How can religion be evil?

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1. Even liberal atheist

1. Even liberal atheist skeptics affirm there is evidence for theism. (Bart Ehrman)
2. Good point. Personally I find it difficult to comprehend and relate to an eternal being with attributes I don’t have.
3. I think the existence of so many religions is good evidence there is one true religion. Just as the existence of counterfeit money leads us to the belief that real money exists.
4. Why does anything exist at all? This a question science can’t answer.
5. True. This says nothing about the existence of a God. It says much about our belief that there is a right and a wrong. The concept of evil without an ultimate standard of good is not possible.
6. True. This does not mean religious truth does not exist.
7. Depends on how one views the evidence.
8. If one true religion exists, all others are plagiarism.
9. The existence of an obviously false belief system compels some to search for truth.

arakish's picture
I am going to the plagiarize

I am going to the plagiarize the hell out of this one...

rmfr

arakish's picture
@ AJ777

@ AJ777

Have you returned to stop using avoidance and muddying the waters? Have you returned to stop skipping over our questions or shifting our questions with a question of your own? Have you returned to stop squirimg away from questions for which you have no answer and ready to admit “I do not know” when you do not have answer? Have you returned to stop dancing around by spewing presupposed assumtive assertion with no evidence after presupposed assumtive assertion with no evidence after presupposed assumtive assertion with no evidence? Have you returned to act like a human being and to treat others like a human being?

If your only purpose here is to play your stupid “merry-go-around” games with doing nothing more than asking your questions, but not answering anybody else's questions, then the best I could give you is to volutarily, Leave now. Never come back.

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  • Is it objectively moral to force children to believe in the Bible utilizing mental rape, emotional molestation, and psychological terrorism? Is it objectively moral to force a belief in an entity that cannot be proven by utilizing mental rape, emotional molestation, and psychological terrorism?
  • Even if your God exists outside of normal space and time, anything it does to this realm will leave evidence. Where is that evidence?
  • There are approximately 20,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (20 trillion billions (US)) stars in this universe. We are now discovering that stars with planets are the norm, instead of the exception. We have even discovered several Terran-type planets within what is called the “Goldilocks Zone.” Do you honestly expect me to believe that your God created such a huge universe with all those galaxies and stars and planets just for a single species of backward, primitive, barbaric primates on only one insignificant planet orbiting an insignificant star located in an insignificant galaxy located in an insignificant universe? If you believe such a delusion, then you are truly suffering from the major mental disorders as described here.
    • Even if I were to say that only one-hundredth of one-hundredth of one-hundredth of one-hundredth of one-hundredth of one-hundredth of one-hundredth of one-hundredth of one-hundredth of one-hundredth of one percent (×0.000 000 000 000 000 000 01) of those total stars has an “earth-like” planet with intelligent life and an advanced civilization comparable to ours, that would mean that there would still be 200 such planets in this vast universe. Of course, if all 200 were evenly distributed throughout the universe, the distances would be so vast between us, none shall ever know the existence of the others. Ever. Think Critically about it.
  • From whence comes evil and sin?
  • Who sends who to Hell?

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And do not forgot to address the questions directly posed and implied in this short essay...

There is no philosophical ideology more divisive than religion. Religion does nothing but pervert, demoralize, subvert, and bribe all persons with the belief that it alone possesses the one and only truth. And, the worst part of ANY religion is that it is an ideology that is implicitly and explicitly protected from any and all criticism from both within and without. Why should any ideology, especially religion, be so privileged? Can you not see how disastrous this way of thinking can be, and is?

I know religion is, and has always been, tremendously harmful to Humanity. I know that religions, and their way of thinking, and their theological disagreements, have created the greatest violence, destruction, injury, death, bigotry, harm, immorality, intolerance, wickedness, and abuse to the human species than any other cause. The main problem is not religious fundamentalism, but the fundamentals of religion. Religion’s loose version of “morality,” has NO place in a civilized society.

Sure. You can argue that it is the extremists, not the doctrine. All this says to me is that you have never truly read the various doctrines. It is both. Extremists might be using it as an excuse, but it is an excuse that the religious texts readily provide. I firmly believe, and shall take this belief to my grave, that the human species would have been much better off had there NEVER been ANY form of religion. EVER!

I see NO evidence of ANY gods, but plenty of evidence of religion’s harm.

And I am a lot more concerned with the welfare of my fellow human beings than I am about “offending” or “hurting the feelings” of a bunch of barbarians who choose to believe in the faerie tales of an obsolete, irrelevant, savage, offensive, and unsubstantiated, immoral Bronze and Iron Age religious text about a make-believe imaginative Sky Faerie and Magic Lich Virgin.

Offended? So the fuck what!

Ultimately, it is Religion that is Humankind’s worst enemy.

rmfr

Sheldon's picture
AJ777 "You claimed it is

AJ777 "You claimed it is your opinion that torturing children is immoral, why do you think this? Also why if you claim your deity is "perfectly moral", does its behaviour in the bible include torturing and murdering children.

DoesAtheismEvenMakeSense's picture
I don’t know much about

I don’t know much about religion or atheism, but I do know that most of the “pseudo answers” in response to this question barely pass as a third grade essay response. The irony is atheism (not a worldview) is just an excuse to ignore deep questions. Questions that have been at the core of dialogue of the greatest minds since the beginning of conciousnes, and all of a sudden atheists have all the answers. Makes me smile with irony like watching the leader of the woman’s march in bed with a racist. I hate to break it to everyone, whether you admit something is real or not, doesn’t change the truth.

Diotrephes's picture
DoesAtheismEven...,

DoesAtheismEven...,

"The irony is atheism (not a worldview) is just an excuse to ignore deep questions."

There are some deep questions in Job chapters 38 & 39 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=job38-39&version=ERV

What is the earth resting on?

Has anyone shown you the gates to the world of the dead?

“Where does light come from?
Where does darkness come from?

Have you ever gone to the place where the sun comes up,
where it makes the east wind blow all over the earth?

Who dug ditches in the sky for the heavy rain?

“Do you know when the mountain goats are born?

“Have you ever gone into the storerooms
where I keep the snow and the hail?

Cognostic's picture
Bullshit!

Bullshit!

The Earth is resting on turtles and it is turtles all the way down.

I saw the gates of the world of the damned on Late Night TV.

Light comes from Stars like the sun. Darkness comes from the absence of light.

No. The sun has never come up. The earth rotates and gives the illusion of the sun coming up. Yes, the sun has a dramatic effect on the winds of the earth. not just the East Wind.

Frank dug ditches in the sky for the heavy rain. Everyone knows that.

Mountain goats are born when it is time for them to be born.

Yes. I have seen both in storerooms.

So much for the deep questions. Now back to contemplating the fur ball under the sofa and how it manifests into a ball without anything or anyone ever touching it.

Tin-Man's picture
@Cog Re: "Now back to

@Cog Re: "Now back to contemplating the fur ball under the sofa and how it manifests into a ball without anything or anyone ever touching it."

Hey, now that you mention it, that reminds me of something else that has plagued my mind for many years.... Belly button lint... HOW THE HELL does THAT happen???

Tin-Man's picture
@DoesAtheismEven.... Re: "..

@DoesAtheismEven.... Re: "...and all of a sudden atheists have all the answers."

*annoyingly loud buzzer sound*....Oops. Awwww... So sorry. Wrong. Johnny, tell him what he didn't win...

Fact is, a vast majority of atheists are honest enough to freely admit we DO NOT have all the answers. And we are not ashamed nor afraid to simply say, "We do not know." Unlike most all theists, however, who FIRMLY KNOW AND BELIEVE they have ALL the answers simply because they read "God said so" in some multi-translated, multi-edited archaic book written hundreds or thousands of years ago by a multitude of barely-educated desert dwellers who knew little to nothing about modern science, geology, or cosmology. But, again, you feel free to believe whatever you want. Would hate for anything to stand between you and your imaginary Sky-Daddy friend.

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@ DoesAtheismEvenMakeSense

@ DoesAtheismEvenMakeSense

I don’t know much about religion or atheism, but I do know that most of the “pseudo answers” in response to this question barely pass as a third grade essay response.

And you can write any better? I am a published author of many science fiction short stories. How many have you published? I am also a published author of three books and working on my fourth. How many have you published? I have also been part of many science journal papers. How many have you written?

The irony is atheism (not a worldview) is just an excuse to ignore deep questions.

And these “deep questions” are? You mention them, but like any Religious Absolutist, even you don't know what they are.

Questions that have been at the core of dialogue of the greatest minds since the beginning of conciousnes, and all of a sudden atheists have all the answers.

Yes they have. And please dazzle us with the rhetoric of your great mind.

Makes me smile with irony like watching the leader of the woman’s march in bed with a racist.

And you were there to make it a ménage à trois?

I hate to break it to everyone, whether you admit something is real or not, doesn’t change the truth.

And that truth is?

rmfr

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