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Leviticus 20-9 - Anyone who

Leviticus 20-9 - Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head.

Anything in Leviticus 20 (punishment for sins) quickly routes the theist to show his heals.

Chica__2009's picture
Interesting choice. What do

Interesting choice. What do you mean by "show his heals"?

Tin-Man's picture
He means, Chica, that most of

He means, Chica, that most of you will turn and run away from the debate, or will work very hard to change the subject of discussion to something else entirely. (Just trying to be helpful.)

Burn Your Bible's picture
“And the Lord came down to

“And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech."”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭11:5-7‬ ‭ESV‬‬
http://bible.com/59/gen.11.5-7.esv

Chica__2009's picture
And that was how God created

And that was how God created languages

Burn Your Bible's picture
If only he had some other

If only he had some other magical way of doing that...

Sirkenstien's picture
God didn't create languages.

God didn't create languages. This is just silly talk.

Chica__2009's picture
No Sirk. It's from the bible.

No Sirk. It's from the bible.

Burn Your Bible's picture
And the Bible means what to

And the Bible means what to anyone??

Sirkenstien's picture
The bible also tells women to

The bible also tells women to be silent.

jonthecatholic's picture
Does it? You're talking about

Does it? You're talking about Paul's letter to the Corinthians, I presume. Context, Sirk. Have you looked into context?

Burn Your Bible's picture
Is the Bible not the

Is the Bible not the infallible word of god spoken from god through human scribes???? Did god allow something in his holy book that he disagrees with?? Was Paul in conflict with god by saying women should stay quite in church??????

Please don't pull this context bullshit, fuck context!

Either the Bible is the direct will of god or it's a made up immoral piece of shit! You can't claim that god willed the Bible then say no Sirk read it in context, that was Paul not god!! Please in what context is it ok to tell an entire sex to keep their mouths shut in church?? In what context is it ok to kill babies yet keep young virgin girls so you can rape them! Theists claim this happy loving god from the Bible yet ignore the immoral teaching from the same god!! If god is the same yesterday today and tomorrow then kiss your Jesus is love assertions goodbye!!!!!!

The Bible is the work of man and the universe is the work of nature! I know it's so scary to think we are just a product of small changes over huge time periods, but too bad! Time to open your eyes and start thinking for ypurselves!!!

jonthecatholic's picture
Please read 1 Cor 11:5. The

Please read 1 Cor 11:5. The same letter from where we get the verse in question (1 Cor. 14:34-35). Chapter 11 verse 5 actually implies that women can speak in church. The language used is "prophesy" which means to speak openly in the congregation.

In what context is it permissible to tell an entire sex to keep their mouths shut? Please read a few verses before the verse in question. Verses 28-32. This isn't a gender specific instruction to keep their mouths shut. Paul, highlighting the women might have come from a pastoral issue in the church in Corinth where the women were especially loud in talking in the church.

Sirkenstien's picture
Yes....that's the go to

Yes....that's the go to argument for distasteful parts of the bible....context context context. Let your yes be yes and your no be no. Seems the bible gets to bend the rules in that regard. I suppose that is out of context as well.

jonthecatholic's picture
Actually, it's very logical

Actually, it's very logical to look at context when reading any literature. Would you consider calling Harper Lee hateful when she wrote "To Kill a Mockingbird" and used a certain word to describe African Americans?

I'll push it one step further.

Would you look at math textbook and say, "this has got to be the worst story ever written! There isn't even a main character!". Of course there wouldn't be a main character! It's a math textbook.

Basics of reading, my friend. Literature is composed of two parts. ALWAYS. Text and Context. This shouldn't be new information.

Sky Pilot's picture
JoC,

JoC,

What is the main idea expressed in the Bible?

jonthecatholic's picture
That’s such a loaded question

That’s such a loaded question. It’s like asking someone to describe the main idea of a library. The books of the Bible are many and varied. Each one has it’s own genre and style and written for a specific purpose.

Short answer? I’d say salvation history.

Sky Pilot's picture
JoC,

JoC,

IMO the main idea expressed in the Bible is the propaganda idea that the Jews are special and that they have an inside link to "God". Consequently they are worthy of being granted special status above everyone else, with the result that billions of people think that they will gain eternal life by believing in a Jewish zombie.

jonthecatholic's picture
Where is that idea expressed

Where is that idea expressed in the Bible? Maybe in the Old Testament to some degree but if you follow the story of salvation history, it climaxes with the the Jews no longer having that "special link" to God as you say. It climaxes with salvation being offered to everyone. Gentile or Jew.

Sky Pilot's picture
JoC,

JoC,

Religion is a big business. The Catholics needed a documented fairy tale to support their business model so they created the Bible. Naturally it had to say that everyone was invited to the party or else they wouldn't get any customers.

jonthecatholic's picture
Where's your proof of this?

Where's your proof of this? Pretty easy to speculate. Not so much to prove it. As for me, the fact that the man, Jesus lived, preached, died, and found a church is the simplest explanation for the founding of Christianity. If you have another theory, I'm all ears.

Sirkenstien's picture
Of course. Even fiction.

Of course. Even fiction.

jonthecatholic's picture
Yes. Even fiction. And even

Yes. Even fiction. And even non-fiction. :)

Sirkenstien's picture
Tell Jonah to wear an oxygen

Tell Jonah to wear an oxygen tank so as not to be overcome by digestive gasses.

jonthecatholic's picture
Actually the story of Jonah

Actually the story of Jonah may be taken as a didactic fiction, a great tale told to establish a religious point. Remember the Bible isn't one book but several with varying writing styles and genres.

But even if you consider this a strained interpretation, you're zooming in on one book. The book of Jonah. The most you can say from your assertion is that Jonah is inaccurate. and that it shouldn't be in the Bible. What then?

Burn Your Bible's picture
yes she is expressing hate

yes she is expressing hate through that word!
Your math analogy is nothing more than bullshit...
When it comes to the BIBLE if this is the true word of god and we are supposed to follow this book in order to avoid eternal torcher don't you think it should be immune to interpretation? Why write a book that is supposed to withstand time itself yet only have it relate to Stone Age people? Why is your god playing hide and seek with billions of people? What makes your interpretation better than someone in the church of Christ? Or a Lutheran?

From what I have gathered most religious people ignore 99% of the Bible and only focus on the nice pretty parts!

jonthecatholic's picture
Admittedly a lot of people do

Admittedly a lot of people do ignore the hard parts of the Bible, which they shouldn't.

When it comes to the BIBLE if this is the true word of god and we are supposed to follow this book in order to avoid eternal torcher don't you think it should be immune to interpretation?
- Really? Consider if the Bible was simply a set of rules of what moral or immoral. No stories, no poems, no prose. Do you think people would listen to that every week in Church? You have to realize that God's word was written through human authors, who had biases and certain styles which are evident in their works.

Why write a book that is supposed to withstand time itself yet only have it relate to Stone Age people?
- I have no idea what version of the Bible you're reading but every time I hear the Bible being read, it still applies to me at that very day. It actually contains hard truths which need to be realized.

Why is your god playing hide and seek with billions of people? What makes your interpretation better than someone in the church of Christ? Or a Lutheran?
- My interpretation of the Bible passage about women being silent in church is actually based on internal evidence. This is also too deep a question, which is actually straying away from the OP. My suggestion to you is this. Listen to different kinds of interpretations of a certain Bible passage. Based on internal evidence, historical evidence, which one makes the most sense? I usually do this when reading about interpretations about passages and when I hear an interpretation, I usually pause and hesitate accepting it until a similar interpretation could be made in the same text. Clues such as style or repetition can be of great help.

Burn Your Bible's picture
Really did you just say that

Really did you just say that a clear guideline from god with what is moral and what isn't moral as well as laws would be too boring for people to follow?????

I know the Bible was written by humans lol

When I read the Bible I read it as a whole not looking for small passages that justify what I already believe!

Also when you say internal evidence you mean your opinion right? So to me even if my opinion differs from facts I still believe the facts... I don't ignore them because I have "internal evidence"

jonthecatholic's picture
Also when you say internal

Also when you say internal evidence you mean your opinion right? So to me even if my opinion differs from facts I still believe the facts... I don't ignore them because I have "internal evidence"

-- Did you not read what I had just cited about women not being allowed to speak in church? By internal evidence, I'm looking at what the text says.

When I read the Bible I read it as a whole not looking for small passages that justify what I already believe!

--Lol. Yes, you do. That's practically all you do.

Burn Your Bible's picture
So because I read the Bible

So because I read the Bible and find it disgusting I look for individual passages?
You read then ask a priest to tell you what it means! I read and make a conclusion based on the Bible... I have read the whole bible and I find all of it immoral and disgusting as a whole, when questioned I relate passages that reflect why I feel the way I do... you however read the nice pretty parts and when it comes to immoral bullshit passages you ignore or make excuses!

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