Question:
@ Peter
Thanks for answering.
- "therefore if the same Spirit enter into the human body in the 21st century, then the age of the human become the age of the Holy Spirit"
Do you mean, not just as old as when Jesus walked on Earth, but as old as the creator of the universe?
This is the first time I ever heard of something like that. How do you know this?
I assume that you are saying that the Holy Spirit entered into your body in the way that you describe. How do you know that is what has happened?
Answer:
Thank you for taking time to read & asking more clarity, When JESUS was here on earth He said to Jews, Before Abraham was, I'm in John 8:58 because of the fact that the Holy Spirit that exist even before Adam was ENTERED into Mary and Jesus was born and claimed as he was calculating his age based on the age of the Holy Spirit.
The same Provision was made available to the Christians on the day of Pentecost but the issue now is that the Christians who haven't received the Holy Spirit into their physical body but believes that the Holy Spirit indwells them which's just a believe but not real, if it's real then they would be able to describe as I described. Also Christians are asked to be a Witnesses in Acts 1:8 which invalidates their position as believers but nobody claims themselves as witnesses therefore they're not having a sense to claim as i described.
How do I know this? Good. I know because of my positions are these as Sinner, believer, serious believer then now I'm a witness of Jesus, so what prompted me to turn to be a witness from a serious believer?
Believe is an element of mind that function in brain, when I consider the instruction of CHRIST in the NT, I noticed his instruction is explicit that one must be a witness, not just a believer, if so I ponder that one can only become a witness by the reception of the Holy Spirit into the physical body. During my Bible study I discovered that the words of CHRIST is all about to make one to be a witness, when I have taken those words into my mind for a particular time I could not take a final call on those subjects b/c it seems contradictory such as believe & witness but I was firm there must be a breakthrough and i waited patiently with a faith on my LORD and after some days I realised there's a threat to the stability of mind in brain.
One fine morning I felt there's a quenching of Spirit in my head which was unprecedented and the Spirit departs like a water wave from my head but I was firm on my faith on my LORD as usual but suddenly I felt the threat to the stability increased and few times i tried to control there in the brain which has balancing capability but all those I never know before but the threat to stability gone too far beyond my control and suddenly I knelt and prayed an emergency prayer to my LORD, when I get up from kneeling there's Spirit depart from my head at the same time there's another Spirit ENTER into my physical body as an injection enters into the body which led me near to the well wherein there was a bucket of water was waiting and I led to take some water through my hands and poured out on my head and suddenly there was a sound like click, my stability restored back to normal as everything happened in a time of twinkling of an eye.
Few seconds I was led by the Holy Spirit to carry out these in my physical body and I know there's GOD indwells me and made me His temple fulfilling lot of scriptures from the Bible but I was thinking patiently for so many years, is there anybody ever gone through such events?
Therefore I know explicitly that there's GOD exist who became a man on this earth by name JESUS and I can prove by repeating what He did back then that's what He documented in Revelation so as to prepare a way for His return and I know pretty well that there's no power can destroy me as the temple of God as evidence that might be tested & verified. That's a reason i came to Atheist Republic to register my Proof of God of the Bible exist as I do with all other media.
Even if I have chance to describe in any Atheist forums or any other I'm ready to do it and Prove.
Thank you Again.
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Hi Peter
Thank you for the answer to my questions.
The Pragmatic:
- "Do you mean, not just as old as when Jesus walked on Earth, but as old as the creator of the universe? ... How do you know this?"
- "I assume that you are saying that the Holy Spirit entered into your body in the way that you describe. How do you know that is what has happened?"
Peter:
"...I felt there's a quenching of Spirit in my head... ...at the same time there's another Spirit ENTER into my physical body as an injection enters into the body... ...and suddenly there was a sound like click... ...I was led by the Holy Spirit to carry out these in my physical body and I know there's GOD indwells me....
Therefore I know explicitly that there's GOD exist who became a man on this earth by name JESUS..."
Thank you for the description.
However, to try to clarify what I mean by "to know something":
I can claim to know that the Earth is a spherical planet. But how do I know?
Because of the large amount of available evidence (photos, videos), because it matches the Earth's shadow on the Moon, it fits in with how all other physical objects in space above a certain size is spherical (the moon, the sun, stars, other planets), and during my own travels I have seen the curvature of Earth, I also know people who have been to multiple places around the Planet who have not reported anything to the contrary. (The list goes on...)
I would say that I'm a 100% sure that the Earth is a spherical object. (At least if I exclude a small percentage of doubt for the philosophical arguments like "I could be in a simulated world", "the entire world could be a conspiracy around yourself", etc.)
So my question becomes:
You say you felt "...another Spirit ENTER into my physical body as an injection enters into the body...", "...there was a sound like click...", "I was led by the Holy Spirit to carry out these in my physical body and I know there's GOD indwells me..."
Many others, from various different religions, have had similar experiences.
Ex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJMSU8Qj6Go&feature=youtu.be&t=46
How do you know that when you felt a spirit enter your body and you were led by the Holy Spirit, it was the "the LORD", and specifically the lord of the Bible and not some other god?
- "...and I can prove by repeating what He did back then..."
Are you claiming that you can reproduce the claimed miracles of Jesus?
Additionally, can I ask to what denomination do you adhere?
Thanks for your elaborated questions, JESUS was like any other man in his days but he was God and during the creation he existed as a Spirit who's not bound by time and space as described in the Bible.
I know b/c that's what happened in my physical body as the result of reading the Bible, its not a one day event but the result of so many months pondering. Therefore I know that the Holy Spirit as described in the Bible.
Quenching of the Spirit is normal when some one dies but it's not yet described by anyone b/c there's none gone to such an extent and restored back to life, so as to report how does death takes place. So there's departure of Spirit then body dies, if anybody deny existence of Spirit then they can consider consciousness or mind in the place of Spirit, thus if the Spirit or consciousness EXITS then body dies as it happens every moment and the same is VICE VERSA there's a Holy Spirit made available in the earth that might ENTER into the body as arrival, so as to rescue at the point of death,that's possible only with a God of the Holy Bible.
As it has been explained by JESUS to an expert called Nicodemus who asked, how is it possible to be born again, when Jesus said you must be BORN AGAIN, In John 3:8 Jesus explained a Wind the blows as it wishes you heat only the noise but don't know where it's COMES from or where it's GOES to, you can notice the word COMES & GOES as this's what happens when the Spirit of man GOES out then immediately the Holy Spirit COMES in an individual so as to be Born Again which's a proof of God because Born Again never Dead Again. Please note John 3:5, where Jesus pointed Water & Spirit plays a vital role and the same happened as Proof.
As these TWO events might happen one by one or one after another as there's no time gap between these two as in the case of a computer connected to the UPS, when power from main source cut off then immediately power form UPS enter into the computer and keep it alive as there's no year between 2000 & 2001.
You brought an example of Spherical earth that's good, please note you said that you have hand on experience and also from others which confirms that the earth is spherical, similarly the God existence might be known individually and the same if happen to others that can also be verified but the issue is GOD is Spirit as of now and invisible, therefore you can come to know the invisible God only through your invisible faculties like Believe, which's an element of mind function in brain and if that function comes to an end then there's a quenching begins from the head leading the mind to exit and in stead mind of God can enter and keep alive. This's why the Bible says the physical body of Christian is a temple of God that cant be destroyed like JESUS. Therefore the NT calls everyone to believe so as to receive the Holy Spirit as a result of believe but unfortunately christians are just believers for a long time falsely b/c either Bible or CHRIST didn't ask anybody to be a believer as it's not being understood by the Christians who are really nominal Christians and there're millions of ex-Christians who became an Atheists now. Thus there's a possibility to receive Holy Spirit personally so as to come to know God exist as you came to know personally the earth is spherical. But Atheists are failed to believe therefore they have no evidence of God, Evidence of God is the result of believe, thereafter no necessary to be a believer but eventually one might become a witness of God as of me.
Finally you say many others from so many different religions have similar experiences. As this's what many argue with me but i would like to ask something, is there anybody come forward claiming to be a witnesses of their gods? if so., Is there any of their sacred books asked them to repeat any of the acts of their gods in the future in case of demand of Proof?
There's none as of now in 21st century or in the past or shall be in the future from any Religion either from Hindus, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism etc.,but only Judea Christianity, rest of the religions were based on belief which's false but Judea Christianity is not based on belief but based on EVIDENCE as we're witnesses because of evidences and also scheduled to repetition CHRIST. For example., Christ did so many miracles but all of those were already done by the early Apostles but there're few items they didn't but left to us now in 21st century so as to accomplish.,
1. Jesus challenged death in John 2:19 Which early apostles didn't that we as witnesses of Christ would do in the 21st century.
2. Jesus resurrected from death after 3 days as early apostles didn't resurrect but we as witnesses of Christ would do in 21st century
3.Jesus has ascended to heaven as early apostles didn't ascended but we as witnesses of Christ would do in 21st century.
4.Being Born Again we never Dead Again as Immortals & would do everything as per Revelation 11 in the times to come.
This's how we would do repetition of CHRIST and there's none from any Religion can repeat equivalent to what Christ did and we shall do in near future.
I attend Brethren Church rooted from Plymouth UK but further rooted back to Matthew 16:18 & now live in S.India. You can also watch my interaction with Jewish Rabbi in Jerusalem recently at https://youtu.be/8O4tTnt0wx8
Thanks for taking time. Good bye.
Peter: Are the Sistren allowed to attend Brethren Church? Do they have to remain quiet?
"Brethren Church rooted from Plymouth UK "
The Plymouth Brethren (aka Exclusive Brethren) were always in the tabloids in England when I was a kid. They'd brainwash someone into joining and then cut them off from their families. Nasty people.
I'm belongs to Plymouth Brethren rooted from UK but what did u say about exclusive brethren which's nothing to do with my Church here in S.India. Though I'm from Brethren Church but only TWO of us Being witnesses of Christ as per Revelation 11 and don't encourage anybody to join with us because gate to the heaven has been closed. Therefore don't worry you're not allowed.
All are welcome to the brethren Church & females have to remain quiet but sing a songs & share their testimony. We have even space for Animals.
Hi
You answered about the youtube link below.
I'll answer that here before I continue:
- "I listened to the video and it's nothing to do with what I said in my replies, there's no group willing to say that their god turned them to be an Immortal and challenge the power of death as we witnesses of Christ do so as to REPEAT what Christ did back then. I can simply dismiss these stories are absolutely never come close to the NT truth or to us."
Your right, but that wasn't the point i was trying to make. Everyone in the video is conviced of their beliefs. They are "sure" it is true. They "know" it is true.
Can all of them be correct?
To continue.
- "I know b/c that's what happened in my physical body as the result of reading the Bible"
As the people in the video, you're describing a personal event that took place in your mind. Nothing outside of your mind could percieve what happened. As I understand it, the spirit you felt enter/leave your body didn't introduce itself. You're not saying your god spoke to you and said "I am your God, Yahweh.", your not saying you saw Jesus ascend from heaven infront of you.
You say it happened as a result of reading the Bible. How do you know that it specifically was from reading the Bible? Did the spirit eminate from the Bible?
If you would hear a story about someone who was deeply immersed in, for example Buddhist teachings and studied meditation for months, then felt a strange sensation or had some form of vision. And this person would then describe how that experience was due to Buddhism.
Do you think such a person would actually know that it's true, or believe it's true because how the human mind works?
Do you see that from my perspective, it seems likely that you interpret what happend as something part of your religion even if it wasn't? Do you think it possible that you were hallucinating? How can an experience like that be differenciated from a hallucination?
- "You brought an example of Spherical earth that's good, please note you said that you have hand on experience and also from others which confirms that the earth is spherical..."
Yes, I did.
My own experience can convince me to a high degree. But I'm also aware that I have been mistaken about things many times. My own experience of a single event, is not at all that reliable.
Also note that from others who confirms that the Earth is spherical, we are talking about several people observing the same physical and visible object. That is not the case in religious matters, as you yourself say: "you can come to know the invisible God only through your invisible faculties like Believe, which's an element of mind function in brain"
No one can observe what happened inside your mind and you cannot observe what happend in anyone elses.
And in my experience, if believers are narrowing down the details, they are never the same. The experiences or the interpreted "truth" are only similar in broad strokes, but the details differ. Just as if they where made up or hallucinated.
- "is there anybody come forward claiming to be a witnesses of their gods? if so., Is there any of their sacred books asked them to repeat any of the acts of their gods in the future in case of demand of Proof?"
Depending on your definition of the world "witness", yes there are various individuals within different beliefs and various cults of different religions. But I don't see how that has anything to do with how you can be more sure than anyone else claiming to have had personal experiences of a supernatural kind, as for example the others in the video.
- "rest of the religions were based on belief which's false but Judea Christianity is not based on belief but based on EVIDENCE as we're witnesses because of evidences and also scheduled to repetition CHRIST."
What you call evidence, is unreliable hearsay for anyone who does not already believe in the Bible to begin with. It does not qualify for the use of the words Evidence of Proof. And all other religions also claim that the others are false and theirs is the only one that is true.
If you could prove that the Bible is accurate and true, you could claim that what Jesus did was some form of evidence.
But I can't see that you are providing anything more as to how you could actually know, than all the others who claim to be sure in other beliefs.
Thanks for your response and I made explanations which's far enough to differentiate my arguments from the rest of the religious arguments & claims but it seems still you're not figured it out. Thus I would like to elaborate.
Here's what you said: Your right, but that wasn't the point i was trying to make. Everyone in the video is convinced of their beliefs. They are "sure" it is true. They "know" it is true.
Can all of them be correct?
"Everyone in the video is convinced of their beliefs, they're sure it's true". If they're SURE it's true then why do they have still beliefs, why don't they project themselves as witnesses of truth? Belief needed only in the absent of Proof or Truth, therefore they're absolutely false on their positions.
You said, As the people in the video, you're describing a personal event that took place in your mind. Nothing outside of your mind could percieve what happened.....
You have experienced the earth is Spherical and others also had it as proof, that's good but similarly the Spirit of God was made available to everyone who believes so as to receive into their physical body and come to know God exist but issue is that only happened to me and the same can also happen to everyone if they position themselves like me but nobody is doing it that's what prevented them to know GOD exist. As you experienced earth is spherical and the same also can be experienced by others b/c they can also do what you did, that's what make them to know earth is spherical by themselves.
I know my spirit was not holy but unholy, how do I know? b/c there were many unholy things emanated from me, therefore I tried to pacify reading Bible which ultimately led my spirit to exit from my body but I prayed as an emergency prayer to the Biblical God, JESUS that prompted the Holy Spirit entered into my physical body from outside who exist as God everywhere, therefore I know my Spirit was replaced with a Holy Spirit and now indwells me, therefore anybody can check if that's true or false based on the Biblical provision.
Since God is a Spirit, talk only through men who're chosen and also there's nothing needed God to speak b/c He had already spoken in the Bible, there's nothing left so as to speak. Yes, as a result of reading Bible it might happen b/c Bible have the mind of God, if you're able to understand properly they can come to know there's God. There're people who were many years Christians but turned to be an Atheists because they didn't understand the Bible which I can prove if they sit across the table with me.
You brought Buddhism & their sensation which they experience and say it's true but I don't agree because of those experiences are incapable to change their position as mortal, whereas the Bible can change mortal man into an Immortal like JESUS who resurrected from death, that's the reason no religion can come close to the truth of Judea Christianity.
Hallucination is something happen while sleeping or in a sleepy situation that's nothing to do with a real events that takes place while in clear conscience. You keep on referring experiences which's nothing to do with events as I described, therefore please make sure the difference between experiences & events.
If there's any evidence then that has to be supported by precedents either written document about personalities or events so as to repeat because repeatability is what determines a claim to be a truth in an analytical experiment, therefore there must be document that should predict the situation in demand and the provision to meet those demands, as of now there's demand for God evidence but only the Holy Bible have a provision to meet the demand, having personalities to repeat what has been did by Jesus back then so as to repeat presently as Proof.
Therefore, no religious person claim witness of their gods, no religious document provide a provision to repeat what their alleged gods did back then so as to repeat now, but only Judea Christianity having these facilities so as to establish Proof. Thus proves all religions are false except Judea Christianity.
As I pointed earlier, if you want proof of God who's invisible as of now then you have to approach only through an invisible faculties, therefore believe is the only way which functions in the brain so as to come to know evidence if you're not utilising your invisible faculty in search of an invisible God then you have to wait & watch when GOD of the Bible ascend personally from heaven to the mount Olivet.
For example : If I ask your date of birth u would probably given some date but I can argue your dob is not true, forged, etc.,b/c you have no proof by yourself, you should have to depend some of the records from hospitals, parents or relatives, how do you know those records are true? Therefore there's no other way than to accept either of one o the other, after all you're alive that proves you were born once irrespective of document proof, therefore if you believe it or not, I have God of the Bible Proof which you can test & verify as true or untrue, then why do you bother what I'm saying of the Holy Bible?
You close with a word of "belief" in my point of explanation, there's no place for belief when I have evidence, therefore whoever may be or what ever religion may be if it's based on belief then it's not true, that's why I said Judea Christianity is based on evidence so it's the only True Religion.
Finally, Jesus demonstrated Immortality by resurrect from death and the same shall be repeated that's why He made available His two witnesses and I'm one of them and also stated in detail in he book of Revelation 11, how to go about and accomplish things so as to prepare a way for His return & the climax of this world, until that happen no power can destroy me, being a witness of JESUS, if anybody wants to try on me, they're welcome to try but in the vicinity of the whole world in accordance with Revelation 11:5 at any time anywhere in the world as Proof of God of the Bible.
@ Peter
You keep coming back to that you are a "witness", as if that gives you a higher status than others.
But from my perspective:
- You have a belief, just as others have beliefs in other religions.
- Your belief lacks proof / evidence, just as much as theirs do.
- You make claims, just as they do.
That you are a "witness" is just another claim, and from the perspective of others it gives you no more credebility whatsoever.
The beliefs of others may not even include the concept "witness" as you use it. The beliefs of others may include other concepts that they deem is more important than your "witness" concept.
Such claimed status as being a "witness" is irrelevant if you can not provide anything to prove it with. And it most certainly is irrelevant to the question I'm asking.
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What I am asking is "How do you know?".
By that I mean that "knowing" is that you are sure to a very high degree, somewhere in the range of 85-100% sure. Most people who say that they "know" something, especially people of faith, will say that they are 100% sure, sometimes more.
I'm wondering "how do you know it was the Holy Spirit that entered your body?"
- It could have been imagination.
- It could have been a dream.
- It could have been a hallucination.
- It could have been willful delusion.
- It could have been any other supernatural event or entity.
Can you be sure what it was the Holy Spirit?
Since your answers often include references to the Bible,
I'm also wondering "How do you know that the Bible is accurate and true?"
- It could be just a collection of folklore, myths and superstitious nonsense.
- It could be lies by people who created it to rule over others.
- It could be partially historically correct, except for all the supernatural claims.
- It could be a combination of all of the above.
How do you know that the Bible is true?
So far, your answers does not provide anything more compelling than any other believers.
First & Foremost you should have to understand that I have no belief as of now, when I'm saying myself as a Witness of God of the Bible/JESUS CHRIST then how do you compare me with other Religious beliefs? If I don't have evidence then obviously I should have only belief which was my earlier position, therefore I know how do I become a Witness of God which I already explained to you but you're not understanding & accepting.
How do you know?
Fine, as this also I explained that the RESULT of reading Bible and Believing in Christ is what made me a witness of God, the Bible has been read by millions as there're many participate in the race but only one or two shall be crowned, same way the reception of the HOLY SPIRIT into the physical body happens only to those who understand perfectly., and also I can prove those who study the Bible were not understand perfectly.
Therefore I know the HOLY SPIRIT as God entered into my physical body and indwells that might be proven the way CHRIST did back then in 1st century, Jews insisted JESUS for a sign despite He explained many times about the kingdom of God, even then they're keen on SIGN as you're now insisting Evidence but when you unable to understand my explanation, then obviously I can only say what CHRIST did in John 2:19.
He said, destroy this temple, I'll rebuild in 3 days referring His physical body and the same I can say now, destroy my physical body as described in Revelation 11:5, if I'm hurt then obviously you are right but if I'm unhurt then you would come to know that God as the Holy Spirit entered into my body and indwells as this's what a physical demonstration that determines the Proof of God.
The HOLY BIBLE was written by various peoples at various times but inspired by GOD, apply to all times but all those mentioned in the Bible is not apply to one time or one group of People, therefore if you want to know the entire Biblical account is right, then you should have to focus Bible pertaining to your time which's simple and easy to understand the entire bible account is true. Issue is people like you take all those data of the Bible while forget the present, thus you failed to understand the Bible so as to come to know the Bible is true, the message of the Bible is to Turn mortal man into an Immortal so as to demonstrate God b/c nobody can become Immortal except those study diligently the Holy Bible and succeed.
As I said earlier I have no belief so as to believe, if you failed to differentiate a believer of God from a witness of God is your inability which I can explain some extent, if you still insist then there's no other way than to challenge like CHRIST, that's what a solution, speaking for a long time only make issues contentious which I'm not interested, however I respect your concerns which's nothing to do with a reality of God of the Bible existence.
I'll just leave this discussion with a quote.
If some one is incapable to understand an evidence of God or the logic, then what sort of evidence or logic would they accept?
Thanks for the discussion.
I have no idea, but I bet a god would know.
Peter, I do not believe in any gods. I do not believe that Jesus ever existed. Your attempt to distinguish between believers and witnesses falls flat with me. A believer or a witness to a fairy tale each look the same to me. You , though have the special qualities of a person who I would not want to be in near proximity to.
I respect your position I'm not insist anybody to believe or accept what I'm saying but evidence is what matter which you & like minded failed to understand but thanks for the discussion.
By the way I listened to your youtube ref but come back to you on that, Thank you.
Hi Friend,
I listened to the video and it's nothing to do with what I said in my replies, there's no group willing to say that their god turned them to be an Immortal and challenge the power of death as we witnesses of Christ do so as to REPEAT what Christ did back then. I can simply dismiss these stories are absolutely never come close to the NT truth or to us.
Peter : You have a very active imagination. However , I am not compelled to believe you. Frankly , your story is ridiculous.
Thanks anyway, I'm not invite anybody even if you believe what I'm saying b/c it's not necessary at this point of time. I gave Proof of God, it's unto you or anyone to ponder, i'm not worry about u accept or reject.
Peter: Your "proof" is nothing but your imagination.
Its a Proof anybody can test & verify that would be known to you as well as to the world if it's proof or Imagination. Thanks.
Imagination for sure!
So, you don't to test & verify the Proof? if so that's what an Intelligence hypocrisy is all about. Try to be a human rather than a chimp.
Peter: You are also a cousin to the chimp. It is a far more noble heritage than being an inbred relative of Noah's.
Apparently, you have no idea what "proof' means.
Well I wouldn't condone you testing to see if you can be destroyed (sounds pretty dangerous). But if you think you are capable of a less dangerous display, such as your skin turning away a hypodermic needle, that would be interesting to test! Let me guess: your magic powers don't work like that (and I predict instead of you detailing what you can and can not do with your magic powers, you will instead go on a rant about how they are not magic powers!).
Personally I think you are mentally ill. I recommend going to see a psychiatrists and telling them what you have told us (that no power can destroy you).
I'm sorry my friend, you need to read Revelation 11:5 7 act accordingly, when you are on the war field then you are not suppose to think of dangerous or safe. So many people says like u said to meet psychiatrists and some Atheists even booked me with a psychic clinic and I met many psychiatrists who listened carefully when I explain these vents but they said that it's interesting but refuse to give me letter or certify me as mentally ill here in S.India , if there's any psychiatrists anywhere you can also connect me so as to appraise. But I enjoyed their meetings b/c they're not the people simply certify me as you & other Atheists do.
Do you what's psychic re-orientation? or Mind or Consciousness Transplant? Please learn which's like eye transplant or organ transplant but possible only by the God of the Holy Bible that would turn mortal into an Immortal that's has to be notified by the world in the times to come.
Thank you.
why don't you tell us exactly what your magic powers entail? What exactly can you demonstrate?
Christ did so many miracles but all of those were already done by the early Apostles but there're few items they didn't but left to us now in 21st century so as to accomplish.,
1. Jesus challenged death in John 2:19 Which early apostles didn't that we as witnesses of Christ would do in the 21st century.
2. Jesus resurrected from death after 3 days as early apostles didn't resurrect but we as witnesses of Christ would do in 21st century
3.Jesus has ascended to heaven as early apostles didn't ascended but we as witnesses of Christ would do in 21st century.
4.Being Born Again we never Dead Again as Immortals & would do everything as per Revelation 11 in the times to come.
Could you maybe try to answer the question?
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