cosmic consciousness

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David Killens's picture
@ʝօɦn 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐy

@ʝօɦn 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐy

"No, because I have no issue with things existing independently of human observation; but how can we know what those things are without observing them?"

Do you believe in a god? Do you believe you know the qualities of this god?

ʝօɦn 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐy's picture
Yes; and whatever qualities

Yes; and whatever qualities have been revealed.

Here's a couple papers I think you should read btw. I haven't had the time to go through and cite things formally. But most of the things I've been arguing for when it comes to consciousness can be found in these papers:

1. https://owenlab.uwo.ca/pdf/2013-Owen,%20Annual%20Review%20-%20Detecting%...

2. http://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/~paller/dialogue/csc1.pdf

3. https://organizations.utep.edu/Portals/1475/nagel_bat.pdf

4. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10072-015-2072-x

5. http://www.sfu.ca/~jillmc/JacksonfromJStore.pdf

6. https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.psych.58.110405.08...

arakish's picture
@ Breezy

@ Breezy

In your previous reply: "No, because I have no issue with things existing independently of human observation; but how can we know what those things are without observing them?"

So unless you see yourself, you do not exist?

rmfr

ʝօɦn 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐy's picture
Based on Cartesian philosophy

Based on Cartesian philosophy I suppose so. Our ability to observe the contents of our thoughts, and sit in the theater of experience is how we know we exist.

David Killens's picture
Nah John, I come from the

Nah John, I come from the military and construction world where we live by the mantra "if a dump truck drives over you, you feel it".

We didn't have time for woo woo, just real world stuff.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ David Killens

@ David Killens

Seems John has had his hard contact with reality and got himself banned form the site...hilarious. Too many sock puppets....and trying to masquerade as a 14 yr old girl...tsk tsk...I thought it was just the cops and nasty TV shows that did that.

David Killens's picture
That is a shame Old man. But

That is a shame Old man. But if true, he was very dishonest in his conduct. If anything, those proves (once again) that apologist will stoop to low tactics to support their cult dogma.

And I really don't like dishonest people.

arakish's picture
@ Old Man Re: "trying to

@ Old Man Re: "trying to masquerade as a 14 yr old girl"

My problem is that I could not even masquerade as 14yr old boy. I was actually studying, doing homework, reading books, like any nerdy geek. However, I also played in sports. But I still did not get the whole idea of sports. I only played them because that was where I was getting my "fun." Not to so much win, although we did that quite often, but just to have "fun" away from my nerdy geekness of reading, doing homework, and studying for real. What 14yr old boy does that?

rmfr

Diotrephes's picture
Old man shouts ...,

Old man shouts ...,

"Seems John has had his hard contact with reality and got himself banned form the site...hilarious."

If this keeps up no one will be left who has different opinions and then the discussions will end.

Sheldon's picture
Only 1 agree is allowed, so

Fri, 12/14/2018 - 08:53
Talyyn
"The fabled argument of "all measurements being subjective" to discredit Science while using their own "grand" personal experience, albeit subjective, to prove god, krishna, woo-woo, nirvana..."

Only 1 agree is allowed, so you get that 1...the other 999 are in the post...

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