How can religion be evil?

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Cognostic's picture
AJ777: And how did your God

AJ777: And how did your God treat Job? Love your neighbor? BULLSHIT! CITE ONE ONE ONE
OBJECTIVE MORAL VALUE YOUR GOD DOES NOT VIOLATE.

You keep wanting to intellectualize and run away from facts. YOUR GOD IS IMMORAL AND YOUR RELIGION IS IMMORAL. YOU BIBLE IS THE BIG BOOK OF GOD'S IMMORAL ACTS.

YOUR QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED AND YOU DON'T HAVE A LEG TO STAND ON IN THIS DEBATE. (Like there ever was a debate.) The Christian and Islamic views of morality are complete BULLSHIT!

CyberLN's picture
AJ777, you quoted, “Leviticus

AJ777, you quoted, “Leviticus 19:18 “love your neighbor as yourself” “

What if you hate yourself? What if you’re a ‘cutter’? What if you are a sociopath? What if you are a junkie? What if you are a masochist?

Diotrephes's picture
AJ777,

AJ777,
"Leviticus 19:18 “love your neighbor as yourself”"

Not everyone was an Israelite's/Hebrew's/Jew's neighbor =

Leviticus 25:44-45 (CEB) = "44 Regarding male or female slaves that you are allowed to have: You can buy a male or a female slave from the nations that are around you. 45 You can also buy them from the foreign guests who live with you and from their extended families that are with you, who were born in your land. These can belong to you as property."

Cognostic's picture
Luke 14:26

Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brothers, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Matthew 7:6 New King James Version
6 “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces. (SO MUCH FOR THE FUCKING NEIGHBORS!)

King James Bible (John 2:15) "Jesus the king of do as I say and not as I do."
And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

Sapporo's picture
So we're all agreed then.

So we're all agreed then. Unjust actions are unjust, and immoral actions are immoral.

Sheldon's picture
He does seem to have an

He does seem to have an endless supply of vapid tautologies.

David Killens's picture
Like a manure spreader gone

Like a manure spreader gone into hyperdrive. The longer this thread goes, the more shit AJ is throwing against the wall, hoping something will stick.

AJ777's picture
Sapporo, what is the picture?

Sapporo, what is the picture?

Sapporo's picture
AJ777: Sapporo, what is the

AJ777: Sapporo, what is the picture?

It is a lump of clay.

It is making light of @J N Vanderbilt III (in the "Has nature ever created a code?" thread) finding evolution an absurd explanation for the variety of life on Earth, while at the same time believing the account of the origin of life as recorded in Genesis.

Sapporo's picture
Logic alone cannot

Logic alone cannot demonstrate the existence of phenomena. And there is no law of logic that says that moral statements can be objective or that they can be proved true by the existence of certain phenomena.

AJ777's picture
Why not. It’s logical to

Why not. It’s logical to conclude that since I’m writing this sentence that I’m alive and can understand the English language.

Algebe's picture
@AJ777: It’s logical to

@AJ777: It’s logical to conclude that since I’m writing this sentence that I’m alive and can understand the English language.

Not unless you can pass the Turing test.

Sapporo's picture
Why not. It’s logical to

Why not. It’s logical to conclude that since I’m writing this sentence that I’m alive and can understand the English language.

I said logic alone cannot...

Establishing the existence of phenomena must ultimately be dependent on observation, and even that is not an absolute proof.

David Killens's picture
@AJ777

@AJ777

"Why not. It’s logical to conclude that since I’m writing this sentence that I’m alive and can understand the English language."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpw_FB2QrjQ

Sheldon's picture
" It’s logical to conclude

" It’s logical to conclude that since I’m writing this sentence that I’m alive and can understand the English language"

Neither of those claims is rationally valid. For a start your command of the English language is execrable given how often you misrepresent the definition of words like atheism and morality. Or you are deliberately being duplicitous of course.

Cognostic's picture
No. You are a dead worm in a

No. You are a dead worm in a vat responding randomly to electronic impulses which is causing you to imagine you are alive and human. Prove me wrong. If you were alive and understood the English language, you would not be using it to embarrass yourself. Only dead worms in vats do that.

arakish's picture
@ AJ777

@ AJ777

I see you have not read my post. Here is the link. Too much to read? There were a couple of other posts just as long. Yet you said you read them all. I seriously doubt that you read any of them except enough to know all of us are in agreement that religion is Pure Evil.

Where do you think the ultimate origins of religion lie? Here is a DarkMatter2525 video to help.

Religion began for no other reason than a few megalomanical psychotic sociopaths found a way that they may have the "best of the best" as offerings to a make-believe Sky Faerie. They were intelligent enough to know which lies they could get the masses to believe so that those megalomanical psychotic sociopaths could get the best for themselves without actually having to do any work.

A quote by Robert A Heinlein: "Men rarely, if ever, manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled brat."

With that quote, we can get: In the beginning, Man created God in his own image. Petty, unjust, murderous, hateful, rapine, liar, abusive, oppresive, terrorizer, slave monger, etc. Make sure you read all the verses listed here: God's Nastiest Turd. Paraphrasing Richard Dawkins, your deity is the most horrific and terrifying monster to ever haunt humanity in all of history.

Anyway, your OP was about how religion could be evil, barring the morality as revealed in religion. That is an assertion. I now demand you provide the OBJECTIVE HARD EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE that any religion is moral.

Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit non ei qui negat.

That is Latin for “he who says he does not have the burden of proof lies.” And this is something ALL you Religious Absolutists truly lie about… Your favorite tactic is to turn the burden of proof around by saying something like, “Then prove God does not exist.” Pathetic cop-out which only a childish and spoiled brat would resort to in a discussion. Funny how that also describes all Religious Absolutists. Childish, spoiled brats.

Here is actually where your (AJ777) burden of proof lies. You made the claim that religious morality is supreme and ultimate and objective. You asked why religion is evil and we have given you the proof. It is now your turn.

The burden of proof shall forever lie with those who make the claims about anything. Carl Sagan once said, “Extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence.” If you propose the existence of something, anything, you MUST follow the Scientific Method in your defense of its existence. Otherwise, I have no reason to believe your preposterous claims. Hearsay is the worst possible form of any kind of evidence. ALL religious texts are nothing more than 100% hearsay. Thus, I have no reason to believe any religious text as any kind of proof. —synthesized by Arakish

Until you Religious Absolutists can present any OBJECTIVE HARD EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE to support your claims, then your claims shall forever be preposterous, and summarily dismissed. — Arakish

The person making the claim bears the burden of proof. If you are going to claim that scientists are lying, doctors are being paid off, there is a global conspiracy against religion, etc., the burden of proof is on YOU to prove your claim. Just saying it proves nothing, except you possess just enough intelligence to speak. — paraphrased from thelogicofscience.com

The burden of proof is now yours to prove religion is not Pure Evil. All you have done so far is to post inane and asinine tautological crap. You have provided no proof. And you continuously shift the burden of proof. Remember that other post of mine?

Here is a list of how one can spot a Religious Absolutist and they only need match just ONE:

  1. They LIE without ever thinking about the veracity of their statement.
  2. They LIE without ever providing any evidence of their statement.
  3. They LIE by believing inexorably everything they state.
  4. They LIE by being absolute in their statements (either I believe you or I am worthless scum).
  5. They LIE by using beguiling dialectical semantics.
  6. They LIE by using distorted and perveted data.
  7. They LIE by creating irrational excuses.
  8. They LIE by utilizing whiney-ass pleas.
  9. They LIE by not realizing why they need to defend their beliefs.
  10. They LIE by utilizing presupposed conclusions with no evidence.
  11. They LIE by making accusations they never apologize for even when they are proven wrong.
  12. They LIE by changing the subject.
  13. They LIE by shifting the burden of proof.

And from what I have read thus far of your posts, you have matched every last one. You should ashamed of yourself and your religion.

And these points are all I need to prove religion is Pure Evil.

  • ANY ideology that cannot suffer criticism is inherently evil.
  • ANY ideology that resorts to mental rape, emotional molestation, and psychological terrorism is inherently evil.
  • ANY ideology that supports the eternal damnation and torment of non-believers is inherently evil.
  • ANY ideology that presupposes its believers are superior to all others is inherently evil.
  • ANY ideology that protects its members from criminal prosecution is inherently evil.
  • ANY ideology that supports the demoralization and bigoted hatred of others is inherently evil.
  • ANY ideology that states we are to obey and believe as we are told is inherently evil.
  • ANY ideology psychologically terrorizes its children by telling they are born evil/sinful, born of evil/sin, born into evil/sin, born from evil/sin, and must have an imaginative Sky Faerie and Magic Zombie Virgin to save them is inherently evil.

Hell, I have run out of ideas. But if you cannot get the picture, then you are Pure Evil; thus, you cannot see the evil for what it is.

Do you even know the definitions of FAITH and FACTS?

FACTS — Formulated Accurately Codified Truth in Science
FAITH — Falsehoods Assumptions Innuendos Treachery Hogwash and Stupidity

My Ten Commandments of Humanity

And these are of much higher quality than any ten you can pick from your obsolete, irrelevant, barbaric, savage, offensive, and unsubstantiated, immoral Bronze and Iron Age religious texts.

  1. Question everything, trust nothing; for it is more important how to think than to be told what to think.
  2. You shall mind your own business and responsibilities, and allow others to tend to theirs.
  3. You shall render aid to others when needed, disregarding #2, as you shall want others to do for you. If your aid is refused, then do not force it.
  4. You shall respect the right of ALL persons to believe whatsoever they wish to believe; even if contradictory to your beliefs. You may discuss beliefs; however, forcing your beliefs onto others is condemnable.
  5. You shall live your own life always seeking to cause no harm.
  6. You shall test everything; but you shall check your own ideas against the facts and evidence, and you shall always be ready to discard even a cherished belief if it does not conform to the facts and evidence.
  7. You shall never overlook evil or shrink from administering justice; but you shall always be ready to forgive minor wrongdoing freely admitted and honestly regretted.
  8. You shall treat ALL hmans with love, honesty, respect, fidelity, and trust.
  9. You shall never indoctrinate anyone, especially children, regardless of their situation; rather, teach them how to think, how to evaluate evidence, and how to disagree with you without disrespect and dishonor.
  10. You shall value the future on a timescale longer than your own life span.

In parting, I leave you with part of a comedian's skit.

“In the Bullshit Department a businessman can’t hold a candle to a clergyman. Because I got to tell you the truth folks. I got to tell you the truth when it comes to bullshit. Big-time major-league bullshit. You have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims. Religion. No contest. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there’s an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever till the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money. He always needs money. He’s all-powerful all-perfect all-knowing and all-wise but somehow just can’t handle money. Religion takes in billions of dollars. They pay no taxes and they always need a little more. Now you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!” — George Carlin

Ultimately, there is only one truth in religion: “You are condemned to eternal damnation and torment unless you believe and do as WE say.” Sounds like Pure Evil to me.

rmfr

EDIT: fixed an incorrect tag

AJ777's picture
arakish, sounds like you’re

arakish, sounds like you’re very angry, why?

arakish's picture
@ AJ777

@ AJ777

No anger. Just pure cold hard truth. As said, if you cannot see it as such, then you are also brainwashed by your religion.

Micheal Sherlock once said, “Religion is not merely a tool to oppress the masses, it is a self perpetuating scam that leads the masses to oppress themselves.”

rmfr

arakish's picture
@ AJ777

@ AJ777

And forgot to add. Still see you are too afraid to offer any OBJECTIVE HARD EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE.

Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit non ei qui negat.

rmfr

Sheldon's picture
"arakish, sounds like you’re

"arakish, sounds like you’re very angry, why?"

For the record that deliberate evasion of his post to focus on a personal remark about the poster is the very definition of an ad hominem fallacy.

Cognostic's picture
He is not reading anyone's

He is not reading anyone's posts. He is just rambling on as if no one has said anything. Schizotypal word-salad it the clinical term for what he is doing.

AJ777's picture
Atheism, your religion, is

Atheism, your religion, is the new opiate of the people.

CyberLN's picture
Aj777, help us understand why

Aj777, help us understand why you think a lack of belief in gods is a religion.

Algebe's picture
@AJ777: Atheism, your

@AJ777: Atheism, your religion, is the new opiate of the people.

What Marx said was, "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people".

I think he meant that religion makes unbearable conditions bearable by giving its followers a false hope (opium dream) of reward, remedy, and restitution in the afterlife. Are you saying that atheism somehow fulfills that role now? I hope you'll explain how.

I think atheism says the opposite. This life is all we have. We need to live well and make the world better in this reality, because there is no other.

Nyarlathotep's picture
AJ777 - Atheism, your

AJ777 - Atheism, your religion, is the new opiate of the people.

V.S.

Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy - Finally, the stereotype that New Atheism is religious or quasi-religious or ideological in some unprecedented way is clearly a false one and one that New Atheists reject.

Sheldon's picture
Then youdont understand what

Then you clearly don't understand what religion, atheism or opiate means.

I do wish people wouldn't misquote Marx as well.

You're clearly trolling now, which I'm fairly certain is what you were doing last time you were here.

arakish's picture
@ AJ777

@ AJ777

Atheism is not a religion. It is a personal relationship with reality. — seen everywhere on the WWW

And a perfect explanation why Religious Absolutists are also suffering from Schizophrenic Delusion Disorder. They no understanding of reality.

rmfr

AJ777's picture
A religion is a worldview or

A religion is a worldview or set of beliefs about reality. If you don’t believe in or lack a belief in God, you will most likely fall into the naturalist/materialist worldview.

Algebe's picture
AJ777 A religion is a

AJ777 A religion is a worldview or set of beliefs about reality. If you don’t believe in or lack a belief in God, you will most likely fall into the naturalist/materialist worldview.

No.
A religion is a worldview or set of beliefs WITHOUT reality. If you don’t believe in or lack a belief in God, you will most likely ADVANCE TO the naturalist/materialist worldview.

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