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Challenge for Mailman

Here is a good challenge for you.

Please post your belief as to what The Ten Commandments are.

And I am asking everyone else, please allow mailman to be the first responder.

rmfr

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Exodus 20 NKJV

Exodus 20 NKJV
1 And God spoke all these words, saying:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.

3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

13 “You shall not murder.

14 “You shall not commit adultery.

15 “You shall not steal.

16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

arakish's picture
Wrong. Try again. Read

Wrong. Try again. Read Exodus 34.

rmfr

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arakish

arakish
Exodus 34 is a covenant. On the 2nd set of tablets God wrote the 10 commandments from Ex 20, and the covenant outlined in Exodus 34.

Here is some additional commentary: https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/matthew-henry-complete/exod... (I couldn't find any atheist commentary)

algebe's picture
You forgot the one about

You forgot the one about honoring and protecting your children, and the ones forbidding rape and torture.

arakish's picture
@ mailman: "Exodus 34 is a

@ mailman: "Exodus 34 is a covenant. On the 2nd set of tablets God wrote the 10 commandments from Ex 20, and the covenant outlined in Exodus 34."

Nowhere in ALL of Exodus are any called "commandments" except the ones detailed in Exodus 34:14-28. NOWHERE! Everything else is just a diatribe by the most ruthless monster to ever attempt the enslavement of the human species. Show where it says in Exodus 20 that those are "the commandments."

Your link to an apologist article has already been read by me over 40 years ago. Before there was a WWW, apologists have been saying the same bullshit. Just because a yungun says the same bullshit from over 40 years ago, and probably for over 1500 years, does not make the bullshit smell any different. Good example. Take a pile of bullshit and throw sugar and honey on it. It still smells like bullshit.

You need to go to a secular university. Go into a scientific field so you can learn critical thinking, rational thought, analytical thought, logical reasoning, and deductive reasoning. The most important one to learn first is critical thinking.

From your writing style and web searches, I am seeing a high school kid who has never done any kind of studies into anything other than what the church has been telling to think. Remember what I said in an earlier post? It more important HOW TO THINK than to be told what to think.

Think Critically about it.

rmfr

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@arakish

@arakish

Nowhere in ALL of Exodus are any called "commandments" except the ones detailed in Exodus 34:14-28. NOWHERE! Everything else is just a diatribe by the most ruthless monster to ever attempt the enslavement of the human species. Show where it says in Exodus 20 that those are "the commandments."

4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

What is it a point of contention deal if Exodus does, or does not, refer to these 10 statements as commandments???

arakish's picture
Because the ONLY ones that

Because the ONLY ones that are called The Ten Commandments appear ONLY in Exodus 34:14-28. NOWHERE else in that diatribe are any others EVER called The Ten Commandments.

The True Ten Commandments of the Bible

Exodus 34:14-28

[1st] {14} “For you shall worship no other god; for Yahweh, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

[2nd] {15} “Don’t make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, lest they play the prostitute after their gods, and sacrifice to their gods, and one call you and you eat of his sacrifice; {16} and you take of their daughters to your sons, and their daughters play the prostitute after their gods, and make your sons play the prostitute after their gods.

[3rd] {17} “You shall make no molten idols for yourselves.

[4th] {18} “You shall keep the feast of unleavened bread. Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the time appointed in the month Abib; for in the month Abib you came out of Egypt.

[5th] {19} “All that opens the womb is mine; and all your livestock that is male, the firstborn of cow and sheep. {20} You shall redeem the firstborn of a donkey with a lamb. If you will not redeem it, then you shall break its neck. You shall redeem all the firstborn of your sons. No one shall appear before me empty.

[6th] {21} “Six days you shall work, but on the seventh day you shall rest: in plowing time and in harvest you shall rest.

[7th] {22} “You shall observe the feast of weeks with the first fruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of harvest at the year’s end. {23} Three times in the year all your males shall appear before the Lord Yahweh, the God of Israel. {24} For I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your borders; neither shall any man desire your land when you go up to appear before Yahweh, your God, three times in the year.

[8th] {25} “You shall not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread. The sacrifice of the feast of the Passover shall not be left to the morning.

[9th] {26} “You shall bring the first of the first fruits of your ground to the house of Yahweh your God.

[10th] “You shall not boil a young goat in its mother’s milk.” (WTFGDH?)

And this where they ARE actually called The Ten Commandments in the Bible… The only place anything is called The Ten Commandments...

{27} Yahweh said to Moses, “Write these words; for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”

{28} He was there with Yahweh forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread, nor drank water. He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, The Ten Commandments.

And if you still think I am wrong, then watch this video again: Ten Commandments. This is only 9m 40s long. Why cannot your apologist heroes do the same? Lack of intellect? Why must they take at least an hour or longer?

rmfr

Sky Pilot's picture
mailman,

mailman,

The apparent fact that you think that the laws in Exodus chapter 20 are the 10 Commandments indicate to me that you have never read your favorite ethnocentric Middle Eastern Jewish religious fairy tale. If you have actually read it with any comprehension you will see that the laws in Exodus chapter 20 were verbal, they were never written on the stone tablets as the Ten Commandments are reported to have been.

People believe the verbal laws in Exodus chapter 20 are the 10 Commandments because they are easy and not really that bad. However, the real 10 Commandments are ethnocentric trash that only a real delusional person would support, especially by posting them in court houses and on public property.

Now if you want to educate yourself it is easy to do. Get some blank sheets of paper and a pen. Start reading from Exodus chapter 19 and continue through Exodus chapter 34. As you read make notes of what you read in your own words. Summarize every couple of verses as needed to fully understand what the fairy tale says.

You will see that the laws in chapter 20 were verbal, they were not written on stone tablets so by definition they can not be the real 10 Commandments nor are they referred to as the 10 Commandments. You will read about Moses going up and down the mountain like a goat, sometimes taking his buddies with him to a picnic with Yahweh.

You will get to Exodus 31:18 before Yahweh gives Moses the two stone tablets, written by his finger.

In chapter 32 the local yokels need a religious fix so they have Aaron make them an image of an Egyptian deity. Yahweh gets super pissed and wants to go one one of his killing sprees. Moses tells him to chill and to let him do the killing. So Moses lugs the stone tablets down the mountain, sees the people exercising freedom of religion, smashes the stone tablets, listens to Aaron's whining, and then gets his thugs to kill about 3,000 people who had just experienced first hand all of the miracles described earlier.

In chapter 33 Yahweh tells Moses to hit the road to the promised land and speaks to him face to face.

In chapter 34 Yahweh tells Moses to chip out two new stone tablets and to lug them up the mountain. Moses jumps to it and spends 40 days and 40 nights (his routine vacation without any food or water) on the mountain while Yahweh wrote out the Ten Commandments (Exodus 34:28).

The First Commandment, which everyone throughout history follows, is to invade other people's land, destroy their religious artifacts, and do some ethnic cleansing.

The 7th Commandment is that all of the Israelite men (women stay home) had to appear before Yahweh. Do you follow that or the Feast of Unleavened Bread (the 3rd) or the Feast of Weeks (the 6th)? Did you redeem the first born of your donkey with a lamb and if you didn't, did you break its neck (the 4th)? And stop boiling young goats in their mother's milk (the 10th).

Now if you don't want to read the fairy tale for yourself you can watch some videos which will explain it to you =

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkCJ8rb8Grw 9:40 minutes
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36g3auOm9HA 37 minutes
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u3z69YpLx0 23 minutes

If you want to make sense of the biblical stories it is essential that you know what the real Ten Commandments are. All of the biblical stories illustrate one or more of the Commandments. They show the positive and negative effects of following or ignoring them The miracles are based on Exodus 34:10. You should be able to read any biblical story and determine which of the Commandments it is about. That is why a lot of the stories appear to be nonsense. They are merely devices to illustrate a point and are not based on facts.

When the wise men visited baby Yeshua they brought gifts, which illustrate the 4th Commandment about not appearing before "Me" empty handed (Exodus 34:20). They were recognizing baby Yeshua as a deity.

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@arakish,

@arakish,
@Diotrephes

There are some errors in the above statements (e.g. Exodus 34:1 says these were the 2nd set written down), but I was not aware of some of this information. I will definitely watch the videos, do some digging, and let you know my thoughts. This is good for me... Thanks.

Sky Pilot's picture
mailman,

mailman,

"There are some errors in the above statements (e.g. Exodus 34:1 says these were the 2nd set written down), but I was not aware of some of this information."

It is good that you will examine the evidence but I see that you keep making significant errors. In Exodus 34:1 (CEV) it says = "One day the Lord said to Moses, “Cut two flat stones like the first ones I made, and I will write on them the same commandments that were on the two you broke."

Now notice that it plainly says that what will be on the second set is the same commandments that were on the first set. So if that was true then what follows in verses 11-28 are the commandments that were on the first set that Moses broke before he went nuts and killed 3,000 of his fellow travelers. So these are the real Ten Commandments and not the fake ones from Exodus 20.

Now in case you have missed it in Deuteronomy chapter 5 the writer confused the issue by having Moses rattle off ten commandments that he says the Lord verbally told all of the people and then wrote them on two stone tablets and gave them to Moses. OK, so what does that mean? For one heard them. They were written on two stone tablets. Moses got them as souvenirs. BUT THEY WERE NOT CALLED THE TEN COMMANDMENTS NOR DID MOSES BREAK THOSE PARTICULAR STONE TABLETS.

There is also another set of stone tablets which are less known. These are the Twelve Curses found in Deuteronomy chapter 27:15-26. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=deuteronomy+27&version=CEB;...

In Deuteronomy 27:22 the curse is one the one who lies with his sister, the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother. Later on in 2 Samuel chapter 13 there is the story of Amnon raping his sister Tamar. She asks him not to do it but to ask their rotten father King David for permission to marry her, which he would be OK with. There is a lot of sick stuff in the fairy tale.

2 Samuel 13:20-22 (CEB) = "20 Her brother Absalom said to her, “Has your brother Amnon been with you? Keep quiet about it for now, sister; he’s your brother. Don’t let it bother you.” So Tamar, a broken woman, lived in her brother Absalom’s house.

21 When King David heard about all this he got very angry, but he refused to punish his son Amnon because he loved him as his oldest child.[c] 22 Absalom never spoke to Amnon, good word or bad, because he hated him for raping his sister Tamar."

Later on Absalom kills Amnon, rotten King David gets pissed about it and goes into a snit for three years but then is OK with it.

None of them followed any of the commandments.

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This is a follwup to my post

This is a follwup to my post above. I watched all 3 videos, but am only going to reference AronRa's 2nd video above (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36g3auOm9HA) since the other 2 have similar content. I am parsing the video and addressing certain sections. If I do not comment on a part of the video you want me to, please respond accordingly.

Aron says the (6th) commandment is ‘Thou shalt not kill’. I am quite surprised Aron got tripped up on this since there are many, many available references that talk about the differences of “killing” (which it does not say) and “murder”, which it does.
https://apholt.com/2015/03/17/thou-shalt-not-kill-vs-thou-shalt-not-murder/

Surprisingly, even Wikipedia seems to provide some good insight on this confusion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_kill

Numbers 5 does not promote abortion. It mentions nothing of pregnancy. https://www.gotquestions.org/Numbers-abortion.html

Aron’s NT quotes from Jesus are true – God wants to be first in our lives.

Aron said Jesus’ followers broke the 4th commandment but provides no scriptural reference. I can’t comment on this since I don’t know what he is referring to.

Aron says the phrase “do not make any graven images“ means that you can never make a picture (painting, sculpture, digital image, etc.) of a natural thing. That is not correct. The context is always in relation to bowing down to that which you have made, as identified later in the same verse. That is clear from the many examples that follow where God judged the Israelites harshly for bowing down to idols and giving their allegiance (trust) to them.

Aron says Christians break the 1st commandment. Yes we do - no denial there. God wants to be 1st and we put many things before Him (work, career, money, power, etc.). Christians break the 10 commandments all the time, but we are still expected to try and honor them.

Aron said ‘Jesus did not refer to himself as God’. This is not correct. Jesus did refer to himself as God when he referred to himself as I AM in John 8:58, which is what God called himself during his revelation to Moses in the burning bush.

Regarding the copying of the Hammurabi code: https://www.gotquestions.org/Moses-Hammurabi-code.html

Regarding Slavery – The bible doesn’t condone it…it regulates it. I understand this is still hard to digest, but see the following insights:
https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html
http://www.revelation.co/2013/06/09/bible-says-its-okay-to-beat-your-sla...
https://answersingenesis.org/bible-questions/doesnt-the-bible-support-sl...

Regarding apparent child sacrifice that Aron claims in Exodus 22:29:
https://www.str.org/blog/god-didn%E2%80%99t-command-child-sacrifice#.W-m...

He also cites Leviticus 27:28-29 and Numbers 3:13 as proof that ‘God expects people to kill their first-born on the alter’. The verses do not say this. Aron seems to be confused about the meaning of the phrase “They shall be mine.” Aron also says ‘the profits expected this too’, but offers no scripture reference. Aron might be referring to Ezekiel 20:26, but the context of this verse is the rebellious Israelites who did not follow God. God did not command child sacrifice. It is what happened as a result of abandoning Him. The text is quite clear on this.

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@Mailman Re: "Regarding

@Mailman Re: "Regarding Slavery – The bible doesn’t condone it…it regulates it."

Ooooooooh...! Well, alrighty then! That is SO much better! By golly! How could we have POSSIBLY missed THAT?..... *snapping fingers*... Dang. Our bad. But, hey, thank you for clearing that up for us, because it all makes perfect sense now.

Sure, I can totally see god going, "Hmmm... Looks like my human pets are dabbling in slave trade down there. Wow, that is so wrong."... *shaking head in disapprovement*... "Tsk-tsk-tsk... Well, guess I should write some sort of law or commandment to condemn the practice of slavery. After all, I AM all-powerful and such."... *starts writing on stone tablet*.... *suddenly stops and puts down hammer and chisel*.... "Hmmm... Then again, how many of them would actually obey that? After all, kids will be kids.".... *chuckles to self during a moment of reflection*.... "Yeah, instead of outright banning it, I'll just make a few rules for them to follow so that it can be a fair and civil activity."..... *tosses away first tablet*.... *starts writing on new one*...

Yep, that God fellow is definitely smart.

Sky Pilot's picture
mailman,

mailman,

Thanks for your comments.

Some of my observations =

1. "Aaron says the phrase “do not make any graven images“ means that you can never make a picture (painting, sculpture, digital image, etc.) of a natural thing. That is not correct."

Have you considered the words in Exodus 20:4 (KJV) = "4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."

That seems to be a concrete statement that plainly says exactly what it means. The intend seems to be that Yahweh does not like it when people copy his creations. He thinks that they are stealing his magic.

2. "Aaron says the (6th) commandment is ‘Thou shalt not kill’. I am quite surprised Aaron got tripped up on this since there are many, many available references that talk about the differences of “killing” (which it does not say) and “murder”, which it does."

Whether it is killing or murder the result is the same. The act takes someone's life. When Moses flew into a rage because people were exercising freedom of religion and his thugs spilled the blood of 3,000 of them did he break the rule? Remember, the real Ten Commandments do not prohibit killing or murder. So Aron was not talking about the real 6th Commandment but the fake one. The real 6th Commandment is to observe the Feast of Weeks and the Feast of Ingathering (Exodus 34:22).

3. "Regarding Slavery – The bible doesn’t condone it…it regulates it. I understand this is still hard to digest, but see the following insights:"

Are you a Gentile? If so are you OK with being a slave to the Jews in Israel? Is that how you would want to spend your life because slavery is regulated?

Isaiah 14:1-2 (CEV) = "The Lord will have mercy on Israel and will let them be his chosen people once again. He will bring them back to their own land, and foreigners will join them as part of Israel. 2 Other nations will lead them home, and Israel will make slaves of them in the land that belongs to the Lord. Israel will rule over those who once governed and mistreated them."

Leviticus 25:44-46 (CEV) = "44 If you want slaves, buy them from other nations 45 or from the foreigners who live in your own country, and make them your property. 46 You can own them, and even leave them to your children when you die, but do not make slaves of your own people or be cruel to them."

Put on your chains.

4. "He also cites Leviticus 27:28-29 and Numbers 3:13 as proof that ‘God expects people to kill their first-born on the alter’. The verses do not say this."

But the Bible does say exactly that in Ezekiel 20:23-26 (CEV) = "23 So I solemnly swore that I would scatter the people of Israel across the nations, 24 because they had disobeyed my laws and ignored my teachings; they had disgraced my Sabbath and worshiped the idols their ancestors had made. 25 I gave them laws that bring punishment instead of life, 26 and I let them offer me unacceptable sacrifices, including their first-born sons. I did this to horrify them and to let them know that I, the Lord, was punishing them."

Burn baby burn.

5. "Aaron said ‘Jesus did not refer to himself as God’. This is not correct. Jesus did refer to himself as God when he referred to himself as I AM in John 8:58, which is what God called himself during his revelation to Moses in the burning bush."

Yeshua (Jesus) was a lunatic who had delusions of grandeur. He never did anything godly in scope. He was all talk and no action. The miracles associated with nutty Moses were much more impressive. If Jesus was still wiggling on the cross that would be impressive.

6. "Aaron says Christians break the 1st commandment. Yes we do - no denial there."

The 1st Commandment is the only one that everyone has followed through history all around the world. It is to invade other people's lands, destroy their religious artifacts, and to do some ethnic cleansing.

Ann Coulter is a big fan of the First Commandment = "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war." Ann Coulter
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/ann_coulter_167043

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Is torturing a newborn baby

"Aaron says the (6th) commandment is ‘Thou shalt not kill’. I am quite surprised Aaron got tripped up on this since there are many, many available references that talk about the differences of “killing” (which it does not say) and “murder”, which it does."

Is the premeditated torturing of a newborn baby to death over 7 days murder?

Is it ever morally acceptable to torture and murder newborn baby?

algebe's picture
@Mailman: Regarding Slavery –

@Mailman: Regarding Slavery – The bible doesn’t condone it…it regulates it.

The Romans regulated slavery. They had very sophisticated rules and regulations about trading, owning, and punishing slaves. And once a year at Christmas time (Saturnalia), slaves and masters pretended to trade places, and the masters would serve dinner to the slaves. A slave cost about as much as a small car today, so that centurion must have been very happy when Jesus fixed his sick slave. Kind of like getting a free set of new tires for your car. Slave owners tried not to damage or kill their property unless they got too uppity.

Do think regulating slavery makes it right?

arakish's picture
@ mailman

@ mailman

I never finished your diatribe before noticing you cannot get his name correct. It is Aron NOT Aaron. If you ain't going to get people's names correct, then give me one good reason I should even consider listening to you?

rmfr

srpostma11's picture
@arakish,

@arakish,

I never would have thought an innocent misspelling would stop you from better understanding a subject, or wanting to gain knowledge. I fixed it.

Sky Pilot's picture
mailman,

mailman,

Typos can be fun because when people point them out it shows that they are reading every word and care enough about you or the subject to point them out to you. But you have to be very careful with them. Never get in the habit of writing stuff without checking for doing some spell checking and proof reading to ensure that it is error free.You should always try to make yourself look good. Errors in writing make you look bad. My keyboard is always missing certain letters and characters. It can be a pain to catch all of them.

Have fun, we are not writing about how to build an interstellar space ship that can go 10,000 times the speed of light.

arakish's picture
@ mailman

@ mailman

But I do not view it as innocent.

"If you are going to write something, make damn sure you spell the person's name correctly. Else don't write it."

Something a college English instructor once said. She also said that she would not read a paper if we spelled the person's name wrong. Guess she rubbed off on me. There have been many posts I have skipped right over because the poster felt it unnecessary to take the time to make sure they spelled a person's name correctly.

"If a person feels it is unnecessary to take the time to spell a person's name, whom they are quoting or paraphrasing, then I feel it is unnecessary to read your paper."

Remember. I come from a "professional" world. I take the time to make sure I spell each and every person's name correctly. And if it is a typo, I try to immediately correct the mistake. I may shorten some Screen Names, such as Cog for Cognostic or Logic for LogicFTW, BUT I do not misspell them.

Have you ever seen me misspell your Screen Name?

And here is something funny. I DO NOT care if others misspell my Screen Name. To me, it makes no difference. I only get the hackles raised when I see others misspelling others' names.

rmfr

EDIT: And do not even try to say others who quoted your diatribe are guilty of misspelling. The initial error was yours. They just quoted your errors.

arakish's picture
@ mailman

@ mailman

And I did go back and skim your diatribe. Only one problem, excepting the Great Wiki Link, all others are articles written by Religious Absolutist Apologists. How many times do I have to repeat myself telling you that nothing any Apologist writes is acceptable?

I have already read all the arguments Apologists can offer. OVER 40 YEARS AGO! And that was probably before you even itched your daddy's loins. There is nothing new today's Apologists have been able to add. NOT ONE DAMN THING! Because I have also read quite a few articles by Apologists through the many, many decades I have been alive.

No matter how much sugar and honey you use ain't going to make a pile of bullshit smell any sweeter. And all you Religious Absolutists have only been stirring the same pile of bullshit for the 3000 years. And it really reeks.

rmfr

Chicken's picture
Just a question as an

Just a question as an ignorant bystander, but if a name is transliterated from Hebrew, is there a “correct” English counterpart? Who decides what that is?

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@ Chicken

@ Chicken

It is mostly common usage. The letter 'j" wasn't used until the 17tch century and even then was pronounced as the y sound (as it is in Catalan and Spanish today) as in yellow. 'v' was pronounced as a U sound and still is in many germanic countries with the english 'v' sound being written as 'w'. "Ve haff Vays of making you talk" for example.

Matters are further complicated from the Hebrew as the gospels were originally in greek and they hellenised the name 'Iosef' for joseph (Hebrew Yossef)j.. so later writers in the 17th century copied that as the soft j i.e Josef (pronounced Yosef) . Most of the other biblical names were corrupted in the same way.

Its a bit like the telephone game...after a few hundred years, multiple translations, changes in pronunciation, each language will produce its own version of the name.

Chicken's picture
I agree that we must come to

I agree that we must come to a consensus about how to properly spell names, but I myself find it somewhat low to point it out in such a fashion. Just because you find someone ignorant or even flat out wrong about something doesn’t require one to be mean about it. I understand this is the internet and anything goes, but I don’t like shitting on people for slip ups. Just nicely correct them and move on, in the end it’s not that important of a mistake. This is all my personal opinion, of course.

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I respect your position

I respect your position Chicken, but when one enters what can be perceived as a hostile environment, they better have all their ducks in a row and make sure their assertions and facts can hold up under scrutiny.

And the longer you are here, the more you will see it happening both ways. If an atheist slips up with a typo, the theist will jump on it and never let go. Sloppy thinking or typing works both ways in here.

I too (as an electrician) come from an environment where every word and letter MUST be 100% technically correct or people could die. I have no problem with that.

arakish's picture
@ Chicken

@ Chicken

Like David, I also respect your position. My different environment may not get people killed in the literal sense, but it will kill them academically if even one mistake is made. That is why there is the "peer-review" process. It is process in which us scientists can ween out the mistakes before making a publication.

Here on these forum boards, the only thing that will raise my hackles is when someone does not take the time to spell someone else's name correctly, even it is only a Screen Name. Now I have seen purposeful misspellings used to emphasize a forum user's incorrect assumptions in their posts. Even I have done. Others have done it to me. Those, I do not get upset about. It is about someone writes a diatribe or treatise, posts it here expecting us to peruse it, but that person does not even take the time to makes sure he spelled every person's name correctly.

As I said, that one English instructor in college rubbed off on me. Then again, it was not just her. It was every last instructor I had. When I turned in a paper, there had better be no misspellings of a cited person's name. NONE!

I guess on a forum board, I should be more tolerant. Thank YOU! for pointing that out. I shall endeavor to attempt to be intolerant. Just remember, it is from a whole life time of writing papers and MAKING DAMNED SURE no cited person's name is misspelled.

Look at the bright side. I did say I never give a crap if someone spells my Screen Name wrong, as long as I know it is me.

rmfr

Chicken's picture
@arakish and @David I see

@arakish and @David I see your points, and I’m not trying to start something here. I just find that as I get older certain things don’t seem to bother me as much as they used to. I’ve started to value my relationships with people over my desire to correct or inform them of what I think the truth is. I’m not sure if this is the correct approach or if it just means I’m becoming more cowardly, time will tell. I think I care too much how others feel, especially how others feel about ME. I wish in many ways I could be more like you all and shout from the balcony “God is a dirty lie!” But in many ways I am restricted by myself and society to keep these opinions to myself, for the most part. It almost always feels that even suggesting someone is wrong makes them visibly angry with you, something I still don’t understand coming from a background in the sciences. Anyway, maybe I was wrong for suggesting we play nice, or maybe we need to have compassion for the indoctrinated, misguided fools who stray into these forums.

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@ Chicken

@ Chicken

Your way is not cowardly. And do NOT ever think that again. Else it will be Time out for you young man. ;-P

To me, this is foremost a debate forum. One should spell any person's name correctly if they are citing something from that person. The only "nice" thing about a debate forum is attacking a person's ideas. If they are going to include another person's ideas, then they should at least spell that person's name correctly. Else, my opinion, it is disrespecting that person and what is cited.

In a casual conversation, well it goes without saying, then one should at least pronounce a person's name correctly. Otherwise, I will gently correct them. However, if they continue to insist on mispronouncing the name, then that is telling me they are purposefully being an ignorant and belligerent asshole, and I am going to treat them so.

These forums are text based and one can take the time to proof what they have typed before posting. Just like as I have done with this post. Thus, there is no excuse or reason why they cannot spell a person's name correctly. I can understand ONE misspelling. However, TEN?! In the same post? That is being a belligerent ass in my book.

Sorry if my bark is a bit ruff, but that is the way I am now days. Back in my older days, I'd be like Tin-Man and the forums' jester. Please, accept my apology if I did offend, I was not saying your way is incorrect. I was trying to explain my way. Your way, is a better and more friendly way. However, I just come from a world where no jit, jot, or tittle is to be out of place.

rmfr

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Of all the ideas religions

Of all the ideas religions have promoted that I find absurd, there are few to match the idea of an omniscient deity that is a monoglot, and only truly able to communicate in the language the original adherents used to record their superstitious ravings.

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@mailman

@mailman
What objective evidence do you have that your ten commandments were written?

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@ mailman

@ mailman

"There are some errors in the above statements (e.g. Exodus 34:1 says these were the 2nd set written down), but I was not aware of some of this information."

No errors. I was speaking of what The Ten Commandments were. Not how many set had been carved into stone. Reread everything, My Young Grasshopper, and use what little Critical Thinking you are capable of. Then you shall see we made no errors.

rmfr

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