Has nature ever created a code?

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Algebe's picture
@J N Vanderbilt III: Still

@J N Vanderbilt III: Still waiting for an example of nature creating a code

Human language.

That's a coding system created through the natural processes of evolution. It is the result of changes in our brains and throats, and the development of our instincts as social animals.

Language is a natural process. We encode information in our brains and decode it again via our speech mechanisms (larynx, tongue, lips, teeth, etc.) or writing. We obtain language input through our sensory organs and encode again in our brains.

If any of the natural physical elements involved are damaged, such as through a stroke, brain injury, or throat cancer, we lose that capacity. For example, a deaf infant will have serious language learning problems.

David Killens's picture
"In communications and

"In communications and information processing, code is a system of rules to convert information—such as a letter, word, sound, image, or gesture—into another form or representation, sometimes shortened or secret, for communication through a communication channel or storage in a storage medium."

White rhino poop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ2ebYNtFUA

David Killens's picture
And no, I do not intend to do

And no, I do not intend to do any white rhino poop sniffing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsgP5DouB2M

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
What a wonderful thread,

What a wonderful thread,

'I've found a code in nature, it must be from god! I bet you can't find a code in nature.'

Umm.. yeah, funnily enough.. the same one.

The only difference is, I don't think it was poofed into existence by a magical bearded wizard.

But for the recorded, you are poorly using the terminology for code as i'm sure everyone has mentioned.

Senta Christine's picture
There is no one in the world

There is no one in the world who believes in a magical bearded wizard. We believe in higher intelligence. And you do think it magically poofed into existence because you deny higher intelligence than mere humans even exists.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Senta

@ Senta

"There is no one in the world who believes in a magical bearded wizard.

Another sweeping unevidenced generality. I know several people who believe in a physical, male, bearded god, in fact I would hazard a guess there are millions of them. There are also conventions where many people gather who, on questioning tell you that Gandalf is real....
as I said before Please stop with the stupid, my wall has dents now.

Senta Christine's picture
I would need actual proof

I would need actual proof that there is anyone who believes that. There are definitely not millions of them, No one even thinks God is male besides maybe some Christians who believe Jesus is God.

Nyarlathotep's picture
Senta Christine - No one even

Senta Christine - No one even thinks God is male.

Senta Christine - God is not male, not even according to Christians or Jews or Muslims. "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them."

Troll, imo.

/e Oh I see you have gone back and edited your comment to remove your contradiction. Are you going to go back and edit it everywhere else you said it?

Senta Christine's picture
Only SOME Christians beleive

Only SOME Christians believe Jesus is God. Most d not. Jesus himself said he was not God and that there is only ONE perfect who is God.

CyberLN's picture
You are making a lot of

You are making a lot of assertions about what others believe. Show your work. Where are you getting these numbers?

Cognostic's picture
OMG! How many times are you

OMG! How many times are you guys going to go around in a circle with these DNA is a Code Creationists?

"The core argument of Stephen Meyer’s book, Signature in a Cell, written in advocacy of intelligent design, is this: DNA is a code and a computer instruction is a code. Since computer code requires an intelligent designer, and DNA is a code, it follows that DNA is a product of, or is controlled by, an intelligent designer."

HE IS WRONG!!!!!
"This argument has no foundation if one does not accept its basic premises: that DNA is a code that a computer instruction is a code, and that the term 'code' is applicable in exactly the same way to both uses."

END OF DISCUSSION!!! (OPEN a frigging BOOK)

https://www.science20.com/chatter_box/dna_when_code_not_code

J N Vanderbilt III's picture
So the reality is you CANNOT

So the reality is you CANNOT come up w a code done by nature.
The functional sequences of the nucleotides are profound in such a way that useful translation occurs, not dumb rocks flying around but genuine TRANSLATION!
There are NO properties of chemistry that dictate the order of these sequences!!! It's not merely chemistry any more then the ink in a book is just chemistry.
They both convey information. Arbitrarily~~~

Randomhero1982's picture
Wow, you're a special kind of

Wow, you're a special kind of spastic.

Probably cultivated over years and years in a secret lab, somewhere in Kentucky.

J N Vanderbilt III's picture
Thats about the typical

Thats about the typical response from a blank minded athiest, no cerebral reply.

Sapporo's picture
J N Vanderbilt III: Thats

J N Vanderbilt III: Thats about the typical response from a blank minded athiest, no cerebral reply.

Are you criticizing god, or nature?

Randomhero1982's picture
Its not required when you OP

Its not required when you OP is irretrievably stupid.

Cognostic's picture
RE: J N Vanderbilt III

RE: J N Vanderbilt III "Thats about the typical response from a blank minded athiest, no cerebral reply."

YES!!!! You finally got it. Atheists minds are blank!!! Congratulations! Our knowledge goes as far as it can with facts, skeptical thinking, science, pragmatism, and then when we get to the end, we honestly say "I DON'T KNOW!" There is a GAP in knowledge and understanding. YES!!! A blank spot." We do not fill it with Gods, miracles, angels, devils, heavens, Hell, magical prayers or magical thinking. We do not fill it with bible verses, Church dogma or iron age mythology. IT IS BLANK. And the only way to put something in that space is with reason, logic, pragmatic experimentation, empirical data, and evidence that can be validated. Absent that..... WE ARE BLANK MINDED AND STILL WAITING FOR THE EVIDENCE YOU WILL GIVE US FOR YOUR GOD. Still waiting.............

Cognostic's picture
Saying it, does not make it

Saying it, does not make it so. It is a chemical reaction. No brain, No translation.
"Nucleotides may have one, two, or three phosphate groups covalently linked at the 5' hydroxyl of ribose. These are referred to as nucleoside mono-, di-, and triphosphates, respectively (Fig. 12-39). Starting from the ribose, the three phosphates are generally labeled α, β, and γ. Nucleoside triphosphates are used as a source of chemical energy to drive a wide variety of biochemical reactions. ATP is by far the most widely used, but UTP, GTP, and CTP are used in specific reactions. Nucleoside triphosphates also serve as the activated precursors of DNA and RNA synthesis,"

Chemical interactions explain it all!!! READ A BOOK!

http://www.bioinfo.org.cn/book/biochemistry/chapt12/bio7.htm

Sheldon's picture
By your own criteria you gave

By your own criteria you gave an example of a case produced by nature in your OP. You claimed DNA is a case, and it's entirely natural?

Why do you keep ignoring this contradiction you're making?

Sapporo's picture
@J N Vanderbilt III

@J N Vanderbilt III
If you cannot think of anything "done" by nature, that is your problem, not ours.

Algebe's picture
@JN Vanderbilt: Thats about

@JN Vanderbilt: Thats about the typical response from a blank minded athiest, no cerebral reply.

And you seem to typify the theist tendency to latch onto a particular mantra of belief, and to avoid arguments that are outside of that narrow comfort zone.

I suggested that human language was a naturally evolved encoding-decoding system. Language is used by intelligence but was not created by it. Do you have any response?

Tin-Man's picture
@Algebe Re: To JNV - "Do

@Algebe Re: To JNV - "Do you have any response?"

...*sound of crickets chirping*...... *lightbulb suddenly comes on above head*.... Hey! Crickets chirping. A code made by nature!.... *clapping excitedly*.... Yay me!!!

Algebe's picture
@Tin-Man: sound of crickets

@Tin-Man: sound of crickets chirping

Do you speak cricket? I know a few words of sheepese. It sounds just like people praying and singing hymns. They just keep on bleating even while they're being fleeced and butchered.

Tin-Man's picture
@Algebe Re: "Do you speak

@Algebe Re: "Do you speak cricket?"

I tried once before, but I could never figure out how to make that sound by rubbing my legs together. All I got out of it was a nasty rash and a trip to the chiropractor.

Algebe's picture
@Tin-Man: never figure out

@Tin-Man: never figure out how to make that sound by rubbing my legs together

Maybe you should try it in yoga pants (if you don't mind going to hell).

David Killens's picture
Oh geez, there's a mental

Oh geez, there's a mental image that will scar me for months. I need a stout pour of Bourbon. Screw it, don't even give me a glass, just start an intravenous.

Tin-Man's picture
@David and Algebe

@David and Algebe

Aw, hell! I'm gonna be laughing all night about this one!.... Bwaaaaaa-haaaaaa-haaaaaa......

Cognostic's picture
Have you tried smearing KY

Have you tried smearing KY Jelly on your legs and then using bubble wrap? I have had some success talking to crickets with that but I had to spend long hours in the gym strengthening my upper thighs. You know. KY and Pop Rocks might do the job as well?

Sapporo's picture
I challenge anyone to point

I challenge anyone to point out anything that has no creator, other then nature, that is intelligent. The point here is that intelligent things are not created. I think my argument must be true, because I came up with it.

Cognostic's picture
Well, Damn! I have to ask

Well, Damn! I have to ask myself, when has Sapporo ever been wrong? I can't think of a time so I am bound by tradition to believe you in this matter as well.

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