well there's your problem right there, trying to take a diverse set of people in the term "atheisim" and narrow it down to a few lines to define all people that identify as atheist beyond simple "do not believe in god(s)."

if one is unhappy about this lifestyle, they would start gathering conspiracy theories and then inevitably end up an atheist.

Woah, that is a lot of assumptions there, care to back any of that up? I know lots of people that are unhappy with various religious idea, I would say a vast majority of them just pick whichever religion that they do happen to like. (Usually the same one as their parents or other important peers.)

but how do they make this claim? They would argue like "If God is so perfect, why....

You covered only a few of the arguments a few atheist make. I think asking "do you have evidence" of your assersitions is an important and fair question to ask about any subject, especially a large claim that is contrary to anything we have experienced in life. Why is it: "enough of that." to "complain" about the killings in various religions? Should we not ask that? Is it impolite? Is there a rule stating atheist should not ask those questions? (Or anyone really?)

From the point of atheism, we are living in an indifferent universe, "INDIFFERENT". This is where I ask, why do they judge, look, analyze any kind of religion on grounds of morality?

Why not? Why not examine, judge, look, analyze on grounds of morality? What is wrong with that? Just because some atheist view the universe is indifferent, why not still examine, judge and look and analyze on the grounds of morality? Are atheist suddenly not allowed to simply because a few atheist may consider the universe as indifferent?

So, I'm sorry to say, atheism is a "belief" that God doesn't exist, suicide bombing is bad, killing is bad.

What makes you the ultimate authority on this? Or any sort of authority on this at all?
Look up the word "belief" tell me if a negative of a belief is still a "belief." If you do still insist that I call you an anti santaClausist believer, an antiunicorn believer, you believe those do not exist so I get to label you as such and put you in a group where all opinions of people that do not believe in santaclaus represents the whole? Do you yet see the problem here?

Atheists are without the proof that killing is bad, suicide bombing is bad, killing a child is bad, waging wars is bad, yet these statements are one of the reasons why they are atheist, how they proof that religion is bull...

I am not an atheist for those reasons. So you are already wrong there. I imagine the same holds for many other people that identify as atheist. My proof that religion is bullshit and there is no god lies in other areas. If you want a list I will be happy to provide you one. You will not find "killing a child is bad" or your other examples anywhere in that list.

they have no proof that killing is bad.

I think everyone has proof that killing is objectively bad. It is an irreversible action one inflictions upon another that causes loss of life to the person. If you truly believe that killing is not bad, then you must objectively also think that commiting suicide is not bad. I am not suggesting you commit suicide right now, but if you think suicide is not bad, why have you not "tried it?"
 
 

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Is it me or is Logic's last

Is it me or is Logic's last sentence really inappropriate? I haven't followed the thread post-by-post but it seems blatantly dangerous to ask someone, "why have you not "tried it?" when talking about suicide.

Holy cow, Logic.

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I can edit it if you and/or

@Magnificent Beast
I can edit it if you and/or others really do think it is inappropriate. As I stated right before that line: "I am not suggesting you commit suicide right now, but if you think suicide is not bad," I certainly would not want to write anything that would be a trigger for someone on the verge of commiting suicide. If you guys think this is a possible trigger, I shall immediately edit my lines, as should you as well.

I fully admit I only have a very rudimentary idea of what a "trigger" could be for a suicidal person, I have not dealt with suicidal thoughts before and I am fully aware I could only very vaguely emphasize with a person that has dealt with suicidal thoughts.

I was just pointing out the whole part about "If you truly believe killing is not bad" (A term I think many of us can also agree is highly inappropriate.)

I am attempting to link to this person that morality can stem from one's own desire to live and succeed in life, it does not have to come from some sort of "god" idea. And that atheist obviously believe that killing is wrong, as atheist (in general) do not go around killing everyone or having zero value for life, especially their own.
 
 

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No. I for one did not view

No. I for one did not view it as a triggering statement. I knew exactly what you are saying. In fact, I might steal it to use later...

rmfr

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@Logic Re: "I can edit it if

@Logic Re: "I can edit it if you and/or others really do think it is inappropriate."

Not need to edit, dude. Looked fine to me. You were not suggesting that he or anybody else "commit suicide". You were simply asking a legit question to address and point out WHY he has not. That's the way I read it, at least.

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OH, Logic, don't mind me.

OH, Logic, don't mind me. Old Man has clearly shown me that it was perfectly fine. And he should know, right? Like he said, everyone is a grown-up around here, so if someone wants to kill themselves because of something some else posted, then that's okay, right? Free speech and all that. And clearly, as Old Man said, I am not the forum police and there are hard working Mods here.

My professional background tells me that you guys are CLUELESS about the effect your words have on other people. Don't assume that everyone here is balanced, and not having real issues. But that's on you.

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Again, I certainly do not

Again, I certainly do not wish anyone to read what I write and then commit suicide. But then I/we do not have a professional background in this stuff. All I can do is say: I am not saying anyone should commit suicide. You could look through all 1000's of posting here, I never said to anyone they should die in a fire, jump in front of a bus, etc.

I would also wonder about the responsibility of a person dealing with heavy suicide thoughts, if something as what I feel is very benign reference to suicide (in terms to someone that thinks murder is somehow.. okay.) That coming from an anonymous person on the net is triggering event, the said person, I feel also has the responsibility to NOT be on the internet. There is far worse on the net. Anyone could make an account and say,(what I feel are: far worse and more triggering then what I said. What about movies and TV shows that talk about suicide? They do not even put a warning on such movies and shows frequently, and they have professional actors act it all out. Then sometimes just leave a little blurb at the end saying "if you are suicidal, there is help, call this number." If the suicidal person actually makes it all the way through the show and watches the end credits.

I even have made post I feel could be beneficial in people with suicidal thoughts to not commit suicide, like stating how various forms of suicide are awful ways to die, and frequently do not result in death, but instead a very painful and expensive trip to the hospital. And other suicide methods that carry a real risk of harming other humans and pets. All things I would consider to be strong logical points to not commit suicide but instead get professional help.
 
 

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@ MB

@ MB

Holy Cow MB, will you stop trying to be the Forum Police?

You had a go about my use of the vernacular, you have tried to tell Sheldon where and how to post, now this...please, you have a lot to contribute to the forums but pull your bleedin' head in. We are not children, we can all write and express ourselves cogently. Some members have been here for years without needing a mama figure to correct their behaviour.

Most of us are older than you admitted to be and can still shave, dress, wipe our own arses and behave the way we fucking want to behave.

Save your critiques for the mad theists that come here.

We have very able and hard working mods that can, and do, call breaches of the guidelines. We don't need an amateur.

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You are absolutely right, Old

You are absolutely right, Old Man. I've cancelled my account because I don't want to waste my time, either.

Did it ever dawn you, ever, ever, even whisper in your ear that perhaps, just perhaps, mentioning suicide in his post was a trigger for ME?? OR are you that clueless, too. I've tried it twice.

You guys are so full of it. You bark about how smart you are not to be a Theist and you can't even be aware of how your words affect others.

The reason why Old Man says there are so many trolls now, is because YOU GUYS KEEP RESPONDING TO THEM. But that's on you.

No wonder you guys have such issues. LOL my goodness, no wonder!

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I am sorry to see you go.

I am sorry to see you go. Your input was valued at least by me.

I did actually consider that you may have a history of suicide and you were upset at my words not for someone else but also possibly for yourself. But you explained to us you are a retired professional in the area of psychology and counseling. So I figured you were here talking about sometimes heavy topics and had it well handled if you did have your own issues.

I also noticed in some your postings you have a lot of anger towards specifically men. And would make sweeping statements about how all men were dumb, or stupid, or mean. I took it in stride, I assumed you were mostly being glib. But also understood there was probably some history there, a reason for the anger, but I know better then to try to guess what that is. It may be nothing at all.

You are also not the only one here that has considered suicidal thoughts, I know of some regulars that have had their own struggles. I am mostly powerless and not qualified to help anyone with suicidal thoughts, but I try to be as empathetic as I can. While I personally was never suicidal, I have had a period in my life where I went deep into nihilism. But for me I realized instead of life being pointless, life is precious, life is already short, and even in nihilism there is incredible freedom, freedom to make my own life how I see fit.
 
 

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Beautiful treatises, Logic.

Beautiful treatises, Logic. Both of them. Thanks.

rmfr

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He asked a question. ARE

He asked a question. ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION? He did not say go kill yourself. He simply asked a logical question that followed from a premise. "Holy cow, Logic." Yes, something you seem to know little about.

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I strongly suspect Logic was

I strongly suspect Logic was extrapolating,in order to argue a hypothetical point, and not asking a literal question.

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@Sheldon

@Sheldon

I strongly suspect Logic was extrapolating,in order to argue a hypothetical point, and not asking a literal question.

This is correct. And I hope as obvious to any reader as it was to Sheldon and others. I even preceded the sentence with "I am not suggesting you commit suicide right now,"

 
 

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Many theists claim that

Many theists claim that without god (or rather, their belief in god), they would have no reason to be moral. Alarmingly, @Deme3 believes in god and does not even consider the consequences of his actions.

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Deme3: Atheism in a nutshell

Ok. One paragraph at a time. Boy, this going to stank diving into this pile of shit...

One must have debated a lot with theist, but if that guy debated with an atheist, he might find they have many things in common. Atheists, after all are just a bunch of people who are unhappy with religion. It's evident that they are influenced by religion, their lifestyle and other things, and if one is unhappy about this lifestyle, they would start gathering conspiracy theories and then inevitably end up an atheist.

Nope nothing in common between me and any Religious Absolutist. Least of all you, Deme3. I am not unhappy with religion, I just find it nothing more than unsubstantiable faerie tales plagiarized from other sources, some over 1½ millenia older. Not influenced by religion either, just my common people low intelligence, as you said in an ad hominem to me. And conspiracy theories had nothing to do with me being an atheist. They make for good reading when a truly intelligent person needs a good laugh. I view conspiracy theories with the same disdain as all religion.

Atheists claim that God doesn't exist(pretty obvious), but how do they make this claim? They would argue like "If God is so perfect, why would He command someone to kill a children?, do you think killing a kid is bad?", or sometimes, "God make the eternal hell for us, to torture those who doesn't worship him, so God is so graceless, He couldn't be real" but mostly, "Do you have evidence that God exists?". They would complain about all the killings in the Bible, Quran. Not only God, Allah too, they would ask the muslims, " Your prophet Mohammed is a killer, a guy who raped and discriminated women", well, enough of that.

Please provide the evidence where any atheist "claims that God doesn't exist." Otherwise, like all Religious Absolutists, you are throwing more bullshit on that ever growing pile.

Do I think killing a child is bad? God-Damned Fucking Hell Yes!! I think it is wrong. I suppose if those schizophrenic delusional voices in your head told you it was your god commanding you to kill a child, you would probably do it. And if I was present, I would stop you from doing so and exterminate you.

As you said: "Do you have evidence that God exists?" And when are you going to provide that evidence. And remember, subjective experience is not admissible. The evidence must be objective hard empirical evidence.

"They would complain about all the killings in the Bible, Quran." And learn how to spell. It is Qu'ran. That is not the only thing I complain about. Here is my list again: You Religious Absolutists have... Murdered, Raped, Tortured, Lied, Extorted, Sacrificed, Ravaged, Swindled, Villainized, Exploited, Plundered, Abused, Coerced, Pillaged, Tormented, Harassed, Rampaged, Insulted, Endangered, Threatened, Oppressed, Persecuted, Terrorized, Suppressed, Mutilated Genitalia, Enslaved, Molested and Raped Children, Corrupted, Committed Ethnic Genocidal Cleansings, Discriminated ...in the name of God (whom itself says its name is "Jealous") for centuries around the world to spread such a theological message. But I am the one going to HELL for not believing in your bullshit?

You Religious Absolutists really need to sit down and look at what your religion truly is: The willful subjugation of one's own mind to a make-believe totalitarianistic dictator. Think about it. We are to completely surender to the most heinous, horrible, and terrifying monster to haunt humanity in all history. See God's Nastiest Turd. I know you only glanced at it. But print out that list. Read the verses listed. And THINK CRITICALLY about what is written in those verses.

Of course, all you are going to say is that I cherry-picked the worst of the Bible. Before you do, what do you think you are doing?

From the point of atheism, we are living in an indifferent universe, "INDIFFERENT". This is where I ask, why do they judge, look, analyze any kind of religion on grounds of morality? It's obvious, influenced by religion, they started to believe that killing is bad, stealing is bad, raping is bad etc. I'm gonna say this again, we are living in an indifferent universe, there was never a word such as good or bad or morality, only the laws of physics. So that means you can kill people whenever you want? Yepsolutey, how is dipping a metallic element in a bunch of carbon compounds bad? How is carrying a suicide bomb, and then start the chemical reaction in the bunch of carbon com... bad? I'll tell you what, there's nothing such as bad, it's just a "happening", a minor minor change in the vast vast universe(s).

We are living in an indifferent universe. The universe does not give a damn whether you exist or not. In fact, the universe does not give a damn whether our planet exists or not. 7734, for all we know, our doom could be heading straight for us in the form of asteroid 11km in radius. Know what an asteroid would do of that size? First, it would definitely eradicate the entire human species. Very little life would survive. But I do not worry about it. There is nothing we could do to stop it. Especially, if the asteroid were in an orbit perpendicular to the ecliptic.

On the obverse side of the coin, us humans do give a damn about our existence. We also found strength in numbers, thus came our social behaviors. Positive reinforcement of these behaviors came about from being able to defend ourselves from other animals that hunted us. And eventually, we bacame the hunters. A society that believes there is nothing wrong with killing each other becomes extinct. A society that believes helping and aiding others survives. Thus, your idiotic and retarded assumption of "dipping a metallic element in a bunch of carbon compounds is not bad" is just that. And I guarantee you completely believe in William Lane Craig's Divine Command Morality. That makes both of you the sickest sociopathic and psychopathic need-to-be-exterminated pieces of human filth that you are.

So, I'm sorry to say, atheism is a "belief" that God doesn't exist, suicide bombing is bad, killing is bad.

Atheism is NOT a belief. Atheism is the LACK of belief. Look it up you Homo inscius.

"Atheists are without the proof that killing is bad, suicide bombing is bad, killing a child is bad, waging wars is bad, yet these statements are one of the reasons why they are atheist, how they proof that religion is bull..."

Just like you are without the proof that is good. Except in the Divine Command Morality.

So, why do they keep on saying that suicide bombing.... is bad? They came up with a new morality with their three pound brain (which they derive from religion), to convince people that these stuffs are bad, even though there are no proofs for such statement. They would probably limit themselves.

Our brains do not derive from religion. You must have miserably failed Biology 101 the four times you took it in high school.

Atheists should never say killing is bad to stump a religious people, suicide bombing is bad, to stump a religious people.. why? There's nothing such as good and bad, it's just what your three pound brain thinks, and they have no proof that killing is bad.

And you did get one thing correct. There is no such thing as good and bad. Remember, morality is completely and arbitrarily SUBJECTIVE. What I say is "good" or what is "bad" is entirely subjective to my thinking and knowledge. However, I have a shitload of pther persons who agree with I say is "good" or what is "bad." Thus, we have our laws garnered from those common "subjective" ways of thinking.

In fact, if it had not been for us Rationalists (you call us atheists) rising up against you Religious Absolutists, you would still be...

  • be burning us at the stack,
  • piling stones on our chest until the rib–cage collapsed,
  • tying boulders to our ankles and throwing the boulder into a deep lake,
  • making us into basketball centers on the rack,
  • flailing us with cat–of–nine–tails until we bleed to death,
  • dunking us into a deep pool of water at the end of a see–saw,
  • dragging us behind a pack animal until dead,
  • tarring and feathering us,
  • crucifying us,
  • hanging us by neck until dead,
  • amongst many, many other forms of torture...

...and still you have the gall to say we are the immoral ones for not believing in your immoral bullshit?

And if you claim that this make-believe Sky Faerie of yours gives us objective morality, then you are sadly delusional. If you say your Sky Faerie gives us objective morals, then those morals are in fact nothing more than tyrannically dictated edicts. NOT Mores.

I quit. I am going to start ranting and have filthy communication.

rmfr

Now to read other replies...

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The Effort and time that go

The Effort and time that go into the responses debunking the Bulllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll Shit is amazing. You know you are not going to get any sort of rational response in return. All you will get is Bulllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll Shit.

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@ Cognostic

@ Cognostic

Yep. But hesheitthey seem to be ignoring me. Think it was something I said?

rmfr

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When they do not respond I

When they do not respond I assume either they have not read it or they, do not have a good response. Being an optimist I assume the latter and chalk it up as a win. Even if they did not read it, that means they are not interested in the truth, and rather continue to believe their own fairy tales.

Also know that even if they are long, if I have time I try to at least scan it. I learn all kinds of great insights and new ideas from your postings and others here. Additionally I have noticed that the older the postings get, the more views they get. If someone types a very specific search query about god into google or other search engines, sometimes one of the first, if not the first result they find is a discussion from here, atheist republic debate boards. I have seen 5-6 year old threads with literally 10's of thousands of views, even though only 4-5 people (or less!) participated in the discussion. The early view counts would be mostly the people actively involved, but enormous bulk of the views of a thread once it falls off the front page are unique views. It may take a while but your words and mine, just might reach thousands of unique readers that never register, but looked up a closely related topic up online in a search engine.

 
 

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@ LogicFTW

@ LogicFTW

You took the words right of me head. I thought about posting something like what you said, but at the time I was in a good sarcastic humorous mood. Thanks for elaborating.

rmfr

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@Deme3 why do you think it is

@Deme3 why do you think it is acceptable to have sex with pigs?

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OH MY GOD! "SEX WITH PIGS"

OH MY GOD! "SEX WITH PIGS" Bestiality! How inappropriate! Oh! Oh! Oh! I can't believe you said that? Where are my Valium? Tin man! Hold my hand and fan my face! Oh Oh Oh - the inhumanity.

Oh sorry folks.... I was practicing my channeling and doing some free writing when I accidentally connected with MB's mind. I would erase the top part of this post but the white out I am smearing on the screen is having no effect at all and neither is the bleach. Oh how does this damn thing work???

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OH FFS! Every time I wonder

OH FFS! Every time I wonder in here and accidentally read the posts about sex with pigs I have to spend an hour on the phone with my sponsor. Why haven't any of you considered the fact that the words "Sex with pigs is a trigger for me." Oh Oh Oh.... I thought this was a safe place. Now my poor dog has a rash on his face from wearing the pig nose. You folks are just cruel. I may have to close my account! I think you are trying to trigger me on purpose. Sorry, I have no more time. I have to go and find my dog. He is hiding from me again. You are ruining my family!!! Assholes!

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Oh damn! I read a pig sex

Oh damn! I read a pig sex post again. That's about 500 times today. To hell with all of you. I have to go take a cold shower. And has anyone seen my dog? He has a rash on his face, a pig nose strapped to his own nose and he has lost a lot of hair on his backside. If you see him let me know. AND STOP TRIGGERING ME!!!!

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