Has nature ever created a code?

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Sheldon's picture
J N Vanderbilt III "Anyone

J N Vanderbilt III "Anyone take a guess?"

Guessing is more your thing.

tbowen's picture
Oh do elucidate the fallacies

Oh do elucidate the fallacies regarding Butterfly
Moths and Natural camouflage. Oh where have I gone wrong? Tell me there’s no luck involved or crazy odds of chance, go for it

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ JNV3

@ JNV3

Following your example (except I have evidence on my side) I repeat.

Then you plagiarized misunderstood articles (or fallacious apologetics) about:
Fruit Fly
Butterfly
Moths
Natural camouflage
Willow trees.

Thats a minus F. A huge failure to understand the Scientific Theory behind evolution, and resolute wish to repeat fallacious nonsense.

The fallacy you continue to wallow in, is the "Appeal to Ignorance", "Argument from ignorance (from Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence") is a fallacy in informal logic.
Argument from ignorance - Wikipedia"
Do note that I give complete reference and am indicating the source.

Your childish attempt to deflect the argument is once again noted, as is your complete failure to note the sources of your quotes and pictures. I do not think you are remotely intelligent enough to think of the moth examples and "willow tree" argument yourself...in fact..I think I can track down those sources, and find you hoist ,once again, on the sharp point of PLAGIARISM...(note to JNV3..copy and paste to save you misspelling, no need to credit)

It only proves, of course, that, as we all knew, you are incapable of either original thought or the basic honesty to reply in an ethical manner.

Such is the life of an insecure theist. When the naked lies are exposed, much like Trump's penis, nothing worth discussion remains.

Sheldon's picture
J N Vanderbilt III

J N Vanderbilt III
"Oh where have I gone wrong?"

Believing risible bronze age superstions about talking snakes over scientific facts that all the evidence supports.

"Tell me there’s no luck involved or crazy odds of chance, go for it"

There's no luck involved, only random mutations. You are looking at a 1vin a billion lottery winner but failing to understand the number of losers made their correct selection inevitable given enough time and repetition.

Probability is something you don't understand. You're also using a common logical fallacy called an argument from incredulity fallacy. I'd say you're also making the common theistic mistake of conflating possibility and probability which are two very different things.

You're also of course one of the most closed minded theists I've encountered. Teenage boys do tend to have an undeserved high opinion of their reasoning skills. Maybe you'll grow up and out of it, only time will tell.

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
It is surprising that this

It is surprising that this thread is still running, especially considering the OP will not answer questions, does not understand what he is trying to discuss and doesn't care anyway.

Grinseed's picture
God is reading all this and

God is reading all this and assessing Van's devotion, which is why he persists despite the lack of progress in this thread.
He's scoring huge in angel and trolling points.

Or is it the Recording Angel keeping score? The poor bugger must be bored out of its mind after 34-35 pages of this.

tbowen's picture
Sheldon is the winner of this

Sheldon is the winner of this week’s BS award

“There's no luck involved, only random mutations. “
This shows that you think a dozen eggs is not the same as 12 eggs. You are a nut job!

Sheldon's picture
Thank you, I can think of no

Thank you, I can think of no higher probation than a blinkered creatard like you claiming my acceptance of scientific facts represents BS.

Now why do you think sequences ARE codes, when they clearly are not? Also if if as you claim sequences ARE codes, why isnlt the alphabet a code, or any sequence of numbers or any word really?

How many thousands of years old do you believe the universe is? Come enough lying cowardice we all know you believe the fantasy in the bible, don't be such a coward.

Do you believe the Noah flood myth has any validity to it? I doubt we'll get an answer here either, but I think we all know why.

Do you actually believe a man lived in the belly of a massive fish for months, as your hilarious bible claims?

Do take your time...

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
Say's the person who has to

Say's the person who has to revise his entire opening post due to it being completely ridiculous and demonstrates no knowledge of the actual definitions of words, the theory of evolution and logical argument.

tbowen's picture
But remember, Im dealing w

But remember, Im dealing w atheists who think that if a moth needs a pair of owls eyes, he’ll get them, lol

Sheldon's picture
Dear oh dear there really is

Dear oh dear there really is nothing you can get right is there. Atheism has nothing to do with evolution, and evolution has nothing to do with atheism. Just because a scientific fact destroys the creationist fantasy you laughably cling to, doesn't mean evolution is required for atheism, which is just a lack or absence of belief in fictional deities.

You really do need to read a dictionary now and again, or ask one of your teachers.

aperez241's picture
People:

People:

JN Vanderbilt is by now in a state of complete denial. Having seen his arguments debunked, and his complete ignorance about evolution revealed, he has retired into a trench with his "magic mutations" statement that he knows is not true but he refuses to analyze or revise. At this point in the argument, he will be impervious to any reasoning because he will not follow them or even probably read them through, much less will go to study any of the links provided to try to understand what he is talking about. He is now just like and spoiled brat throwing a tantrum, covering his ears and shouting " La, la, la...I can't hear you!"

It is completely useless to argue with him. It will go nowhere.

Sheldon's picture
I agree, it's extremely

I agree, it's extremely unlikely his ill-informed intransigent beliefs will ever accept scientific facts that he feels threaten those beliefs. However we can have a little fun, since it is he who came here to seek us out. I see no real harm.

Worst case scenario we enlighten a creatard.

tbowen's picture
Debunked? Calling me insults

Debunked? Calling me insults does not a point debunk.
Go ahead and tell me about this moth, and how it won the lottery along with all his other camouflage winner friends in the insect world
Just coincidence?

aperez241's picture
Read

Read

http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-evolution.html

Then come back with questions. If you do not read this, then you are not interested in learning anything.

Sheldon's picture
I posted links to talkorigins

I posted links to talkorigins on the first page, and several times since. He's not going anywhere near anything that might open his eyes, or his mind. That's religions for you...

Sheldon's picture
No one needs to debunk

No one needs to debunk something that no objective evidence can be demonstrated for. Just in case you're still unclear:

Evolution is objectively evidenced by a scientific theory, which is the pinnacle of scientific thought.

Creationism is an unevidenced myth, involving taking snakes and magic apples, and don't think we have failed to notice you ignore each and every mention of these aspects of your fantasy.

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
@aperez241

@aperez241

Well put.

He has literally got everything wrong throughout the entirety of this thread, right down to simple definitions of words.

@ JN Vanderbilt

Describe your god and the mechanics and/or mechanism for creating any change in even one individual creature.

I'll wait.

arakish's picture
@ J N Vanderbilt III ? rmfr

@ J N Vanderbilt III

?

rmfr

tbowen's picture
The genome is programmed from

The genome is programmed from the start w ability for variation with in Baramin, no new genes for new novel body plans have emerged or been observed.

So Go ahead and tell me about this moth, and how it won the lottery along with all his other camouflage winner friends in the insect world
Just coincidence?

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
Yet again, you fail to answer

Yet again, you fail to answer.

Describe your god and the mechanics and/or mechanism for creating any change in even one individual creature.

Let's see the probability for this happening.

arakish's picture
@ J N Vanderbilt III ? rmfr

@ J N Vanderbilt III

?

rmfr

Sheldon's picture
"no new genes for new novel

"no new genes for new novel body plans have emerged or been observed."

How about magic apples, talking snakes, magic clay, any evidence those have been observed there champ?

PMLMAO....I love it when creatards saw the branch their fantasy is on, hilarious.

Sapporo's picture
I guarantee that JN

I guarantee that JN Vanderbilt knows less about his god than we do about evolution.

Sheldon's picture
Can one claim to know

Can one claim to know anything about something they cannot demonstrate any evidence for?

I am an expert on unicorn husbandry. Please buy my best selling book "God Loves, and Wants you to Breed Unicorns".

tbowen's picture
Blind I just did

Blind I just did

Sheldon's picture
You're still the one denying

You're still the one denying a scientific fact, in preference of a bronze age creation myth, that involved talking snakes and magic apples. So it's still unclear what you want from us?

Don't get me wrong, you've provided your share of laughs...

Sapporo's picture
@JN Vanderbilt it is not our

@JN Vanderbilt it is not our job to look up scientific papers on the subject for you, especially if you are unwilling to read them. If you have read them, then I suggest you focus on a rebuttal rather than inane comments that don't convince anyone of the truthfulness of your position..

tbowen's picture
Sheldon BS comment that

Sheldon BS comment that mutations(just the right ones) are not luck is being given a good leaving alone. This is such a preposterous statement. Take another look at the moth, can a moth look like a $20 bill? Preposterous!!!!

Sheldon's picture
J N Vanderbilt III "Sheldon

J N Vanderbilt III "Sheldon BS comment that mutations(just the right ones) are not luck is being given a good leaving alone.!

I never said that, this another of your desperate creationist lies. I said evolution doesn't involve luck, the BS part is all yours, yet again.

"can a moth look like a $20 bill? Preposterous"

No, and you've already tried this straw man lie before, it was indeed preposterous and still is, just why you want to post preposterous lies that have nothing to do with evolution, and then admit they are preposterous only you can know. ]

Species evolution is a scientific fact, take it up with science if you prefer fantasies about magic apples and talking snakes.

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