Has nature ever created a code?

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Cognostic's picture
Seriously? "According to

Seriously? "According to you atheists." Do you have any idea at all what you are talking about? Atheists are people who do not believe in Gods. (THAT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT WHAT THEY DO BELIEVE IN.)

The only person strawmaning anything is you. "
1. " just state that you really think it was sheer luck " Glad you can read minds. (Strawman #1)

2. "Say you think that on top of all the functions of the human body giving us eyesight, hearing, feeling, tasting, smelling (statistically impossible they would :"just happen" w/o intelligence)"

Do you have evidence for intelligence? We would love to see it? More mind reading and an outright false assertion. "statistically impossible they would :"just happen" w/o intelligence." The statistic that all the above "WOULD" happen without intelligence is exactly 1 to whatever. It already happened. If you assert there is intellignece causing it all, you have to prove it. Well? We are waiting.

3. (Second Strawman) According to you atheists that all came to be along with electricity, oil and every other useful material and resource on this planet because we are just that darn lucky.

Nice of you to make all our assumptions for us so you can try and knock them down. So you make your own stupid assumptions and then, because you do not have the rational or critical thinking skills of a three year old, you attempt to debunk your own assertion with a Logical Fallacy. "And you wonder why 93% of the world disagrees with you." Argumentum ad Populum. Does your inane ignorance know no boundaries?

doG's picture
There is proof of adaptation

There is proof of adaptation for those species. Where is the proof for a god or extraterrestrial intelligence?

David Killens's picture
So you concede that RNA

So you concede that RNA carries "code" in the same manner DNA does?

LogicFTW's picture
@David Killens

@David Killens
Oh he does, he conceded every point with his short one sentence response that avoided most or all of your excellent point/question. The guy thought he read something clever online, and realized it is not clever at all real quick here.

Sheldon's picture
"obviously the intent is to

"obviously the intent is to form proteins, that is what the code exists for."

DNA is not a code, and you have yet to evidence any "intent". You have yet to evidence a single one of your claims, when you can produce over 160 years of global scientific scrutiny and evidence to validate your beliefs then they might be paid due deference, though ironically you and your fellow creationists don't reciprocate this open minded approach. Rather as this thread shows you blindly and dishonestly peruse one single idea, despite being unable to demonstrate a shred of objective evidence, and cherry pick one scientific fact to decry because it destroys that idea.

In stark contrast I would abandon evolution tomorrow if the evidenced required it, and remain an atheist who disbelieved in bot any deity and creationism, because there is no objective evidence for those claims, they are just religious beliefs.

Senta Christine's picture
In order for there to even be

In order for there to even be hit or miss, an intelligent agent would be required. The fact that a bunch of mold spores, plants, bugs and some other animals went extinct means nothing. It all probably happened for a very good reason that we are simply unaware of. Again, because you are unaware of the reasoning of the intelligence behind RNA, you are pretending it doesn't exist. That is a logical fallacy.

arakish's picture
Senta: In order for there to

Senta: In order for there to even be hit or miss, an intelligent agent would be required. The fact that a bunch of mold spores, plants, bugs and some other animals went extinct means nothing. It all probably happened for a very good reason that we are simply unaware of. Again, because you are unaware of the reasoning of the intelligence behind RNA, you are pretending it doesn't exist. That is a logical fallacy.

What do you think the diarrhea you just spewed is? ^^^^^^^^

rmfr

Tin-Man's picture
Re: Senta

Re: Senta

Uh, Arakish?... Uh, would you mind if I borrow your hands for a moment? I suddenly have an overpowering urge to do that quadruple face palm you invented.... *groan*....

arakish's picture
@ Tin-Man

@ Tin-Man

Of course. I've already had to borrow yours twice or thrice already. Think I need to again.

rmfr

Sheldon's picture
"In order for there to even

"In order for there to even be hit or miss, an intelligent agent would be required."

No it wouldn't, Hitchens's razor applied - slash.

"The fact that a bunch of mold spores, plants, bugs and some other animals went extinct means nothing. It all probably happened for a very good reason"

Seriously you're being facetious right? How the fuck can something both have no meaning and happen for a good reason, christ you're dumb.

"Again, because you are unaware of the reasoning of the intelligence behind RNA, you are pretending it doesn't exist. That is a logical fallacy."

No it isn't, wtf are you talking about? You've just made that up, and it's abundantly clear that you haven't a clue what logical fallacies are, or what they mean. Here's a clue for you, making a claim that complexity requires a designer or creator, then arguing that no one can evidence or explain how complexity originated is a common logical fallacy, it's called argumentum ad ignorantiam.

Cognostic's picture
Ahh... I see.... The

Ahh... I see.... The argument from animism. There is a reason, we just don't know it. Well, it is Halloween season after all. A few ghost stories now and then are to be expected.

No one is unaware of the intelligence behind RNA. If there is intelligence behind RNA it is your job to prove it. Please demonstrate your claim.

David Killens's picture
@Senta Christine

@Senta Christine

"In order for there to even be hit or miss, an intelligent agent would be required."

Even the outcome of a coin flip?

Do you understand that you are injecting the god thing into everything, without any proof or logical connection?

Algebe's picture
Fibonacci sequences in

Fibonacci sequences in nautilus shells, sunflower seeds, spiral galaxies.

Fractals.

Human languages.

J N Vanderbilt III's picture
what are the instructions

what are the instructions that are coded and then decoded in a fractal or spiral galaxy?

Algebe's picture
In the patterns themselves,

@J N Vanderbilt III: what are the instructions that are coded and then decoded in a fractal or spiral galaxy?

In the patterns themselves, none. They are the cumulative results of various natural forces. The only coding of instructions is the repetitive determination of the size and shape of the next stage of growth by what has gone before.

However, they appeal to our pattern-seeking instincts, and in that sense, the instructions, coding, and decoding occur in our brains, in our imaginations. As a result, these phenomena are seen by the gullible as evidence of the hand of a designing deity.

It's a pity, because trivial myths about designer gods blind us to the beauty and grandeur of reality.

David Killens's picture
@J N Vanderbilt III

@J N Vanderbilt III

"what are the instructions that are coded and then decoded in a fractal or spiral galaxy?"

Gravity, pressure waves, radiation, dark matter, dark energy.

chimp3's picture
"Code" is a human construct.

"Code" is a human construct. We are pattern seeking animals.

Senta Christine's picture
We are not animals. We are

We are not animals. We are human beings. I think you all need to appreciate being human a little more. We are different from the animals and that is ok. Are you attracted to other humans? If so, why do you think that is?

Tin-Man's picture
@Senta Re: "We are not

@Senta Re: "We are not animals."

Yep. It's confirmed. You should DEFINITELY get a refund on your "college education."

Sheldon's picture
"We are not animals. We are

"We are not animals. We are human beings."

Animal
noun
1. a living organism which feeds on organic matter, typically having specialised sense organs and nervous system and able to respond rapidly to stimuli.

Try again...

"Are you attracted to other humans? If so, why do you think that is?"

Evolution...

Senta Christine's picture
You think evolution is the

You think evolution is the reason that you are attracted to other people? Can you justify that claim?

Sheldon's picture
"You think evolution is the

"You think evolution is the reason that you are attracted to other people? Can you justify that claim?"

Yes, of course. Traits that are attractive are demonstrably more likely to win a mate, species who didn't find each other attractive wouldn't last very long would they, again I must ask are you being deliberately obtuse?

However I'd rather focus on your latest gem, that humans are not animals. You do know that humans are primates, a member of an evolved family of great apes, including humans, gorillas, chimpanzees, and orangutans.

https://australianmuseum.net.au/humans-are-apes-great-apes

When did humans evolve into non animals? Was Australopithecus an animal? This is priceless, what college did you say you'd attended? My own formal education was fairly mediocre, and went to work at 16, so that must be why I missed this paradigm shifting biological revelation that humans are not part of the animal kingdom.

Algebe's picture
@Senta Christine: We are not

@Senta Christine: We are not animals. We are human beings.

That's interesting. Where do you draw the dividing line? Australopithecus? Homo Erectus? Neanderthals?

I think the attraction to members of our species is an evolutionary mechanism. If deer suddenly became attracted to horses, pretty soon there'd be no deer.

Senta Christine's picture
That's good to know. Animals

That's good to know. Animals don't have mirrors, yet they know who to mate with and who they are attracted to.

CyberLN's picture
What on earth does a mirror

What on earth does a mirror have to do with recognizing a member of one’s species?

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Santa

@ Santa

We are not animals

Please stop I am getting a headache banging my head against the wall. Please make the stupid stop......Of course it would be easier if everyone doesn't keep borrowing my arms and hands to collectively facepalm.

College? What was your major? Hair and makeup? Choosing shoes? Sports stats? Real Estate? It certainly could not have been anything requiring critical thinking by what you have posted thus far.

arakish's picture
@ Old Man

@ Old Man

***tree rumbles up handing a twig with some leaves***

Here. Chew the leaves for an hour. But do not swallow the leaves, just the juice. Should make your head feel better.

***tree rumbles off a ways, then stops***

You know, it might be better you wore your tricycle helmet more often also.

***tree continues off into the forest***

rmfr

Tin-Man's picture
Re: Senta

Re: Senta

I'm calling TROLL! Listen, I happen to be pretty damn good at playing dumb and being a difficult pain in the ass. Matter of fact, I have spent many years honing those skills. As a result, I'm pretty good at recognizing it when I see it being used by others. And, yes, we all know there are some truly brain-dead cretins out there who grace us with their presence from time to time. No doubt. However, "Miss" Senta here is not such a brain-dead moron as "she" is trying to portray. "Her" responses are far too calculated and controlled. "She" is answering and responding in much the same ways I would answer and respond to people if I were intentionally trying to annoy them. Spotted it early on, but was just wondering how long "she" would continue. Apparently, "she" is having an absolute blast, and - in all fairness - "she" is pretty good at it. Just sayin'.....

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ arakish

@ arakish

Nearly broke the Third on that one!

Cognostic's picture
Well, some of us appear to be

Well, some of us appear to be more human than others. How are you different from animals? Please explain? Do you have anything at all you can point to that is a tangible difference?

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