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The zero-energy universe hypothesis proposes that the total amount of energy in the universe is exactly zero.
@Alain
"There are millions and millions of people who die all the time in a myriad of different circumstances.
According to my beliefs reincarnation take place soon after their death and according also to my karma beliefs these people will be reincarnated in a medium or a body that is most suitable to their degree of consciousness so all options are open.
Few will end up in the ocean of cosmic consciousness and will be one with the whole or God but most of them will be reincarnated in better or worse human being, some will end up in an animal body some in plants and the worse of the worse in pure matter (stone, rocks) and it will takes millions of years before they pop up as humans once again."
Last night the wife and I watched an old movie, "Highlander". In it were "rules", that certain people were born immortal, the only way to kill them was to lop off their head, they would one day be driven to a location, and a final battle would happen so that just one survived. And this nonsensical story-telling we see in vampire or werewolf stories.
All of them have something in common with your treatise, they are all pure imagination and cannot be proven in any way. AndI treat you tale about reincarnation and all that crap as pure nonsense that cannot be proven in any way.
You are making it all up to suit your personal fears.
Fears?
Not at all David.
On the contrary reincarnation to me is like stepping in a more evolved dimension.
I would feel a lot of fear if I would have lived my life like a fool but that is not the case.
Of course Alain, all of this reincarnation and life after death is initiated by the individual's fear of death.
Can you deal with the concept that after your body expires, your "soul", consciousness, and identity are forever gone?
Your concept doesn't make an inch of sense to me.
Consciousness is energy too and energy as I am sure you know can not be destroyed ever but it also doesn't make sense to me that the evolution of the human beings can be gone for ever so the question does not arise in my mind.
On the other hand the concept that we are immortal make tons and tons of sense to me.
@Alain
"On the other hand the concept that we are immortal make tons and tons of sense to me."
Because your mind flat-out rejects the concept that on death, it all ends. You can not deal with death. Death is the ultimate scary thing for you. So you invent woo woo to placate your fears.
Can i put this here????
https://youtu.be/d2-MKq27hIQ
Well its been a typical exchange with a theist.
Assertions without proof were made. The assertions were challenged and rebuffed. The assertions were qualified and again claimed with the authority of poorly understood principles of science. The claims were rebuffed again with explanations of why. The explanations were ignored or derided and answered with new 'evidence' which is in turn rejected for being merely anecdotal. All of which leads to a general criticism that science is insufficient for understanding anything at all, sometimes loaded with aspersions about intelligence and morality of non believers in general.
All explanations of personal spiritual beliefs, no matter how sincere, ultimately and inevitably fail, trying to use the authority of science, particularly when the science is misunderstood. I don't believe you really understand just how incredibly detailed or wide ranging the evidence is that has come from the multi disciplined study of science. Its not vague nor personal and its all verifiable.
Your command of English has improved in the time you have been here at AR and I commend your efforts, but you need to understand that English is a tool that is employed by professional fields of study to create precise meaning. Science, medicine, law and every other field of expertise has its own precise set of agreed definitions for English words. This is absolutely necessary for scientists, doctors, lawyers etc to communicate effectively.
In contrast, theists use words without an apparent need for concise meaning. "Spirit", "soul", "consciousness", "ego", "mind", "pneuma", "elan vital", "noumenon" and hundreds of other such words, all vaguely meaning the same thing: the non-material essence of a human individual. Concise meaning has never been a strength in religion.
Meaning and communication in science carries the burden of importance not found in theisms.
None of this means your beliefs are wrong or invalid. They apparently are good for you, at this time in your life. It simply means you waste your time (and ours) trying to defend it all, first with the pretence of understanding science and then with the indignation of deriding it.
I recall from my time as a devout christian, spirituality was an experience, not an explanation, and that science is not a tool for establishing the spiritual.
You have explained nothing but your own belief and chided us for trusting the evidence of validated sciences. Theists desperately try to 'reason' their beliefs and gods into reality, because they know, typing away on their computers, and arguing on the internet, that science really works.
No spiritual leader of any religion ever invented anything material for the benefit of mankind and there's a bloody good reason why.
1) Spiritual leaders have nothing to do with religions so you can not say..........spiritual leader of any religion...
Spirituality and religions are two different things and if you like to know I can explain to you.
2) You say.........No spiritual leader of any religion ever invented anything material for the benefit of mankind .............
Sorry Grin but you are wrong once again.
Take Shiva better known as Lord Shiva.
If you believe what they say about him he was a real spiritual leader and he gave tons and tons of useful things to humanity.
He gave yoga which benefit body-mind and increase spirituality, he gave the ayurveda science which in those ancient times was the best healing medicine and is still very good these days, he gave the 7 notes so people who play music in those times could produce better sound, he was against the caste system, he gave the system of marriage to people who used to treat women as pure objects, and science too.
Shiva was the master of science.
No wonder at the CERN in Geneva there is a statue of Shiva.
The only pity is that too many people think that Shiva had something to do with religions.
And you are wrong. Science is no way attributed to Shiva.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva
rmfr
Just a heads up to everyone, this Alain guy is Little Rik from AF, who got temp banned and then perma banned for trolling.
Just saying...
Yeah, I noticed that earlier. I have been perusing AF, but have never joined. These boards keep me busy enough along with work and house work.
I have just been having fun with him.
Also notice his avatar. Woo woo elves. Fitting since he is spreading nothing but woo woo. Especially with absolutely NO EVIDENCE. Half of my Razor.
rmfr
And not even decent looking warrior type elves. These look like stupid anime style elves.
My elven ranger is ashamed! :D
His little elves explain it all. Cute and non-threatening. Just like his beliefs.
You may well have some fun with me Arak but just guess who would have more fun if we both go before an independent jury where they ask you for evidence about your beliefs.
Where would you get the evidence that the consciousness is created by the brain or the evidence that when a person die also the consciousness die or the evidence that there is no reincarnation?
What would you say Arak?
Would you say that the jury are trolls because they ask you these questions like you tell to me when I ask you?
@Alain:
"Where would you get the evidence that te consciousness is created by the brain ..."
Have you looked? Do a google research, find books, there are tons of correlations linking neurology to our self-aware and unconscious experiences.
Where people have brain injuries, you can have change, small or not so, in their personality, their sensitivitie to the environment. Look at Alzeihmer, no futher...
1) Wherever you look Tal you will never find any evidence that the consciousness is a product of the brain.
Never ever.
There are a mountain of guesses and nothing else.
Guesses are no evidence.
Take Eben Alexander.
http://ebenalexander.com/about/my-experience-in-coma/
He is a neurosurgeon not just a simple GP.
His knowledge is much better than the one you find in a google search.
2) You say...........Where people have brain injuries, you can have change, small or not so, in their personality, their sensitivitie to the environment. Look at Alzeihmer, no futher..............
True and simple to explain Tal.
As far as the consciousness resides within the brain it is bound to be affected when the body-brain suffer.
The same thing happen when you have a car accident.
You are stuck inside your vehicle so it is natural that you will experience pain.
That of course has zero to do with you being the vehicle but as far as you are stuck inside it you will experience pain that is why your idea that the consciousness is a product of the brain is defective.
1) What is the purpose of the brain, or the whole body then? So you think that what people "see" while making an N.D.E are evidence, but nothing we have quantified through ample research are?
What is GP, really? Oh, your guy is the only qualified scientist that put his research on the net? Plus, this is an argument from authority so it has no value.
I've read, although in diagonal, the full article pertaining to the case of Alexander, nowhere it is said that the mind is separate from the brain, nor the existence of the "ultra-valley" is provided with evidence.
I put the link here so anyone can read it : https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/wp-content/uploads/sites/360...
2) I am not conviced by your analogy, but i invite you to share it with the whole "conservative, physicalist" assembly of people working in this field.
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1) You say...........What is the purpose of the brain, or the whole body then?......
Simple Tal.
The brain and the body allow the consciousness to express itself like a car allow a driver to go from point A to point B.
2) You say..............So you think that what people "see" while making an N.D.E are evidence, but nothing we have quantified through ample research are?
What ample research has the physical science done so far regarding what is not physical?
You telling me Tal.
3) You say...........What is GP, really? Oh, your guy is the only qualified scientist that put his research on the net? Plus, this is an argument from authority so it has no value.........
Take an avalanche Tal.
In the beginning it goes very slow but as it keep on falling down it goes faster and faster.
The same thing happen to any new discovery such as the one that the consciousness is not a product of the brain.
It will not really take much longer before the scientists fraternity will embrace this with open arms.
4) You say...........I've read, although in diagonal, the full article pertaining to the case of Alexander, nowhere it is said that the mind is separate from the brain, nor the existence of the "ultra-valley" is provided with evidence.
You didn't read properly Tal.
You should have paid attention when it is said.................For example, he reported to his family and to his
physicians having seen specific individuals who were not family members praying around his bed in the ICU, an event that had occurred on hospital day 5 while he was in a deep coma. This event, which was corroborated by his family and by hospital staff, was unlikely to have been an informed guess, as visitors other than family were routinely not permitted to visit in the ICU.........
What you think it means Tal?
Ok. I will help you to understand considering that you find difficult to get it.
It simply means that he could only see this because his consciousness separated from his body while in coma therefore this is evidence that the consciousness never die and it is not a product of the brain.
5) You say.......... I am not conviced by your analogy, but i invite you to share it with the whole "conservative, physicalist" assembly of people working in this field..........
Few centuries ago the whole .............. assembly of people working in some field..........thought that the earth was flat.
Guess what Tal.
Today the same kind of people drop one dogma but embrace an other one to be dumped once the evidence is overwhelming to again pick one more dogma and this going on will go on and on for ever and ever.
Fools unfortunately never learn.
@Alain
1) The mind can not do this without having a material anchor?
2) What is not physical for you? Electromagnetic radiation is not physical in the layman's sense of the term. Did you investigate the case, really, corroboring everything, looking at the method?
3) Call me Talyyn, not Tal, i'm not your friend. You've evaded my sentence.
4) Evidence of that? Have you checked? It is not my job to do the search, provide yourself first-hand accounts, etc...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Stevenson
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/bering-in-mind/ian-stevensone28099s...
https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-flaws-in-the-reincarnation-research-...
Conclusions from the article:
"Patients who appear to be comatose and unresponsive to the environment may nonetheless retrospectively report complex cognitive processes during the period of coma. EEGs and other functional neuroimaging, which may appear superfluous for clinical decision making, may be helpful in providing clarity regarding neural processes associated with complex cognitive processes during apparent near-death experience suggests the need for further research into mechanisms by which such experiences may contribute to survival in critical illness."
5) The people who thought Earth was flat were not scientists.
1) Talyyn...........The mind can not do this without having a material anchor?
As far as you are stuck inside a body this is the case but as soon as you are disconnected from the body this doesn't apply anymore as seen in the NDEs.
2) Talyyn............What is not physical for you? Electromagnetic radiation is not physical in the layman's sense of the term. Did you investigate the case, really, corroboring everything, looking at the method?
What is not physical is abstract in the sense that can not be perceived by our physical senses (sight, touch, smell, heard, taste) and body so consciousness come under the term abstract.
Radiations are felt by our body in a positive-negative way so they can not possibly be abstract.
3) Talyyn..........Call me Talyyn, not Tal, i'm not your friend.
Sad to hear that Talyyn.
Maybe in the next life?
Talyyn..........You've evaded my sentence.
I prefer to believe those who went through real experiences rather than to a bunch of people who created a lot of guessing and not direct experience.
4) Talyyn........Evidence of that?
As you can see even in the links that you show more and more people dismiss today scientific establishment's ideas as pure rubbish.
5) Talyyn.........The people who thought Earth was flat were not scientists.
Even atheists are not scientists yet they pretend to know things that are not supported by evidence.
The past is repeated again and again.
Hello Alain, we can have a cordial conversation without being friends. You believe, but believing is wishful thinking. A majority of scientists are atheists or otherwise non religious. Indeed a lot of atheists are not scientists so what?
What scientific facts are pure rubbish? Gravity? thermodynamics? quantum physics? Electromagnetism? If all of that wre false wouldn't be here debating with us.
For the NDE, it would still signify that matter is redundant.
The only difference between you and I is that I know where I can get the evidence. You have none.
rmfr
Oh, good Arak.
Let us see this evidence then.
Where is the jury?
rmfr
Alain: "I just wonder who is that guy that believe in that nonsense?"
Probably someone without an education! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!!
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!
@ Alain
Repeat of an earlier post you must have missed:
@ Alain
So what you are saying is :
Joy is the driver of presence. The goal of bio-feedback is to plant the seeds of divinity rather than greed. We exist as morphic resonance.
The cosmos is calling to you via bio-feedback. Can you hear it?
Without knowledge, one cannot live. Yes, it is possible to eliminate the things that can sabotage us, but not without energy on our side. You must take a stand against dogma.
Am I right?
I heard this type of pseudo philosophy once when against my will I was drugged to a place where intellectuals try to say something that make any sense.
I just left before I started get sick.
Amen so to speak.
@ Alain
Hahahah...welcome to the "New Age Bullshit Generator" Reads so much like your crock'o shite. You should try it. It will end up making more sense than the drivel you have been posting here and elsewhere.
And FYI I have had two very different NDE, neither turned me into a theist.
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