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"Jesus interrupted" by Bart

"Jesus interrupted" by Bart Ehrman is a good book on this. He also has others. Just Google it.
The biggie for me is the resurrection accounts. Cog makes a good point about comparing the gospels.

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G'day AUS-LGBT, the bible

G'day AUS-LGBT, the bible says there is nothing new under heaven.

And just to prove that, here is a whole free book from Gutenberg Press called

"Biblical Extracts, or, The Holy Scriptures Analysed, Showing Its Contradictions, Absurdities and immoralities.", by Robert Cooper. It was published in Cincinnati, Ohio, in 1860. It is painstakingly researched and still relevant today.

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/37700

…and yet I don't think it actually covers all of the contradictions, absurdities and immoralities in the book. It was Ehrman who said that there were more contradictions in the bible than there were words.

AUS-LGBT's picture
Thanks for that :)

Thanks for that :)

arakish's picture
The Noahacian Flood Myth and

The Noahacian Flood Myth and the Exodus That Went Nowhere are my two biggies. Researched them, and other things, for over 30 years. I posted essays here. I'll have to find them. Also, you can find them at the website I put up as listed in this thread: Resources Repository.

rmfr

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Found one posted here. Dang

Found one posted here. Dang what a job to search...

Here is the specific post. Forewarning, it is LONG.

The Noahacian Flood Myth
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/proof-noah-s-flood#comment-118241

And here is the thread starting at the OP

http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/proof-noah-s-flood

The Exodus That Went Nowhere

Well, thought I posted an essay here, but can't find it if I did.

However, it is here.

rmfr

EDIT: well double dumb ass on me. The Noah essay above also includes the Exodus one.

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Thanks for that :) That's a

Thanks for that :) That's a good point

CyberLN's picture
Fabulous resources! Thanks

Fabulous resources! Thanks to all!

LogicFTW's picture
I could write a book on

I could write a book on inconsistencies on just the first page of genesis.

Unless you grant the god "concept' a "I will not question anything no matter how silly and inconsistent" the number of inconsistencies are worse than a kid in kindergarten story to his 1st grader friend, of: how he ended up with his friend's toy fire truck hidden in his backpack.

 
 

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@Logic Re: "I could write a

@Logic Re: "I could write a book on inconsistencies on just the first page of genesis."

Hell, man, I already made a Top 10 list for Miss AUS in one of her threads. And that was from just the first three chapters of Genesis. The hardest part was trying to narrow it down to just TEN. Had to skip over quite a few of the more subtle inconsistencies and contradictions. Just tried to stick with the glaring highlights, but even that took a little trimming of the list. Like I said, never even made it to chapter four.

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1. There are 2 completely

1. There are 2 completely different creation myths.

2. Modern science has disproven creationism like what, 2,385,659,382 times?!

3. We are all apparently "broken" because some lady created from a rib wanted an apple from a tree that gawd (I'll call him this just to piss people off) created, and gawd got pissed and punished her very harshly- seriously, dafuq is this shit?

4. Gawd saw humanity (which he had created) doing bad things because Eve ate the forbidden apple that gawd himself created, so he allegedly committed MASS GENOCIDE by flooding the world (where did all that water come from?) and making an old guy save 2, 12, or 17 (depending on who you ask) of everything in a giant boat; JUST IMAGINE ALL OF THE DEADLY INCEST THAT WOULD HAVE CAUSED. And also, all of the ancient civilizations that existed back then lived on, with no sign of complete extinction. The only "flood" the ancient Egyptians, for instance, experienced that year was the annual flooding of the Nile River. Also, all of the millenia-old trees that are alive today, e.g. the 4,700-year-old bristlecone pine, would've all but died due to the osmosis caused by the saltwater, the water damaging and warping their wood, the swift deep-sea currents uprooting and/or burying them completely, AND the lack of sunlight, all at once. If I were to list ALL of the counterexamples to the Global Flood, it would take a book that would probably rival the Wholly Buybull itself in terms of length.

5. Remember that thing that they said in Genesis about gawd inventing the rainbow as an apology for the mass genocide mentioned above, and as a promise to never again do such a thing? Well, I see quite a few problems in that:
* Today, the rainbow is used as a pride symbol for the LGBTQ+ community- one of the things that gawd apparently ''hates the
most.''
* In the Book of Revelations in the NT, gawd says that he will break his promise and commit YET ANOTHER GENOCIDE!!! What a jerk!

6. Oh, and speaking of Revelation... In this book, he allegedly said that he will cruelly punish all who use their critical thinking skills and didn't believe in him (e.g. us), and will even murder his "chosen ones" just so that they would know that he chose them. And after that, he will destroy this imperfect yet beautiful world, and replace it with a new perfect one- where everyone is forced to mindlessly obey him or else (sounds a lot like North Korea, doesn't it?), and where everyone lives forever (isn't death what makes life worth living, knowing that your days are numbered? So much for "perfect"...)- not to mention that they would pretty much do absolutely nothing, as there would be nothing left to do. Actually being able to do things is what makes life so awesome- again, so much for "perfect".

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How Jesus became God is

How Jesus became God is another really good YouTube video by Bhart Eherman. I recommend this one for everyone if you have not seen it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IPAKsGbqcg

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He was God. Well, not exactly

He was God. Well, not exactly... He was a human... who was also his own father... no wait, he was the son of God... and also his own father... Uhm... Wait, what are you laughing for?! BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP PERSECUTING MEEEEE! My beliefs deserve unbounded respect for some reason!

Bad Santa's picture
The Bible doesn't mention

The Bible doesn't mention Santa Clause even once!
I"m here, therefore that's inconsistency. Ergo, the Bible is wrong.

BS signing out....

arakish's picture
And Paulogia's Playlists are

And Paulogia's Playlists are superb. Especially Ham and AiG News. Many of those I get a good hearty belly laugh.

Paulogia Playlists

rmfr

Cognostic's picture
When it comes to washing

When it comes to washing hands after wiping your butt with sand ......
I like the fact that Jesus asserts, "It is not what goes into your mouth that harms you but what comes out." Obviously for a miraculous all knowing being, he knew nothing about the Germ theory of disease.

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Cognostic - The reference to

Cognostic - The reference to "unclean" is a spiritual reference, not a health one.

arakish's picture
@ mailman

@ mailman

Prove "spiritual." Proof. Evidence. Objective Hard Empirical Evidence. Otherwise, Hitchens's Razor followed by Arakish's Razor.

rmfr

Cognostic's picture
NO IT"S NOT: Read your

NO IT"S NOT: Read your frigging bible. The reference is to washing your hands before you eat. A FRIGGING JEWISH CUSTOM. Jesus specifically says, "You do not have to wash your hands before you eat because the things that go into your mouth can not hurt you." The only part of that which could possibly be construed as ("spiritual" - a word that means I don't know what the fuck I am talking about.) is the second half of the expression. "It is what comes out of the mouth that is harmful." Even getting to "spiritual" (that stupid word that ignorant people who can't even define it use) is a stretch of grand proportions. And if you plan on using vacuous concepts that are poorly defined, why not give a working definition so that you do not sound like a six year old ministering to a sock puppet?

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The custom has nothing to do

The custom has nothing to do with hygiene. It was(allegedly) part of the Oral Torah, rule and customs passed down through tradition that do not appear in the written Torah. Jesus was attacking the Pharisees for making up lots of rules and demanding that everyone follow them. Ignore Paul and the Pauline influences that appear in the Gospels and you can see Jesus as a reformer who wanted to return to a 'purer' Judaism minus all the excess baggage, a theme that appears in the Old Testament prophets as well.

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ODNT: SERIOUSLY: ARE YOU

ODNT: SERIOUSLY: ARE YOU UNABLE TO READ OR WHAT? "The custom has nothing to do with hygiene."

NOW PAY ATTENTION: (FROM THE FRIGGING VERSE IN QUESTION!!!)

" Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, (HERE IT COMES) "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands BEFORE THEY EAT!"

You are referring to ritual hand washing Jewish Mitzvah AND NOT THE VERSE IN QUESTION. Of course it is a frigging ritual for the Jews, they knew nothing about the Germ Theory of Disease. JESUS SHOULD HAVE KNOWN. It specifically discusses hand washing BEFORE EATING!!!!!!!!

Imprecise's picture
Cognostic:

Cognostic:
ODNT: SERIOUSLY: ARE YOU UNABLE TO READ OR WHAT? "The custom has nothing to do with hygiene."

NOW PAY ATTENTION: (FROM THE FRIGGING VERSE IN QUESTION!!!)

" Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, (HERE IT COMES) "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands BEFORE THEY EAT!"

You are referring to ritual hand washing Jewish Mitzvah AND NOT THE VERSE IN QUESTION. Of course it is a frigging ritual for the Jews, they knew nothing about the Germ Theory of Disease. JESUS SHOULD HAVE KNOWN. It specifically discusses hand washing BEFORE EATING!!!!!!!!

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I missed seeing this earlier.

On the contrary, I am referring to the passage in question. I suggest you read it.

Mark 7 (ESV)
1 Now when the Pharisees gathered to him, with some of the scribes who had come from Jerusalem, 2 they saw that some of his disciples ate with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed. 3 (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands properly, holding to the tradition of the elders, 4 and when they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions that they observe, such as the washing of cups and pots and copper vessels and dining couches.) 5 And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?” 6 And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,

“‘This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
7 in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.”

9 And he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition! 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’ 11 But you say, ‘If a man tells his father or his mother, “Whatever you would have gained from me is Corban”’ (that is, given to God)— 12 then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother, 13 thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

The ‘tradition of the elders’ being referred to is not a mitzvah because there is no such mitzvah. The only reference to washing in the 613 mitzvot is:

435 That the kohein shall wash his hands and feet at the time of service (Ex. 30:19
http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm

The reference Jesus is making in this passage is to the oral traditions invented by the Pharisees over time that they wanted everyone to follow. The Shammai Pharisees that were predominant at that time were totally rule-obsessive. In this passage Jesus points out that they are more concerned with their ‘tradition that you have handed down’ than with even with the most important elements of the written Torah.

The handwashing ritual consists of pouring water two (or three) times on each hand followed by a prayer.

“The tradition is unrelated to personal hygiene, and a person is still required to perform this ritual even if his or her hands are clean

The priests who performed the temple rituals were given gifts of oil, wine and wheat that could be eaten only after ritual washing. For various reasons, the ancient rabbis extended this practice to all Jews before eating meals.

Some passages in the Talmud indicate that failing to wash hands before a meal is a significant transgression. One talmudic sage even says that eating bread without washing is tantamount to having sex with a prostitute, while another says that acting contemptuously toward this ritual causes one to be uprooted from the world.”

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/hand-washing/

Tantamount to having sex with a prostitute? Defilement indeed!

This passage and some others like it are about Jesus versus the Pharisees concerning the written Torah and the complicated oral Torah being pushed on everyone by the Pharisees in their quest to be as important as the Temple-owning Sadducees.

I suggest that before you start SHOUTING any more misinformed anti-religion rants that you learn something about the subject matter. It is exactly this kind of ignorance-based claim that convinces theists that atheists are just wrong about everything and confirms the theists more strongly than ever in their beliefs.

Sky Pilot's picture
OldDogNewTricks,

OldDogNewTricks,

The Jesus character was such a hypocrite. In a previous passage he was spouting off about how big a fan he was of the Law, but subsequent passages show how he cherry picked the ones that he wanted to follow while ignoring all of the others. Notice that he didn't really answer the question but immediately went off on a tangent. His biggest lie was in claiming that he was the "son of God" when there is nothing in the fairy tale to ever suggest that Yahweh had a family or that he would have a family. Maybe he thought that he was the "son of God" because he was such a religious fanatic or maybe it was just because he was nuts. He never did anything godly so why is he worthy of being worshiped? Now if he was still wiggling on the cross...

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Dio:

Dio:
The Jesus character was such a hypocrite. In a previous passage he was spouting off about how big a fan he was of the Law, but subsequent passages show how he cherry picked the ones that he wanted to follow while ignoring all of the others. Notice that he didn't really answer the question but immediately went off on a tangent. His biggest lie was in claiming that he was the "son of God" when there is nothing in the fairy tale to ever suggest that Yahweh had a family or that he would have a family. Maybe he thought that he was the "son of God" because he was such a religious fanatic or maybe it was just because he was nuts. He never did anything godly so why is he worthy of being worshiped? Now if he was still wiggling on the cross...
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Please cite the ‘previous passage’ you are referring to. Right there in Mark 7, it can be seen that he was ‘a big fan’ of the written Torah but opposed to the rules being piled on by the Pharisees that were not in the Torah, so I do not disagree with the ‘big fan’ analysis as long as you understand the difference between the written Torah and what the Pharisees wanted people to do.

But I do need you to cite the subsequent passages where Jesus cherry picks laws from the written Torah.

The question the Pharisees and scribes asked was “Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?”

Jesus did answer the question by telling the Pharisees that their traditions had no validity because they were not only not in the Torah but sometimes even violated the Torah big time. To give a more direct answer would be to give legitimacy to the claim that they ate ‘with defiled hands’. Why do they eat with defiled hands? They DON’T eat with defiled hands! That was no tangent he went off on. It was exactly the point.

Matthew and Luke build on Mark for their own purposes. John goes off on his own trip. The only gospel that we might put any credence in as representing things that might have actually happened is Mark and even then we need to watch for Pauline influences. Nowhere in Mark is Jesus quoted as saying “I am the Son of God’. Mark calls him that at the very beginning of Mark 1 but Paul called him that first. We know Mark read Paul because he quotes from him. The demons call him that in Mark 3 but Jesus says to keep quiet about it. In Mark 8, Peter calls Jesus the Messiah and Jesus says to not tell anyone. The Son of God label and the Messiah label often go together all through the NT.

In Mark 15, when Jesus dies the centurion says “Surely this man was the Son of God” apparently related to the curtain of the Temple getting torn, as if the centurion could see both. Clearly an invention and not really relevant to anything else. The demon episode in Mark 3 likewise need not be taken seriously but it touches on an important theme.

But here is a very interesting passage.

Mark 14: 61 … Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?” 62 And Jesus said, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”

Notice the phrase ‘Son of the Blessed’ instead of ‘Son of God’. The two are equivalent but the wording actually used would be exactly the way the high priest would speak, ‘the Blessed’ being more respectful than saying ‘God’ out loud. This phrase appears often in Jewish writings. The high priest would have no notion whatsoever of what ‘Son of God’ would mean to later Christianity. Notice that the high priest equates Christ (Messiah) and Son of the Blessed. In Psalm 2, God calls David his son in a militaristic messianic context. If the Mark 14 passage represents a real event, as could be inferred from the language, the original meaning of ‘Son of God’ in the context of the Jesus story was simply ‘Messiah’ in the Jewish sense.

It would then have been Paul reinterpreting the phrase in the way Philo meant it, a pre-existent quasi-divine being. Paul then makes supernatural Jesus into the ultimate sacrifice to undo the Sin of Adam, a clever way to explain why the Messiah got killed instead of, like maybe, being the promised Messiah.

Notice that in the ‘Son of Man’ reference, Jesus seems to be speaking of someone else, not himself. Might Jesus have thought himself to be the final prophet heralding the end of days? An imminent apocalypse was part of the public imagination at the time. This apparent separation of Jesus and the Son of Man here could be another indication of this passage being something real.

So … it does not appear that Jesus ever claimed to be the literal Son of God as Paul or even Matthew meant it. At most he claimed to be the Messiah in the Jewish sense and perhaps not even that much.

Sky Pilot's picture
OldDogNewTricks,

OldDogNewTricks,

The law said that people are to honor their parents. Jesus denied his own mother as well as his brothers and sisters. And Joseph was a no-show after being hoodwinked into marrying Mary. But Joseph does get a cameo appearance, unlike Moses's daddy.

Jesus said that you should give to those who ask but he never gave anything to anyone.

The law said that you are not to have any Gods before Yahweh yet Jesus claimed to be above Yahweh.

Jesus said that if people don't kiss his butt that he will toss them into the fire. So he's claiming a lot of power by that statement as either the messiah, God, or the son of God.

According to the Jewish Babylonian Talmud the Jews claim that they, collectively, are the messiah. So either way, whether Jesus or the Jews are the messiah neither one will do anything for the Gentiles.

And don't forget 5:17-18 (CEB) = "17 “Don’t even begin to think that I have come to do away with the Law and the Prophets. I haven’t come to do away with them but to fulfill them. 18 I say to you very seriously that as long as heaven and earth exist, neither the smallest letter nor even the smallest stroke of a pen will be erased from the Law until everything there becomes a reality."

Therefore every action that he did in violation of the Law made him a hypocrite.

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Dio: The law said that people

Dio: The law said that people are to honor their parents. Jesus denied his own mother as well as his brothers and sisters. And Joseph was a no-show after being hoodwinked into marrying Mary. But Joseph does get a cameo appearance, unlike Moses's daddy.
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Joseph was just Matthew’s prop for getting Jesus to be a descendant of David. And Amram gets some mention in Exodus and Numbers.

The part in Mark 3, about ‘who is my mother, who are my brothers’ is not exactly denying is mother. It is part of a theme throughout the Synoptic Gospels that to be a literal walking down the dirt road with Jesus, one had to give up everything in one’s former life. Total commitment with no looking back was needed. If Jesus stayed home with his mother as she apparently wanted, the story would have been a lot shorter. : -)

Dio: Jesus said that you should give to those who ask but he never gave anything to anyone.
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Jesus did not have anything to give. He and his roadies had given up everything they had. Can you give any instance of Jesus being asked to give something that he had and refusing?

Dio: The law said that you are not to have any Gods before Yahweh yet Jesus claimed to be above Yahweh.
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In John, Jesus is represented as being simultaneously equivalent to God the Father and less than the Father. This is exactly the same ambiguity as is found in Philo’s Logos concept, which John is clearly using. In the Synoptic Gospels, Jesus is always subordinate to the Father. If you think Jesus said he was above Yahweh, please provide book, chapter, verse and text. No double talk please, just a for real citation.

Dio: Jesus said that if people don't kiss his butt that he will toss them into the fire. So he's claiming a lot of power by that statement as either the messiah, God, or the son of God.
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Please cite chapter and verse in the Gospels where Jesus said to kiss his butt. What we do see in the Gospels is Jesus saying to act morally. Often this is expressed as quotes from the Torah (Ex: Matthew 19:16-19) or as principles of charity derived from the Torah (Ex: Matthew 25:31-46).

Dio: According to the Jewish Babylonian Talmud the Jews claim that they, collectively, are the messiah. So either way, whether Jesus or the Jews are the messiah neither one will do anything for the Gentiles.
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Your claim about the Babylonian Talmud is utterly wrong. If you want to argue the point, cite relevant sections. Here is the Talmud online.
https://www.sefaria.org/texts/Talmud

Regardless, in the concept of the messianic age, the Messiah will rule the world in peace and there will be plenty for everyone. It is primarily about the Jewish people, but everyone who is righteous will have a share in HaOlam HaBa . This includes gentiles that follow the Noahide Laws.

Dio: And don't forget 5:17-18 (CEB) = "17 “Don’t even begin to think that I have come to do away with the Law and the Prophets. I haven’t come to do away with them but to fulfill them. 18 I say to you very seriously that as long as heaven and earth exist, neither the smallest letter nor even the smallest stroke of a pen will be erased from the Law until everything there becomes a reality."

Therefore every action that he did in violation of the Law made him a hypocrite.
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A point that Christians try really had to get away from is that Matthew was a Jewish Christian who held that Jewish Law was here to stay, as opposed to Paul who said it was obsolete and should be abandoned. In this passage, Matthew has Jesus oppose Pauline Christianity. (More to it that, but I do not want to get too far off topic.

It was only by the strict interpretation of the rule-obsessive Shammai Pharisees that Jesus was perceived to break the Law. His disciples were hungry and they pulled off some heads of grain to eat. According to rabbinical interpretation reaping is work. Whether this really counts as reaping is the question. To the Shammai Pharisees, virtually everything would be work. But keep in mind that Jesus did not believe in the oral law, only the written Torah. Justification that plucking heads of grain because you are hungry is not reaping might be found in Deuteronomy 23:25

“If you go into your neighbor's standing grain, you may pluck the ears with your hand, but you shall not put a sickle to your neighbor's standing grain.”

Using a sickle would be reaping. Plucking some grain and eating it would only be reaping to control freaks like the Shammai Pharisees.

What we really have here is Jesus being opposed to people being strangled with tons of regulations that are not in the written Torah. The only violation was in the minds of the anal retentive Shammai Pharisees, not as Jesus saw the Law.

The opposition of the Pharisees to healing on the Sabbath is very interesting. Was there really a rule that one could not heal on the Sabbath? How common was miraculous healing anyway? In the stories as presented, they are opposed to this. This strikes me as caricature, presenting the Pharisees as so wrapped up in a rule-obsessive mindset that they witness a miracle and only care about it being ‘work’.

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OldDogNewTricks,

OldDogNewTricks,

1. "Please cite chapter and verse in the Gospels where Jesus said to kiss his butt."

Matthew 7:21-27. John 15:4-7. Matthew 10:32

2. "Can you give any instance of Jesus being asked to give something that he had and refusing?"

John 12:1-8

3. "Your claim about the Babylonian Talmud is utterly wrong. If you want to argue the point, cite relevant sections.

Kethuboth 111a = "Abaye stated: We have a tradition that Babel50 will not witness the sufferings51 [that will precede the coming] of the Messiah.52 He [also] explained it53 to refer54 to Huzal55 in Benjamin which would be named56 the Corner of Safety.57"
The numbers are footnotes =
50 = [H], usually rendered 'Babylon', but v. infra notes 6 and 7.
51 = Or 'travail'.
52 = [H]; 'but the more correct reading is [H] (Moore, G.F., Judaism II 361, n. 2). [H] 'frequent in modern Christian books is fictitious' (loc. cit.). The 'sufferings' or 'travail' are more fully described in Sanh. 97b, Sonc. ed. p. 654. These are the 'throes of mother Zion which is in labor to bring forth the Messiah — without metaphor, the Jewish people' (Moore, loc. cit. text).
53 = The tradition as to the immunity of Babel.
54 = Not, as might be assumed, to the well known Babylon (cf. supra note 2).
55 = [H], a village to the north of Jerusalem between Tel Al-Ful and Nob 'the city of the priests'. It was known by many names including that of [H] (v. Horowitz, I.S., Palestine, p. 73. nn 3ff, s.v. [H]). Neubauer, (Geogr. p. 152) describes it as an old fortress in Palestine (v. Jast.). There was also a Huzal in Babylonia between Nehardea and Sura. Cf. Sanh. 19a, Sonc. ed. p. 98, n. 3 and Berliner, Beitr. z. Geogr. p. 32.
56 = [H], lit., 'and they would call it'. The pronoun according to Rashi refers to the 'days of the Messiah', but this is difficult.
57 = The noun [H] is regarded here as the Hof. of [H] 'to save'.
http://www.come-and-hear.com/kethuboth/kethuboth_111.html

4. "It was only by the strict interpretation of the rule-obsessive Shammai Pharisees that Jesus was perceived to break the Law. His disciples were hungry and they pulled off some heads of grain to eat. According to rabbinical interpretation reaping is work. Whether this really counts as reaping is the question."

You are ignoring the story in Exodus 16:14-35 about the manna. They had to collect enough of it on the 6th day so that they would have enough for the Sabbath. In Exodus 16:29 it says that on the sixth day they were to gather enough manna for the Sabbath and that they were not to go out. Moses would have had the disciples stoned to death for being too stupid to not have enough food for the Sabbath without having to gather it on the day of rest.

5. "The opposition of the Pharisees to healing on the Sabbath is very interesting. Was there really a rule that one could not heal on the Sabbath?"

The rule was that you could not do any work of any kind on the Sabbath. If you did then you would be killed.
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=work+sabbath&qs_ve...
So suppose you needed medical treatment on the Sabbath but in order to get it the doctor had to gather some sticks for a fire to boil some water. We know what happened to the guy who picked up sticks on the Sabbath. He was stoned to death. You couldn't even tie a stitch because tying a knot is work. So sorry buddy you're going to have to suffer because I don't want to get stoned to death for trying to cure what ails you.

BTW, Yeshua was a Pharisee himself since he believed in everything that the Pharisees believed in. He was just a hypocrite when it came to following the rules. Christians and muslims also believe in Pharisee beliefs but don't follow the rules.

Rohan M.'s picture
What's “spiritual” supposed

What's “spiritual” supposed to mean in this context, anyway?

Rohan M.'s picture
That's because the writers of

That's because the writers of the Buybull and the creators of God lived in a time before science knew about those things... This is proof that the Buybull is a man-made work of fiction and that its God is imaginary, because an all-knowing God would've know about those things, and wouldn't have kept them a secret from us if he knew that they would lead us to saving countless lives.

Rohan M.'s picture
The Bible has 5 different

The Bible has 5 different versions of Jesus's life. They can't all be correct...

And also, I have noticed that many of the rules in both the OT and NT are either contradictory, arbitrary, or just plain ridiculous; e.g. you can't eat shellfish (there goes oysters), get a tattoo (where the fuck did that one come from?!), eat pork (there goes bacon), play with a pig's skin (there goes football), be a "glutton" (well, RIP America), masturbate (RIP- well, pretty much everyone), wear clothing made of multiple different fabrics (again, RIP everyone), work on Sundays (that homework ain't gonna finish itself), be gay/bi/trans (that explains a lot), get a divorce (WTF?), have premarital sex (we all knew THAT one wouldn't last), think about sex (I'll bet that this was the first one off the books), etc.

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Rohan M.

Rohan M.

Many of the OT laws were given specifically to Israel...they did not apply to Gentiles. See https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-foods.html for just one example. That site will also address the other examples you gave. I recommend checking them out if you really want answers.

Here is another reason God probably likely didn't want Israel to eat Pork https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/trichinosis/symptoms-caus...

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