Has nature ever created a code?

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Cognostic's picture
I was listening to the trees

I was listening to the trees today and imagining the sounds as dots and dashes.

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Nyarlathotep's picture
Cognostic - .-.. .-.. ... ...

Cognostic - .-.. .-.. ... .... ..

The monkey gods get mad when you mix ASCII dashes with Unicode dashes!

Sheldon's picture
There are 10 kinds of people

There are 10 kinds of people in the world.

Those that understand binary code, and those that don't.

Cognostic's picture
Gotta make the code bigger so

Gotta make the code bigger so it can be read.

arakish's picture
@ jnv3

@ jnv3

And I repeat: Download this information package: Rhetological Fallacies. Read it. If you are capable of CRITICAL THINKING you shall see where you are posting from a position of retarded idiocy.

And I still cannot believe how you cannot see where I have pointed where you actually answer your own questions.

.-. -- ..-. .-.

Cognostic's picture
LOL - That's one way of

LOL - That's one way of saying it!

J N Vanderbilt III's picture
No I can’t see where I’ve

No I can’t see where I’ve answered my question because your evasive BS continues to be just that: evasive
Cowardly atheists

Sheldon's picture
Aw bless, ah well another

Aw bless, ah well another tedious religious blowhard seems to have run out of steam. Thank fuck for small mercies. I guess we won't ever be getting that objective evidence then, quelle surprise.

Bye then...

Tin-Man's picture
@JNV Re: "Cowardly atheists"

@JNV Re: "Cowardly atheists"

Alrighty then....

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Better a coward to run away

Better a coward to run away and live to fight another day than a bald face liar.

A coward I can deal with. A liar deserves nothing. A coward can be sympathized with. A liar deserves to be belittled, squashed, bad-mouthed, blistered, taken down, criticized, cut down to size, scoffed at, discredited, pooh poohed, put down, scorched, sneered at, depreciated, diminished.

You kind sir are nothing more than a blind Religious Absolutist mocking yourself.

rmfr

Sapporo's picture
@J N Vanderbilt III has been

@J N Vanderbilt III has been properly answered numerous times and considers us cowardly for allegedly being evasive, while at the same time worshiping an evasive god that has presented zero evidence for having created a single code.

J N Vanderbilt III's picture
For my benefit, repeat your

For my benefit, repeat your reply as to how programs are created just for my “understanding”, I must have missed it according to you. Please include how they are not created to accomplish things nor convey messages while you’re at it

Sheldon's picture
Can you show a single example

Can you show a single example of a code created by anything that was not a part of the natural material universe?

Can you demonstrate any objective evidence for a deity, or anything created by a deity, beyond argument from ignorance fallacies?

Senta Christine's picture
Just use your brain. Every

Just use your brain. Every code we know of was created by intelligence and NOHING, codes or otherwise, creates itself. Do you really think humans are the highest form of intelligence in hundreds of billions of galaxies? Do you really believe this entire universe and all conscious life just magically appeared out of nothing, without intelligence, for no reason and with no purpose, so we could all live unequally for short periods of time and then die and go nowhere? How can something that ridiculous make sense to you?

Sheldon's picture
"Every code we know of was

"Every code we know of was created by intelligence "

In every single case that intelligence is an evolved characteristic, and an organic material intelligence.

"NOHING, codes or otherwise, creates itself. "

Not true, in nature things replicate themselves all the time. However even if this argument were sound it would equally apply to any deity, otherwise you're using a common logical fallacy called "a special pleading fallacy", please look it up and you'll see your argument cannot be asserted as rationally true.

" Do you really think humans are the highest form of intelligence in hundreds of billions of "

I have no idea, nor do I fully grasp your point, but this seems like an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy . Nothing can rationally be asserted as true based on not having a contrary argument, or evidence.

"Do you really believe this entire universe and all conscious life just magically appeared out of nothing, without intelligence, for no reason and with no purpose, so we could all live unequally for short periods of time and then die and go nowhere?"

No one has claimed the universe appeared using unexplained magic, except theists of course. Can you demonstrate any objective evidence for anything other than natural causation, since we know these occur as an objective fact? Otherwise this is another appeal to ignorance fallacy. Furthermore how we feel about a universe that has no ultimate purpose is irrelevant, since this tells us nothing about its validity.

"How can something that ridiculous make sense to you?"

This fallacy is called an argument from incredulity.

The material physical universe exists, as does organic life on at least one planet we know of. This life evolved slowly over billions of years. Human intelligence emerged as a product of this.

This are objective facts supported by a weight of objective evidence. What objective evidence can you demonstrate for anything more than the physical material universe?

You might also explain why the entire scientific world has missed this evidence as well, and why it doesn't share your conclusions about the origins of life, or the universe requiring an intelligent creator.

When you've considered that you might ask yourself why a complex universe needs a creator, but an even more complex creator does not. As this is the very definition of a special pleading fallacy.

You seem a little excitable if you don't mind me saying. Perhaps a calm critical examination of your claims will help you avoid using such obvious fallacies in future arguments.

Senta Christine's picture
"Not true, in nature things

"Not true, in nature things replicate themselves all the time. However even if this argument were sound it would equally apply to any deity, otherwise you're using a common logical fallacy called "a special pleading fallacy", please look it up and you'll see your argument cannot be asserted as rationally true." (from Sheldon the fictional character on a stupid tv show)

Something replicating is not something being created from nothing. Just thought you should know.

Senta Christine's picture
"No one has claimed the

"No one has claimed the universe appeared using unexplained magic, except theists of course" (from Sheldon the fictional character on a stupid tv show)

No theist has EVER claimed the universe appeared using unexplained magic. We believe in higher intelligence. It is only atheists who think it all just magically appeared without intelligence.

Algebe's picture
@Senta Christine: No theist

@Senta Christine: No theist has EVER claimed the universe appeared using unexplained magic.

Every theist creation myth in history is based on precisely that premise. The Judaeo-Christian myth states that their god, whose origin is never explained, produced the world from nothing purely by an act of will, like a rabbit out of a hat. That sounds like the definition of magic to me.

Tin-Man's picture
@Senta Re: "Just use your

@Senta Re: "Just use your brain. Every code we know of was created by intelligence..."

Ahhhhh.... I get it. Okay, cool! Good to know. Soooo, just out of curiosity, though, who or what, exactly, created that intelligence that created all of this? After all, by your OWN "logic", something obviously had to create that intelligence that did the creating. Simple question. Just use your brain.

(Edited to add pic.)

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God always has been and

God always has been and always will be, just like our true selves. We are what is

Algebe's picture
@Senta Christine: God always

@Senta Christine: God always has been and always will be

Do you know this by revelation or authority?

We are what is

Yes we are.

Sheldon's picture
ME: Can you show a single

ME: Can you show a single example of a code created by anything that was not a part of the natural material universe?

Senta Christine: "Every code we know of was created by intelligence "

ME : "Can you demonstrate any objective evidence for a deity, or anything created by a deity, beyond argument from ignorance fallacies?"

Senta Christine: " Do you really believe this entire universe and all conscious life just magically appeared out of nothing, without intelligence,"
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Funny as fuck fair play, deliberate? ..You're none too bright are you.

arakish's picture
Cognostic

Cognostic

How many black holes does this make now?

rmfr

Cognostic's picture
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You can always count on those black holes to suck.

J N Vanderbilt III's picture
For my benefit, repeat your

For my benefit, repeat your reply as to how programs are created just for my “understanding”, I must have missed it according to you. Please include how they are not created to accomplish things nor convey messages while you’re at it

arakish's picture
OK. Here is one I wrote

OK. Here is one I wrote about pi (π).

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The value of pi (p) has been calculated to many millions of decimal places, to no readily apparent purpose: no perfect circles or spheres exist in nature, since matter is composed of atoms and therefore lumpy, not smooth. Nature herself sometimes takes to rounding off the more extreme decimals of numbers when they get sufficiently small, as Professor Heisenberg has pointed out. However, the continued extension of pi provides a harmless exercise of computer power which would otherwise be misused playing Quake or surfing pointless web sites.

A computer program I wrote to help me understand the value of pi. The greatest number of digits I have used this program to generate is 17 billion. However, I figured posting that would be overload for the server here.

rmfr

Tin-Man's picture
@Arakish Re: Pi

@Arakish Re: Pi

Lawdy lawdy lawdy! Sooooo glad I didn't have to use that in my high sckool geometry class.

arakish's picture
@ Tin-Man

@ Tin-Man

Me too. What we were told to use was 3.14159. And calculators did not come out until I was in high school. Hell, when I was in high school, we either had to use log tables or we could use a slide rule. Calculators we forbidden.

rmfr

Cognostic's picture
Holy Shit!!! You are part

Holy Shit!!! You are part of NATURE and you WROTE A CODE. *Clouds Parting ---------Sun Glistening on the water. ---------- Angels Singing Halal loo Ya. It's a frigging miracle -- NATURE WROTE A CODE. It came from a brain created by nature in a creature created by nature. WOE! Mind Explosion. Imagine if Tin Man had written the code. It would not have counted at all. Computers write code all the time. NATURE HAS WRITTEN A CODE!!!!!

J N Vanderbilt III's picture
A fun computer exercise for

A fun computer exercise for sure, but here’s where I have a problem

“A computer program I wrote to help me understand the value of pi.”

This is an arbitrary statement showing your self awareness of pi, the same as if anyone handed you a paper w pi printed on it. The existence of this computer program has NOTHING to do w your understanding of it. The focus you’re avoiding is the sequences of code that render the results. You programmed the code sequences so that tells you intelligent design was at play

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