Has nature ever created a code?

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arakish's picture
@ Sheldon

@ Sheldon

Know what I find so funny? I extend an olive branch by wishing jnv3 a happy holidays greeting and because I have spanked him rather hard some ways back in this thread, he still chooses to ignore such well wishing. If that ain't sociopathic behavior...

rmfr

Sheldon's picture
I wouldn't take it personally

I wouldn't take it personally, he's an odd one. He gave up any pretence of debate of long ago and is now simply trying to troll.

Merry Xmas anyway...

arakish's picture
Thanks Sheldon.

Thanks Sheldon.

I don't take it personally, nor am offended. I just it funny he cannot even realize he is a sociopath.

rmfr

Sheldon's picture
sequence

sequence
noun
1. a particular order in which related things follow each other.

code
noun
1. a system of words, letters, figures, or symbols used to represent others, especially for the purposes of secrecy.

If J N Vanderbilt III can't see the difference then he should go away and work on his basic literacy before attempting anything else, and it appears he can't...

Wed, 12/26/2018 - 14:50 Permalink
J N Vanderbilt III "**Sequences ARE codes.**"

No, they really are not, though a code may contain a sequence. This is literacy 101, to use the common American vernacular.

Thu, 12/27/2018 - 06:14
J N Vanderbilt III "Oh and the alphabet doesn’t get translated nor doesn’t represent information that gets translated"

Which has what to do with your claim that "sequences ARE codes"? (see above)

Are you claiming that alphabets are not sequential? Or that alphabets are codes? You can't have it both ways, champ.

Here's a clue, when you're in a pit...***STOP digging.

tbowen's picture
In the case of DNA the

In the case of DNA the sequence IS a code.
Arbitrary Sequences of nucleotides that are arranged in a very precise arrangement perform a function.
This obviously points towards intelligence. And is the sequence a man made concept?

Sheldon's picture
Wed, 12/26/2018 - 14:50

Wed, 12/26/2018 - 14:50
J N Vanderbilt III "Sequences ARE codes."

That was your claim, and I have included the time of your post above. So do please stop lying. Now are you claiming the alphabet is not a sequence, or are you claiming the alphabet is a sequence and therefore a code??? No more lying to cover your stupidity in previous posts, admit you made a twat of yourself and we *might have some small modicum of respect...

Nothing you have posted indicates intelligence either. Now stop lying and obfuscating, and show an ounce of integrity for once, and answer some questions.

**still waiting for you explain how a brain storing memories whilst it is dying from oxygen debt evidences anything supernatural, let alone your fictional bronze age deity?

Can you demonstrate any objective evidence for a deity or anything supernatural? How do you believe your deity created a talking snake? was it by magic or can you demonstrate objective evidence and a detailed explanation for how it was done? I think we know the answer.

Your relentless evasion is tedious and nauseating, almost as much as your wilful stupidity.

Merry Xmas, you clown....

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ JNV3

@ JNV3

In the case of DNA the sequence IS a code.

So, by definition DNA is man made? It doesn't matter how you try and phrase it, the definitions destroy your argument before you type anything.

Code = Man made construct.A system of words, letters, figures, or symbols used to represent others, especially for the purposes of secrecy
Sequence = a particular order in which related things follow each other.Can be random, does not need intelligent input.

Now stop being a fucking numpty. I'm done with your stupidity.

Sheldon's picture
He left stupidity behind many

He left stupidity behind many many pages ago, and now is on to rank dishonesty in the mistaken belief he can cover his blushes. You're almost embarrassed for him at this point.

tbowen's picture
I claim that DNA is the

I claim that DNA is the result of intelligence, not man made, so another straw man from you,
And how is the alphabet a code? Does it get translated?

arakish's picture
@ The Third One

@ The Third One

jnv3: "I claim that DNA is the result of intelligence, not man made, so another straw man from you."

Actually, yours is the argumentum ad ignorantiam. Follow the link.

jnv3: "And how is the alphabet a code?"

No one ever said the alphabet is a code. It is a sequence of letters.

jnv3: "Does it get translated?"

How do you think words get created?

rmfr

Sheldon's picture
Wed, 12/26/2018 - 11:51

Wed, 12/26/2018 - 11:51
J N Vanderbilt III "Sequences ARE codes."

So are you claiming the alphabet is not a sequence? Or that the alphabet is a code?

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ JNV3

@ JNV3

I claim that DNA is the result of intelligence, not man made,

Then you had better get on with producing some evidence for that if that is your claim.

We can all concede that DNA is NOT man made.
It is a naturally occurring sequence of chemical markers which humans have labelled using letters from the modern alphabet as a convenience for their understanding.
The evidence so far is the the sequences labelled by humans in DNA are, in fact, the product of evolution.

Your claim that it is "magic" or an unknown influence that caused the first RNA strings has to be evidenced.

So far all you have done is demonstrate your woeful ignorance of definitions. What you need to do is to prove your claim. Do not repeat your previous verbiage.

But now that your claim is in the open, without mangling perfectly good words, produce your evidence.

Sheldon's picture
Bullwinkle III "I claim that

Bullwinkle III "I claim that DNA is the result of intelligence, not man made,"

Old man shouts ... "Then you had better get on with producing some evidence for that if that is your claim."

Well now lets not be too hasty, this is only the 33rd page of his vapid bullshit after all.

Sheldon's picture
J N Vanderbilt III "And how

J N Vanderbilt III "And how is the alphabet a code?"

It's not a code, it's a sequence of letters, and I never claimed it was a code, you did here...

Wed, 12/26/2018 - 11:51
J N Vanderbilt III "Sequences ARE codes."

tbowen's picture
Ok so the caveat is that the

Ok so the caveat is that the alphabet is a sequence but a sequence put in place w no rhyme or reason. This means it has no purpose nor gets translated, unlike dna.
You could go ahead and say everything you see is a sequence but it would be meaningless

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ JNV3

@ JNV3

Ok so the caveat is that the alphabet is a sequence but a sequence put in place w no rhyme or reason.

You really do have trouble with definitions do you not? The Alphabet IS a sequence, but it does have a reason for its order. It is also a man made construct.
VIZ: "The modern English alphabet is a Latin alphabet consisting of 26 letters, each having an uppercase and a lowercase form, and the same letters constitute the ISO basic Latin alphabet. The exact shape of printed letters varies depending on the typeface (and font), and the shape of handwritten letters can differ significantly from the standard printed form (and between individuals), especially when written in cursive style. English is the only major modern European language requiring no diacritics for native words (although a diaeresis is used by some publishers in words such as "coöperation" or "naïve").[1][2] Written English does, however, have a number of digraphs. The alphabet's current form originated from Latin script about the 7th century. Since then, various letters have been added, or removed, to give the current Modern English alphabet of 26 letters, each having an upper- and lower-case form" Courtesy Wiki.

We use a different sequence of letters (from the alphabet) to form each distinct word.
Each word is placed in a sequence to convey a meaning. It is a man made construct called 'Language'.
This "Language" has rules, it is called "Grammar".
Further each "word" has a "definition(s)" which specify meaning and usage.

All man made constructs.

You must start writing coherently if you want to argue for the existence of your "higher intelligence"/"Alien"/god thing.

Sheldon's picture
Wed, 12/26/2018 - 11:51

Wed, 12/26/2018 - 11:51
J N Vanderbilt III "Sequences ARE codes."

So are you know saying you were wrong and that sequences are not necessarily codes? Or are you saying the alphabet is a code? Or are you saying the alphabet is not sequential?

You're not just bullshitting anymore, you're smearing it all over yourself. This is quite funny though, watching you squirm.

arakish's picture
The Third One: "This means it

The Third One: "This means it has no purpose nor gets translated, unlike dna."

DNA does NOT get translated except by humans for ease's sake. WE humans translate it into a letter code to provide a framework for us to understand it.

rmfr

Sheldon's picture
I don't think we should give

I don't think we should give him the excuse to obfuscate. Look...

Wed, 12/26/2018 - 11:51
J N Vanderbilt III "Sequences ARE codes."

I'd like to see if after 33 pages of his posturing, lies, and bullshit, he can muster an ounce of integrity, and admit an error. It would be a start at least. The longer he ignores this the funnier it gets...

arakish's picture
That is why I am always

That is why I am always laughing and facepalming. It is just hilarious. Especially how he keeps ignoring me since that one severe spanking I gave him with a lawn mower.

rmfr

tbowen's picture
Did you not read what I wrote

Did you not read what I wrote about the caveat?
Apparently it didn’t get through to you!
Also Did you not read what I answered about the Deity many posts ago, ? You keep asking

Codes are intelligence constructs, not necessarily man made
So what’s the reason for the alphabets order?
You said there was a reason. So what is it? Does the order even matter? Do tell

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ JNV3

@ JNV3

Now you are being
a) Dense
b) Obtuse.

Codes are intelligence constructs, not necessarily man made

All codes that we know of are man made: see the definition of a code. They are man made. All codes are man made, BY DEFINITION For fucks sake use words as defined in a fucking dictionary.

So what’s the reason for the alphabets order?

This site is for children so you should get it and comprehend the meaning of each paragraph with a little effort. http://mentalfloss.com/article/29011/why-are-letters-abc-order

There is also a BIG clue in the last sentences of the Wiki quote I sent you (but which you obviously cannot comprehend.)
Re read there will be a test.

I read your "caveat" sentence, but it makes no sense "a warning or proviso of specific stipulations, conditions, or limitations" when your premise was faulty. Or were you redefining 'caveat' to suit yourself?

Regarding your earlier posts about a deity or creator or whatever...first we have to get over your use of faulty English, or your faulty understanding of the issue. You seem to be intent on confusing yourself with very simple word definitions.

Get that straight in your head, then start again.

Sheldon's picture
Another spanking, but not as

Another spanking, but not as funny as him pulling down his own pants and spanking himself by claiming sequences ARE codes, and not having the sense to simply admit he was wrong, caveat indeed, fucking hilarious.

Sheldon's picture
Wed, 12/26/2018 - 11:51

Wed, 12/26/2018 - 11:51
J N Vanderbilt III "Sequences ARE codes."

So are you saying that sequences are not now necessarily codes? So your claim was laughably wrong then, is that what you're saying? Is 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 a code, only it most certainly is a sequence, and your claim is above for all to see, with date and time.

Oh, you're claiming time is a code as well then, as it most certainly is sequential...funnier and funnier, remember Bullwinkle, when you're in a pit stop digging...

I've seen some idiotic obfuscation from theists in my time, but this takes the biscuit. Hilarious...

tbowen's picture
Old man , what you probably

Old man , what you probably meant to say is
“All codes that we know of are intelligence made”
After all dogs bark and birds sing mating calls. Sorry your pants are down and you’re the one getting spanked here big guy.

And what are you getting at as to THE EXACT ORDER of the alphabet letters? I see nothing but hot air from you on this

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ JNV3

@ JNV3

Old man , what you probably meant to say is
“All codes that we know of are intelligence made”

Nope, and do not try and weasel out of your idiocy here. All codes are a man made construct. End of story.Some codes are devised by very intelligent humans, some are not. All are devised by humans.

Unlike you, I am aware of the definitions of the words I use, and I use them correctly.

And what are you getting at as to THE EXACT ORDER of the alphabet letters? I see nothing but hot air from you on this

I guess that article was a little hard for you?
Ok I will simplify for you: The modern alphabet is the product of centuries of change and refinement stemming from the earliest known writing systems. Letters in the alphabet have appeared and disappeared. The order of the alphabet has changed with different civilisations feeding on the letters of another. Incorporating and unincorporating letters and symbols as the need changes. The modern English alphabet is in essentially random order, but a sequence that is accepted as correct by the current civilisation.
Who knows, the QWERTY system may be the one that next dominates...or maybe Mandarin.

The essential thing about all alphabets is that they are the MAN MADE foundation for language.

This is where your reasoning fails at every turn. You are trying to redefine words (language) to suit a presupposition you hold. It will not work for you.
All codes are an entirely human construct. Nothing else involved but humans.

Regarding 'spankings' because the paucity of your understanding is on display, I am trying not to humiliate you. You are succeeding to do that and self flagellate simultaneously. Quite a feat.

(Edited for simplicity)

arakish's picture
J N Vanderbilt III: "After

J N Vanderbilt III: "After all dogs bark and birds sing mating calls."

Yet, dogs and birds show more intelligence than you have in this thread. Dogs bark in code, birds sing in code. However, you fail to even understand the definition of CODE.

Again, it looks like you tripped over your pants around your ankles. When are you going to realize you are completely, absolutely, totally, and utterly defeated?

rmfr

Sheldon's picture
Wed, 12/26/2018 - 11:51

Wed, 12/26/2018 - 11:51
J N Vanderbilt III "Sequences ARE codes."

So to be clear, do you know accept your claim was, and is, wrong? Or are you saying the alphabet is a code? Is 1,2,3 a code? It's a sequence after all...

tbowen's picture
Nope all codes are the

Nope all codes are the product of intelligence, that’s only source of codes that we know of, intelligence, a bees waggle is from intelligence and it holds useful information. However the alphabet does not and even some sites said it’s order is for no particular reason

Deacon of Doubt's picture
Not sure how DNA qualifies as

Not sure how DNA qualifies as a code...we could look at layers in a cake, and say they are a code for deliciousness. Something only becomes a code when you assign a value to it.

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