Factually incorrect to say acts like these can be seen in many species

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Jennie Dardis's picture
Factually incorrect to say acts like these can be seen in many species

God doesn't hate Gays, he hates the act because it's abnormal & immoral.

To this atheists say homosexual acts can be found in many species.

Well, let me tell you. It’s factually incorrect to say acts like these can be seen in many species. Also even if that were true it wouldn’t matter humans have sex/procreate by choice & for pleasure other species by instinct it’s apples & oranges.

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freeatlast's picture
As a gay, atheist male who

As a gay, atheist male who knows your imaginary friend doesn't exist, I couldn't give a shit what you think he thinks of the act. Abnormal and immoral? Cupcake, you need to get out more. Sexuality is not black and white, there are many shades of grey in between. Comments like yours are usually made by someone battling with their own sexuality. If you think sex between straight people is always normal and moral you are in for a rude awakening. Do a bit of research and a whole new world will open up for you. It's your religion and your believe in someone or something that doesn't exist that is keeping you from realizing that sex between members of the same sex is as natural and moral as anything you think is normal. My partner and I have been together and faithful to each other for 22 years now. I can count the number of straight couples I know who can say the same on less than one hand.

mykcob4's picture
@ Jennie

@ Jennie
You want to discriminate against gays for what reason? Gays don't have a choice of who they are any more than you have a choice of who you are. If you don't understand that, you lack the basic understanding of science.
You're right god doesn't hate gays because there is no god to hate gays. Only god believers hate gays among other people. Christians have no idea what morality is. They spew that they are moral yet spread hate and prejudice against the most vulnerable people of society.

You have no idea about nature either. there are plenty of species that have sex for pleasure and for no other reason. Dolphins for one.
https://sciencing.com/animals-besides-humans-mate-pleasure-8390317.html

freeatlast's picture
Oh yes, as far as homosexual

Oh yes, as far as homosexual acts between other species are concerned I suggest you turn to Google and check your facts. No need to be si ignorant in the 21st century.

Diotrephes's picture
Jennie Dardis,

Jennie Dardis,

There is no "God" creature of any kind in this solar system.

Most higher level animals try to regulate which members of their species can have sex with other members of their species.

Algebe's picture
Oh dear. Here we have yet

Oh dear. Here we have yet another repressed Christian closet gay trying to quieten his/her own inner demons by attacking others.

I don't care what gays do. I don't care what other animals do. It doesn't affect me, and it's certainly none of my business or yours.

Jennie Dardis's picture
Yes it does effect you, you

Yes it does effect you, you could get aids.

Nyarlathotep's picture
Jennie Dardis - Yes it does

Jennie Dardis - Yes it does effect you, you could get aids.

If you think he is going to get an STI from other people having sex; you should ask your parent to explain to you about the birds and the bees, because you don't seem to understand how it works.

freeatlast's picture
Jennie, this is my last reply

Jennie, this is my last reply to your original post and I agree with the person above who feels you are dumb by choice. There are many, many more straight than gay people who have aids. You think aids is a gay disease? Back to basics for you, sorry dear.

Algebe's picture
Your ignorance is impressive.

Your ignorance is impressive. AIDS is spread by promiscuity and unsafe sex, including both gay and straight sex, or by sharing needles. I'm not promiscuous, and my only drug habits are caffeine and alcohol. How about you?

Algebe's picture
@Jennie Dardis: "Yes it does

@Jennie Dardis: "Yes it does effect you, you could get aids."

I don't usually comment on people's grammar and usage errors, but you tried to correct me, so I'll return the favor.

First, AIDS is an acronym for "acquired immune deficiency syndrome". It should be written in capital letters. "You could get aids" means "you could obtain devices to help you achieve a purpose, usually sexual gratification." Note that if the aid is a person it's usually spelt in the French way ("aide").

"Affect" and "effect" are difficult words to use correctly. "Affect" is a verb meaning "to influence". You should have said "Yes, it does affect you." Less commonly, "affect" can mean to pretend, as in "He affected righteous anger" meaning that he pretended to be angry to cover up another emotion. That's a useful word when discussing Christian indignation against pornography, etc. "Affect" is also used as a noun in psychology, but I'm not qualified to explain that.

"Effect" is both a noun and a verb. As a noun it means the result of the action of affecting. If something affects me, it has an effect on me. It's used in science to mean a phenomenon resulting from other factors, such as the "placebo effect" in medicine. As a verb "effect" means to cause something to happen, as in "They effected their escape." So AIDS most certainly does not effect me or anyone else.

Most of the people in this forum are very well educated and probably know more about your silly religion than you do. If you want to argue effectively with us, I'd suggest that you learn to write first.

Aposteriori Unum's picture
What if I find some examples

What if I find some examples of homosexuality outside of homo sapiens? That would falsify your entire argument right?

Nyarlathotep's picture
The OP tells us that humans

The OP tells us that humans have sex for pleasure but non-human animals have it by instinct; but that is just a rephrasing of the same statement. Humans don't choose to magically transform sex into something pleasurable, it already was.

And the statement that non-human animals don't engage in homosexuality is just ludicrous. Anyone with internet access who believes that is dumb on purpose.

Aposteriori Unum's picture
"And the statement that non

"And the statement that non-human animals don't engage in homosexuality is just ludicrous. Anyone with internet access who believes that is dumb on purpose."

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Sheldon's picture
"God doesn't hate Gays, he

"God doesn't hate Gays, he hates the act because it's abnormal & immoral. To this atheists say homosexual acts can be found in many species."

I don't believe in a deity or deities as no one has demonstrated proper evidence for them, so I don't care what your opinion is of what you think your version of the one you've chosen to believe in wants. Also it is science not atheists that demonstrated evidence that sows that homosexuality is natural, that is it say it is ubiquitous in nature. This scientific fact has nothing whatsoever to do with atheism, that's just you revealing right from the off that you have an axe to grind, more than one by the look of it, and again I couldn't care less, your prejudices are your problem. You assert that being gay is immoral, but offer no evidence to support your assertion so it gets Hitchens' razor and is rejected without evidence as it was presented without any.

"Well, let me tell you. It’s factually incorrect to say acts like these can be seen in many species. "

"From a scientific perspective, all homosexual behaviour is biological. Homosexual behaviour is ubiquitous throughout the animal kingdom. It occurs in numerous species from worms to primates, including the Utah state bird, the seagull (Read). Bonobos (previously called pygmy chimpanzees) are one of human’s closest cousins, sharing nearly 99 percent of our DNA. Nearly all bonobos are bisexual, and some engage in homosexual behaviour almost hourly"

The simple fact is that homosexuality is a natural normal derivative of human adult sexual desire, and between consenting adults it harms no one. To deny a person to live and be free to express who and what they are through simple bigotry speaks for itself. It is harmful and pernicious and one of the many deeply harmful things religions preach from adherence to moronic and archaic dogma. Yet we seldom see Fred Phelps's progeny waving placards condemning and demanding a moratorium on eating shellfish and wearing blended fabrics. So we can add rank hypocrisy to the charges of immoral bigotry, and moronic stupidity to people who espouse their religiously motivated homophobia.

I don't really care whether it is natural or not, though is demonstrably is natural, since we drive cars, use computers and fly in planes and none of those are natural, immorality is not contingent on whether something is natural or not. After all incest, cannibalism, and infanticide are all demonstrably natural as they are ubiquitous in nature and I doubt even a hateful bigot who condemns people because they happen to be gay would defend those natural behaviours.

And can I just say as a married heterosexual male, take your vile bile filled hatred to a church where they'll lap it up, while sententiously lecturing everyone to love their enemies.

xenoview's picture
Jennie Dardis

Jennie Dardis
Why do you dislike gays? Because your bible tells you too? Can you prove that gay sex is abnormal and immoral? Female chimps trade sex for food, and have sex with both male and female chimps that have higher social status.

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Basileus biggus the Great 's picture
The gay is strong in this one

The gay is strong in this one.

mykcob4's picture
BTW Jennie

BTW Jennie
If the character jesus actually lived he was a black homosexual homeless person than ran a gang of minor theives and beggers.

Mohammad Ali 's picture
@Jennie Dardis

@Jennie Dardis
Discriminating against a person because of his/her sexuality is just like discriminating against a black person just for being black, or a white person just for being white.It is NOT a choice and it is NOT immoral either, in fact it has nothing to do with morality.Moreover, what two consenting adults do in private is none of your business.It's as simple as that.Leave them alone.
And do you really think it is a choice?Really?

Pitar's picture
Baited, hooked, landed, flip

Baited, hooked, landed, flip-flopping and gasping for oxygen, every respondent in this thread is already dead to the OP. Continue to hone your defenses for grins, or just retire from the thread because it started out unworthy of your time. Nothing to see here.

Gnostic Christian Bishop's picture
I hear you but do not agree.

I hear you but do not agree.

It is unworthy for sure, but lurkers who might agree with our friend should see some of the logic against his POV.

For evil to grow, all good people need do is ignore the evil ones.

The more he replies, the worse he will look and lurkers deserve to see that.

Regards
DL

Sheldon's picture
"Baited, hooked, landed, flip

"Baited, hooked, landed, flip-flopping and gasping for oxygen, every respondent in this thread is already dead to the OP. Continue to hone your defenses for grins, or just retire from the thread because it started out unworthy of your time. Nothing to see here."

It was clearly a troll of course, but I'm not sure I can agree that it is ever a waste of time to publicly and loudly condemn bigotry and homophobia.

Algebe's picture
@Sheldon" "It was clearly a

@Sheldon" "It was clearly a troll of course"

I don't think so. Trolls usually come and go (pun intended). This one bounced back with an even sillier comment than the OP, so I'm guessing that he/she/it is still lurking and reading our responses. We should try to make the experience as educational and memorable as possible. Every seed of doubt planted is another brick out of the wall of religion. (Excuse the mixed metaphor.)

Gnostic Christian Bishop's picture
"God doesn't hate Gays, he

"God doesn't hate Gays, he hates the act because it's abnormal & immoral."

Firstly. You cannot know anything of the supernatural so your first is wrong.

All you can think you know has been written by men.

Literalists have to go into intellectual dissonance to believe in real talking serpents and donkeys. Right?

Gays are normal people but if you think not. give your argument.

As to immoral, sin requires a victim. Right?

Who are consenting gays victimizing?

Discriminating and denigrating gays without a just cause is immoral. Show the just cause or be seen as immoral.

Regards
DL

chimp3's picture
Does god hate cunnilingus ?

Does god hate cunnilingus ?

CyberLN's picture
Of course she doesn’t!

Of course she doesn’t!

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