Has nature ever created a code?

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Sheldon's picture
Sigh, another theists who

Sigh, another theists who loves to make unevidenced claims, and insist people disprove their claims.

arakish's picture
Someone who has read NOTHING

Someone who has read NOTHING by Douglas Adams...

And in addition to that and comfortable weather patterns and the sun and moon and placement of our planet, why do we have food for the approx 11.7 million different species of life on this planet? Do you think that was just by sheer luck?

Hate to tell you this, but just by this post and one above, I can already tell that to tell you how this actually came about would actually do like a 747 to you. You have not the mental capabilities to understand the Celestial Mechanics and Orbital Mechanics involved. Not to mention the rather simple idea of nebula accretion.

rmfr

Senta Christine's picture
Logical fallacy. Strawman

Logical fallacy. Strawman argument. Stop avoiding the question by insulting my intelligence (which I am sure is far greater than yours), and just state that you really think it was sheer luck that we had food on this planet for every stage of evolution, for every fish, bird, insect, plant, and to sustain the current approximation of 11.7 million different species of life. Go ahead. Say you think that on top of all the functions of the human body giving us eyesight, hearing, feeling, tasting, smelling (statistically impossible they would :"just happen" w/o intelligence)- &According to you atheists that all came to be along with electricity, oil and every other useful material and resource on this planet because we are just that darn lucky. And you wonder why 93% of the world disagrees with you.

arakish's picture
@ Senta

@ Senta

Then tell me how much information you know about nebula accretion, Celestial Mechanics, Orbital Mechanics, Astrophysics.

How much you already know within that lack of intelligence has the potential of saving me about 500 pages of text describing to you how the stellar formed and how everything ended up where it is in that stellar system.

Otherwise, go and do some research. Searching for knowledge and information is what it is meant to be human instead of a Religious Absolutist robot and force fed what you are told to think.

rmfr

Senta Christine's picture
Logical fallacy. Strawman

Logical fallacy. Strawman argument. Again I am asking you why we have food NOT how we have food. There are only 2 possible answers. Either you think it was just by sheer luck or you think there was higher intelligence involved. Pick one.

Tin-Man's picture
@Senta Re: "Again I am

@Senta Re: "Again I am asking you why we have food NOT how we have food."

Errrr-ummmmmm.... Oh, geee.... Where to start?... So, I have no idea where you live, or in what world you were raised, or if you have ever ventured anywhere outside your own back yard, but.....

Are we to understand you actually believe there is plenty of food for everybody on this planet and there are no people in the world going hungry? As if maybe some "perfect and intelligent entity" actually purposely DESIGNED the over-population and the limited resources to be as they are?..... *tilting head to side with bewildered look*.... Hmmmm.... Wow...

Senta Christine's picture
There are not limited

There are not limited resources. We produce enough food each year to feed 10 billion people. Here are some links for easy reference.
https://www.oxfam.ca/there-enough-food-feed-world, https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/07/the-world-produces-enough-food-to... https://foodfirst.org/publication/we-already-grow-enough-food-for-10-bil... It is our responsibility to get the food to the people who need it. Also, I believe hell is happening right here, right before our very eyes.

arakish's picture
Senta Christine

Senta Christine

Either you think it was just by sheer luck or you think there was higher intelligence involved. Pick one.

OK. Got it. You are either a Religious Absolutist or a Religious Absolutist Apologist.

I always love how you religious people are always telling us what we are thinking.

Are you a psionic telepath and able to read our minds?

Before I give you an answer your above question, I have a question for you to answer:

Have you applied your accussations of "logical fallacy" and "strawman" to your own question?

In answer to your above question, the answer is neither.

What you see on this Earth arrived here through the natural process of natural selection and evolution. Do you realize that approximately 99% of ALL species that have ever been on this Earth are extinct? However, being a Religious Absolutist, you would not believe in the Theory of Evolution and the process of Natural Selection.

Well, since you are a Religious Absolutist who shall not believe in anything scientific, why should I answer your questions? You shall believe any word I may say.

Thus, the only thing I shall say is go back to school little child and don't skip so many classes.

rmfr

Senta Christine's picture
I am not a little child. I am

I am not a little child. I am 49 years old and I have a college education. I very much doubt that you do since you don't even have a good grasp on basic science. Evolution is a process that we discoverd was happening. It is not a first cause of food, life or anything else. And natural selection has absolutely nothing to do with how food came to be on this planet. Read a book sometime. It might help you understand what science is and what science is not. Science does not even attempt to answer any of the whys of our existence. Science only attempts to discover and understand how an already existing and operating universe works. And I am not a religious anything. I think all religions are man-made but with a very good purpose in mind. I think it is very obvious however, that higher intelligence created this planet and that higher intelligence than mere humans exists. And who cares if some plants, mold spores, insects and some animals are extinct now?. And back to my question of why we have food on this planet. I know you don't want to say it was just luck because you know that sounds ridiculous. And I don't blame you for avoiding answering it. It's a fail for atheism.

arakish's picture
Duh... No shit. Yet you say

Duh... No shit. Yet you say have some college education, but have such stupid idiotic beliefs.

We have food on this planet because life consumes life for the energy it need to grow and survive. Use that college education and think critically about. You have yet to show that education.

rmfr

Senta Christine's picture
Logical fallacy. Strawman

Logical fallacy. Strawman argument. You did not answer why food is on this planet in the first place. Obviously we need it to live, yes, so what force of nature would even care if we needed food? Nothing you think? It just mysteriously appeared here for millions of species of life out of our incredibly good luck?

Nyarlathotep's picture
Food is composed of organic

Food is generally composed of organic compounds. The universe is awash with organic compounds. I don't understand your complaint/question.

Senta Christine's picture
You understand the question.

You understand the question. Don't play dumb. Why do we have food on this planet that not only tastes delicious, but also gives us energy and nutrients to stay alive? Do you think something like that could possibly happen by sheer luck?

Nyarlathotep's picture
Food is typically made out of

@Senta Christine:

I won't be addressing your opinions about the taste of food; as what you think tastes good does not concern me, unless I was preparing a meal for you.
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Food is typically made out of organic compounds, so are lifeforms (at least the ones we know about). Which means with a little leaway we could rephrase your question as: why do we find organic compounds, where we find organic compounds? Now I'm pretty sure that isn't the question you are trying to ask; maybe you help us out and rephrase it.
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Senta Christine - You understand the question. Don't play dumb.

Or I guess you could just insult me again.

Senta Christine's picture
Ok, maybe you didn't

Ok, maybe you didn't understand the question.Why does food even exist on this planet? There are only two possible answers. Either you think food is on this planet by sheer luck or you think higher intelligence was involved in the creation of this planet.

Nyarlathotep's picture
Senta Christine - Why does

Senta Christine - Why does food even exist on this planet?

If you condition on organic life existing on the planet, then your question answers itself, as organic life is food.

If you don't condition on that, then as I've already said: organic compounds are common in the universe, we shouldn't be surprised to find them on Earth.

If however: you are asking why are there organic compounds in the universe; then the answer I would give you is stellar nucleosynthesis.

Senta Christine's picture
Why are the organic compounds

Why are the organic compounds common in the universe?

David Killens's picture
Sunlight is the food. Combine

Sunlight is the food. Combine it with chemicals and the plant lives. Animals eat the plants, and all of it is a complex interaction with evolution. You won't find herds of elephants in Antarctica because there's no food for elephants there.

Senta Christine's picture
Personally I have never

Personally I have never ordered sunlight when dining out. And how did these chemicals come to be? And why are the plants here? Are we just very lucky to have thousands of food options from the plants on this planet? Is that what someone like you really believes?

Sheldon's picture
Argumentum ad ignorantiam.

Argumentum ad ignorantiam.

Not knowing something doesn't mean goddidit using unexplained magic.

arakish's picture
@ Senta

@ Senta

You should stop stating your questions are "logical fallacies" and "strawman arguments." That is why we ain't answering you any better than you desire us to answer. If you are going to state that you are going to spew diarrhea before you spew it, then Hitchen's Razor applies.

Hitchens's razor

Hitchens's razor is an epistemological razor asserting that the burden of proof regarding the truthfulness of a claim lies with the one who makes the claim, and if this burden is not met, the claim is unfounded, and its opponents need not argue further in order to dismiss it.

Overview

The concept is named, echoing Occam's razor, for the journalist and writer Christopher Hitchens, who in a 2003 Slate article formulated it thus: "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence". The dictum also appears in God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything, a book by Hitchens published in 2007.

Hitchens's razor is actually an English translation of the Latin proverb quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur (What is freely asserted is freely dismissed), which was commonly used in the 19th century. It takes a stronger stance than the Sagan standard "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"), instead applying to even non-extraordinary claims.

Wikipedia

Oops. I forgot. Ain't this plagiarism? The link? Oh... Never mind...

rmfr

Senta Christine's picture
Oh yes. Me along with 93% of

Oh yes. Me along with 93% of the world have stupid idiotic beliefs. You are the only smart ones. LMFAO

arakish's picture
Oh. You finally figured it

Oh. You finally figured it out. Yes, as a whole, the human species is a stupid, retarded, ignorant gestalt organism. 93% (actually is now down to 88%) of you prove it.

rmfr

Senta Christine's picture
Wrong. https://en.wikipedia

Wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism 73 cited scholarly sources from all over the world. Only approx 6-7% of the population of the world are either agnostic, or buddhist atheists (who believe in karma but not God), with very few convinced atheists in the world. I bet you can't even name one famous scientist who is a convinced atheist. They are all agnostic, but get grouped in with atheists. And we are not stupid. I have had enough experiences and signs to know God exists beyond any doubt. I have lost my fear of death completely. Some day you will too

Sheldon's picture
"Oh yes. Me along with 93% of

"Oh yes. Me along with 93% of the world have stupid idiotic beliefs. You are the only smart ones. LMFAO"

argumetum ad populum, the number of people holding a belief tells us nothing about it's validity. The world was not made flat because everyone once believed it so.

As to to stupidity, you seem unable to grasp that demographic is not an homogeneous belief, they all hold different beliefs in different deities. It is axiomatic that humans create fictional deities. So before you metaphorically link arms with them all, and point and laugh at those who who disbelieve one more of the fictional deities humans have created than you do, you might want to consider how stupid your claim is.

arakish's picture
I think all religions are man

"I think all religions are man-made but with a very good purpose in mind. I think it is very obvious however, that higher intelligence created this planet and that higher intelligence than mere humans exists."

And this is part of the very definition of being a Religious Absolutist and/or a Religious Absolutist Apologist.

rmfr

Tin-Man's picture
@Senta Re: "And natural

@Senta Re: "And natural selection has absolutely nothing to do with how food came to be on this planet."

*blank stare*.... Ugh..... (I can't believe I am actually about to have to explain this....)

Ummm... You DO realize, I hope, that WE (humans) are part of that food chain?.... Oh, and we were not (and we are not) always at the top of it. A very great amount of that food of which you speak is actually pretty much every animal that has ever existed through...... (wait for it)...... NATURAL SELECTION. That includes humans, too, by the way. Don't mean to sound harsh, but we ARE animals. Just sayin'....

Senta Christine's picture
Logical fallacy. Strawman

Logical fallacy. Strawman argument. That is not the question and you know it isn't. The question is why does food exist on this planet in the first place? Food that is not only delicious but also provides energy and nutrients we need to stay alive? Do you think that was just by luck? (by the way, most of the food on this planet is plant based, not animal)

Tin-Man's picture
@Senta Re: "The question is

@Senta Re: "The question is why does food exist on this planet in the first place?"

ROFLMAO.... Oh my goodness!... Please tell me you are just having a bit of fun here.... *tears streaming from eyes*.... You say you have a college diploma?.... *trying to catch breath*.... Did you keep your receipt? Because you might want to consider getting a refund..... *curled up in fetal position holding tummy*... Was your diploma written in crayon, by any chance?.... Bwaaa-haaaa-haaaa....

Senta Christine's picture
I am certain that I am far

I am certain that I am far more intelligent and far more educated than someone like you. And you didn't answer the question because you can't. It's a fail for atheism.

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