The Five Stages of God

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CyberLN's picture
"As for "insulting" people.

"As for "insulting" people. If you look at my initial posts I simply politely asked for evidence. When I got bluffing, sarcasm and scorn in response, I gave back as good as I got. If the replies had been "Perhaps I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that ... " or "Okay, it seems that I got this wrong, but here's why I though that ... " my replies would have had a different tone."

This seems to infer that someone other than you is responsible for or has power over how you reply to posts. Interesting.

TimONeill's picture
"This seems to infer that

"This seems to infer that someone other than you is responsible for or has power over how you reply to posts."

Ummm, no. On the contrary, it states quite clearly how I chose to reply and why.

CyberLN's picture
"If the replies had been

"If the replies had been "Perhaps I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that ... " or "Okay, it seems that I got this wrong, but here's why I though that ... " my replies would have had a different tone."

Or: If you had done 'a' then I would not have done 'b'. So, perhaps I was wrong. Apologies. Maybe you were merely caught up in bring reactionary instead.

TimONeill's picture
"Maybe you were merely caught

"Maybe you were merely caught up in bring reactionary instead."

*shrug* I give back what I get. If others are uncivil to me and I respond in kind, why exactly is it *me* who needs to get a lecture? Maybe they should have been civil in the first place. Again, look at my initial posts - I just did so and I lost count of the number of times I said "please" in otherwise perfectly innocuous and civil comments. The responses were less than polite, yet I'm getting the school marm treatment for not meekly accepting their rudeness?

SBMontero's picture
@CyberLN:

@CyberLN:

I'm sorry, I will not play with the truth, and with historical less . It's evident that there's a revisionist here who denies the obvious and I don't want to lose a moment with him. He needs more history and less catechism... no more.

jonthecatholic's picture
I'm sorry. But based on your

I'm sorry. But based on your responses on this thread, you're the revisionist.

SBMontero's picture
@Jon the Catholic:

@Jon the Catholic:

Yes, history is always fucking revisionist with the disgusting religion, Right? Although I play with advantage, no one can hang me, burn me or stone me for telling the truth, as people like you did with Lucilio Vanini, Giordano Bruno, or Miguel Servet.

jonthecatholic's picture
People like me? Please be

People like me? Please be careful with your language, sir. It sounds like you’re clumping me together with a small group of Catholics whom you claim did these things. I’d rather you use, “people from your church” or something like that.

True no one can stone you for telling the truth. No one can do that to you for spreading lies on the internet either.

SBMontero's picture
@Jon the Catholic:

@Jon the Catholic:

Wait, wait... Do you mean people like you, Jon "the Catholic," did not hang, burn or stone people long before Muslims learned to do it from Catholics? Don't insult our intelligence and don't renounce to your history, it's yours, you come from a long tradition of murderers by faith... Do you want to summarize what the Christian phalanxes did in Safra and Shatilla in 1982, or the stupidity of Catholics in Ireland against other Christians? Because I can, we can all.

Or all the blunders that Catholics and their Church have done since it was institutionalized by Constantine through the Council of Nicaea are a historical invention? Really? C'mon!

jonthecatholic's picture
I don't remember burning

I don't remember burning anyone or stoning anyone to death. I'm not even saying these things did NOT happen. All I'm asking is that you make the distinction between me as a Catholic, immoral Catholics, and the Church itself. From your previous post, only two of those deaths were sentenced by the Church hierarchy, the other one was put to death in a secular court.

As to the two cases you've just stated (I'm not familiar with them) may fall under the category of crimes committed by individual Catholics, which shouldn't be attributed to the Church. It's like how a lone American gunman isn't reflective of all Americans or even the American government. I can help you name quite a number of atrocities committed by individuals in the Church (even members of the hierarchy) but again, this shouldn't be representative of the Church itself or all Catholics.

The historical inventions you've either made or bought into are the following:
1. Christianity was institutionalized by Emperor Constantine. (and add the Bible)
2. I'm curious why you mentioned Giordano Bruno and Miguel Servet and not other people. I'm assuming you're claiming these people are martyrs of science or rationalism or some sort. This is made up.

CyberLN's picture
Jon, do you, as a Catholic,

Jon, do you, as a Catholic, engage in any overt activities to prevent your organization from doing those things? Do you provide money or time to support that organization? Based on your answers to these questions, you very well can be considered culpable to a degree in the cases SB mentioned and many more, including hundreds of cases involving victimization of children.

jonthecatholic's picture
That’s not true at all. Say I

That’s not true at all. Say I pay correct taxes to my government and the government officials misuse the funds on trains that can’t be used in the country (this is a real thing, btw). You cannot fault me for whatever the officials do with this money. The short answer is when I give money to the church, I do so for a specific/general purpose (salary of church staff, renovation of the local church, medical missions for the poor, etc.). None of the causes I’m giving my hard earned money involve victimization of children.

I don’t tell the local parish priest to use the money for child torture. Quite contrary, I give for scholarship programs for children. And the local church has for it’s part did just that.

SBMontero's picture
@Jon the Catholic:

@Jon the Catholic:

Yes, I'm quite sure about it... and in US more, of course, yes ¬¬)-♫

https://youtu.be/LACyLTsH4ac

jonthecatholic's picture
What are you sure about? I’m

What are you sure about? I’m sorry. I don’t follow. Plus I don’t understand why you linked that video.

SBMontero's picture
@Jon the Catholic:

@Jon the Catholic:

Oh, of course you know, I repeat, do not treat us like idiots, we know what you are, we know what you are capable of and we know what you are capable of denying to keep you at your level... Do you want I make a comparison with a video of a Koranic school and so you understand better, believer? Because I can, like everyone, you too.

jonthecatholic's picture
Damn. There is really no

Damn. There is really no getting to you huh? I'll try one last time.

The video you posted is disturbing. I admit that. There are bunch of wacky Christians out there (ones who say the world will end tomorrow). I admit that. The Catholic Church has done some questionable things. I admit that. Catholic priests, bishops, cardinals, popes, have done awful things. I admit that. I have done awful things. I admit that. There are some religious extremists. I admit that.

But don't look at a group of Christians who hate the LGBT community and conclude that all Christians are like that.
Link a video of Christian brainwashing but don't conclude I do the same.
Put up a video of a Koranic school but don't conclude all theists are the same.
Mention the countless number of pedophile priests but don't conclude the entire church is the same or guilty of the crime.

You'll be living in a world of hate if you continue doing this.

SBMontero's picture
@Jon the Catholic:

@Jon the Catholic:

First, atheists don't hate theists, on the contrary, you give us a lot of sorrow, it's theists who hate atheists; the most hated group of people in the US are not the Nazis, they aren't racist, NO, they're the atheists, Why? Because the deep American believes that their religions, whatever may be, are some kind of vital ideology that must compel those who don't think like them... I imagine that I'll not have to explain what that means at a political and ideological level, because it's obvious.

Second, when you say that if I keep doing this what I'm doing is living in a world of hate you're lying, I've been confined to tell the truth, because I can, because I work in university teaching comparative religion, among other things within my bachelor's degree, and I have access to historical studies that you cannot deny, well, neither you nor any theist, although I have to admit that there are atheists who are sufficiently idiots like trying to compare their entourages of Protestant bullshit retreads with the history of Christianity which, like or dislike, is very prior to their Lutheran Christianity. I'm not going to enter into it, the Anglo-Saxon religious world is painful and has nothing to do with the history of Christianity between the second century, when it's actually born, and the fourth century, which is when the Roman Empire consolidates it by pure necessity, the Muslims only copied it as a way of consolidating an empire, worked with the Romans and worked with them. That history exists, it's there for anyone who wants to read it, it isn't lucubration, it isn't invention, it's HISTORY, with capital letters. For example, where the Soma stood a church was erected in honor of the Christian martyrs of Nero, Christian martyrs who NEVER existed. HISTORY.

And third, the best thing you can do, for yourself, your children, your environment, is to read HISTORY, not bullshit catechists or ecumenical, because those bullshit have been brewing since the fourth century to fill a virtual Christian existential void almost three hundred years, and if you don't believe me, you just have to go to a university that is not Christian, yes, I know it's difficult in the United States, but you can, and ask any professor in philosophy about the history of Christianity before the II century, you will see how he/she smiles and tells you that this period of time was made up, refurbished and rebuilt by the Fathers of the Church who, as we all know, are those who intervened in the Council of Nicaea, either directly and/or hint, and it doesn't belong to any esoteric knowledge, it's even known what they falsified and for what, it's no secret.

And there're no more, like it, or you don't like it, HISTORY is what it's. Read, that everything is in the books of HISTORY not in the comic books of catechesis.

REALLY ¬¬)-♫

phetaroi's picture
I find it amazing that a

I find it amazing that a person with your outspoken negativity toward all that is religious is teaching comparative religion. I hope you share your online posts with the Dean of your department.

SBMontero's picture
@phetaroi:

@phetaroi:

Well, don't worry, I'm European and I'm in charge of anthropology and history of the department, but if you think I'm negative in my area you should listen to the dean of the department talking about, for example, totemism. There is an abysmal difference between a European public university, especially in departments such as anthropology, philosophy and history and an American University.

Oh, and in Europe there's freedom of professorship at the University.

CyberLN's picture
Go for it, SB.

Go for it, SB.

Sky Pilot's picture
BS. The Bible as a

BS. The Bible as a comprehensive book did not exist before 692 A.D. when a committee of story tellers, artists, and writers produced three master copies in Latin. All Bibles are derived from that original work.

There may have been bits and pieces of assorted scrolls and manuscripts floating around but they were not an unified collection that could be called a book. And all major versions of the Bible included the Apocrypha until around 1881 - 1885 when two English guys decided to dump it. The Protestants agreed but the Catholics kept the Bible intact with all of the books that had been in it for the previous 1,193 years.

Now when did the Koran get numbered chapters and verses and who altered the Koran to include them?

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