Atheists...
Atheists are some of the most religious and faithful people ever. It takes an incredible amount of faith to be an atheist. Sun, moon, stars, oceans, the Earth, animals, babies, male, female, the human heart, emotions, our conscience, love, intelligence, the human mind, bone structure, the human reproductive system, biblical prophecies coming true all before our eyes, eyewitness accounts of Jesus, and more and still there are some people who deny God’s existence.
Just stop and think about it. It’s impossible for something to come from nothing. To say nothingness caused nothing and created everything is absurd! Nothing will always remain nothing.
J. S. Mill who was a non-Christian philosopher said, “It is self-evident that only mind can create mind. For nature to make itself is a scientific impossibility.”
Atheists are going to say, “well who created God?” God is not in the same category as created things. God is not created. God is the uncaused cause. He is eternal. He simply exists. It is God who brought matter, time, and space into existence.
Behind every creation there is always a creator. You might not know the person who built your house, but you know it didn’t just get there on its own.
Atheism can’t explain existence. Atheists live by science, but science (always) changes. God and the Bible (always) remain the same. They know there is a God.
He is revealed in creation, through His Word, and through Jesus Christ. Everybody knows that God is real, people just hate Him so much they suppress the truth.
Atheists are going to say, “well who created God?” God is not in the same category as created things. God is not created. God is the uncaused cause. He is eternal. He simply exists. It is God who brought matter, time, and space into existence.
If Atheists believe there is no God why are they always so obsessed with Him? Why are they worried about Christians? Why do they view things about Christianity just to mock? Why are there atheist conventions? Why have atheist churches?
If God is not real why does it matter? It’s because they hate God! Why does life matter? Without God nothing makes sense. There is no reality at all. Atheists can’t account for morality. Why is right right and why is wrong wrong? Atheists can’t account for rationality, logic, and intelligence because their worldview will not allow them to. The only way they can is to take upon the Christian theistic worldview.
Notes:
To sustain the belief that there is no God, atheism has to demonstrate infinite knowledge, which is tantamount to saying, “I have infinite knowledge that there is no being in existence with infinite knowledge.
What does the Bible say?
1. Colossians 2:8 Be careful not to allow anyone to captivate you through an empty, deceitful philosophy that is according to human traditions and the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.
1 Corinthians 3:19-20 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God, since it is written: He catches the wise in their craftiness; and again, The Lord knows that the reasonings of the wise are meaningless.
2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 and every type of evil to deceive those who are dying, those who refused to love the truth that would save them. For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie. Then all who have not believed the truth but have taken pleasure in unrighteousness will be condemned.
Atheists say, “there is no God.”
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
Psalm:14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
Psalm:53:1
The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.
His ways are always grievous; thy judgments are far above out of his sight: as for all his enemies, he puffeth at them.
He hath said in his heart, I shall not be moved: for I shall never be in adversity.
His mouth is full of cursing and deceit and fraud: under his tongue is mischief and vanity.
Psalm:10:4-7
They can’t understand the things of God.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Corinthians:2:14
Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
Ephesians:4:18
They are scoffers.
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2 Peter:3:3-5
Remember this, that the enemy hath reproached, O LORD, and that the foolish people have blasphemed thy name.
Psalm:74:18
Arise, O God, plead thine own cause: remember how the foolish man reproacheth thee daily.
Psalm:74:22
Behold, they say unto me, Where is the word of the LORD? let it come now.
Jeremiah:17:15
Are atheists going to Heaven?
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Revelation:21:8
How do I know there’s a God?
O LORD, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep.
A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this.
Psalm:92:5-6
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Romans:1:20
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
Psalm:19:1-4
He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
Ecclesiastes:3:11
God is revealed in Jesus.
20. John 14:9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
21. John 17:25-26 “Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.”
Finding God...
22. Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.
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Atheism doesn't require faith at all. Do you know what Atheism is all about? Atheism is lack of belief in a god or gods. Do you have any evidence your god is real? You say your god is the uncaused cause, do you have any evidence for that? I didn't read all of your OP, it was to long.
Read what i posted and ask me a question ...
I don't read long OP's. I did ask you questions, but you evaded them. Do you have evidence for your god? Do you have evidence your god created anything? Do you know what Atheism is all about?
Tell me, what CREDIBLE eye witness accounts of Jesus exist? How do you explain all the contradictions in the Bible? Just because we have not discovered the origins of the universe is not a good reason to jump to supernatural explanations. How do you explain that it was proven there was never an Exodus from Egypt? How do you explain the punishment of burning in hell for all eternity just because a person was raised in another religion? Is eternity really a befitting punishment for something so expected? Let me know how you do with these questions. I have plenty more ( not to mention zero proof of god)
"What CREDIBLE eye witness accounts of Jesus exist?"
The Gospels and Paul's Epistles. A case can be made that the Gospel narratives were written by Apostles or friends of the Apostles (of Jesus), and Paul was a contemporary to the original disciples, particularly Peter and James.
"How do you explain all the contradictions in the Bible?"
Most of them have been explained, as there have been books written on it (Norman Gielser "When Critics Ask). No doubt there are tough passages, but that is the case in most books of antiquity.
"Just because we have not discovered the origins of the universe is not a good reason to jump to supernatural explanations."
Why not? You cant appeal to a natural explanation for the origin of the universe, considering the universe "began" to exist and with that beginning came nature. So "nature" cannot be used to explain the origins of its own domain. So supernaturalism is the only game left in town.
"How do you explain that it was proven there was never an Exodus from Egypt"
I am trying to figure out how does one "prove" that a large number of people DIDN'T vacated a particular geographical location on Earth and moved to another geographical location on Earth.
"How do you explain the punishment of burning in hell for all eternity just because a person was raised in another religion?"
I didn't know people went to hell for being "raised" in another religion. Must be new.
"Is eternity really a befitting punishment for something so expected?".
This question assumes that people will go to hell for the pre-mentioned offense, yet, there is no reason to think that this is the case. Begging the question.
You are here and so then is God
Your god didn't create any humans, that is done though sex between a man and a woman.
What???? Because I am here there must be a god? That's like people in the dark ages saying that because someone was sick they must be possessed. People always turn to the supernatural to explain what they don't know. Luckily science has been uncovering the truth, otherwise we would still be using excorcisms, oh wait, we do. Crazy
@Spookydog77: "God and the Bible (always) remain the same."
You're wrong there for a start. The Bible has been translated and retranslated and edited. Books have been added and taken out. The New Testament was written between decades and centuries after Jesus is supposed to have lived. The modern bible is only a few hundred years old. Do you know anything about the history of the book?
And on the basis of a primitive book that condones rape, slavery, adultery, genocide, murder, pedophilia, incest and many other delightful behaviors, you make this claim: "Atheists can’t account for morality". It's disgust with the biblican version of "morality" that leads many of us to reject religion. The best basis for morality is the Golden Rule, which goes back way beyond Jesus, by the way.
"If Atheists believe there is no God why are they always so obsessed with Him? "
I'm not obsessed with god. I'm obsessed with god-botherers knocking on my door, demanding priveleged positions in society, influencing government, interfering with scientific progress, imposing creationist nonsense in school science classes....
Where are these atheist churches? How do I join?
"Behind every creation there is always a creator." Prove it.
"It’s impossible for something to come from nothing." Prove it.
"It is God who brought matter, time, and space into existence." Prove it.
I didn't get past the first paragraph of the OP before learning a great deal about you, spooky. It is glaringly obvious that you've no understanding of what atheism is. Learn that, then come back and we can have a more productive discussion.
It takes zero faith to be an atheist. All an atheist is, is someone that does not believe in god, look up the commonly accepted definition of god, if you want more precision. That is it. Saying something does not exist does not require any faith. Does it take "faith" for you to not believe in Santa clause or the tooth fairy?
Lots, but not all atheist turn to science to explain the unknown. (But not all, it is no requirement to believe in science to be an atheist!) Evolution to me is a much more satisfactory answer then "god did it" for most creation ideas. It actually has real world evidence, evidence we can study with our own senses. It is extremely well supported, even many top religious leaders no longer deny evolution because it is so compelling.
How do you know it is impossible for something to come from nothing? You have no idea, you just think it is impossible, told that it is impossible. You have no way of knowing that for sure. No way of being an authority on that concept over anyone else. The correct rational answer to: "what was before the big bang" is a very simple: "We do not know." Additionally, many theist make the serious flaw that even if their was some sort of entity that can break all rules of our universe, to create a universe, there is zero connection between that entity and a particular god you worship. None.
As an atheist I do not ask who/what created god. There is no god. It is simply a tactic to get theist to try and question their belief. To see that they believe in a purely human thought construct humans invented that explains the unexplained by creating an idea that can break all rules the universe lives by, all logic, all reason. A highly convenient child like thought construct that has zero supporting evidence.
A house getting created is very different then the big bang. Just like a mountain being created is very different then a house being created.
The best thing about science is it does not claim to be 100% correct, it is constantly improving, self checking, creating new advancements that improve all our lives greatly and on and on. Where as religions change at a glacial pace (but they definitely change!) It claims to be 100 percent correct. Even though everyone knows the bible is written, edited, printed, translated by humans. That religious leaders are humans. 100% correct, God and the bible always the same? Even you must admit that is most definitely not true.
God did not reveal himself in his word or in Jesus Christ. Nor did he reveal him self to you. You read a heavily edited/translated book that talks about these things. Listened to your family and religious leaders about god revealing him self. As for revealing him self in creation. Any thought process can claim that. The rainbow farting unicorn god reveals him self in "creation." I say I am a god, I reveal my self to you in "creation." (I do not really believe I am a god, I do not believe in any god.)
Most atheist could care less. Atheist here on an atheist debate board care more. The atheist republic banner on the top of every page says "We are not just atheist, we are atheist that give a shit" Just like many Christians rarely think about god, barely go to church and avoid the subject. They are to busy, they say their christian as a path of least resistance etc. In the last several centuries regular (weekly) attendance to church is way way down.
Why are we worried about Christians? Because they increasingly are trying to control our lives. making it mandatory to put "in god we trust" on all our currency a couple of decades ago, the 10 commandments in most court rooms. The increasingly disappearing separation of church and state. Many Christians utter infatuation in controlling women's bodies. The list goes on and on.
Atheist/agnostics do have conventions, but they do not just stand around talking about how they hate god. There is no atheist churches. The definition of atheist and church do not mix, the definition of church involves words like: "faith" and "god" and a shared belief system beyond a simple single negative.
I don't hate god. That would require belief in god. Plenty makes sense w/o god, actually to me many more things make lots more sense. You are assuming you know all about atheist when it is apparent you have a very informed view of atheist that fits your "atheist are very angry mislead people" view.
There is no reality? Uh..yes there is, and that does not prove your "god idea." We can account for morality just fine. Right is right in the eye of the beholder. We all already know this. Who says atheist cannot account for rationality logic and intelligence because of our world view? I am an atheist, I can account for this in my world view just fine. I just proved you wrong it does not involve the theistic world view at all. Plus their is plenty of theist views where god is not the creator of morality. Plenty of examples of theist views where the world still does not make sense, life has no meaning etc.
No we don't. I am happy to admit I am not 100% sure there is no god, I just based on the overwhelming evidence can see that man created god, versus arguably zero evidence god created man. I am able to be incredibly confident that it is the first scenario, where man created the god idea. So confident that I do not fear any god (I regularly challenge them to smite me dead or prove me wrong at any time, have been doing so for decades,) and that I will miss out on heaven and end up in hell for all eternity. I happily risk my life and any possible afterlife because my confidence that there is no god (especially like your god,) is so great. That does not require infinite knowledge. That is simply common sense. You know the sun will rise tomorrow due to incredible evidence for that outcome, and near zero evidence against that outcome.
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The rest of your stuff is bible quotes. Trying to prove your god with a heavily edited book written and printed by humans is beyond foolish, I wont waste my time arguing bible quotes. It is like arguing with a 7 year old it is past bed time when its 2am and they have to get up for school at 6am.