If the God of the bible was proven real, would you worship it?
I wouldn't worship it, because the God of the bible is a monster!
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As I have said many times before, I can think of nothing I would ever worship, whether it is a good thing, bad thing, or otherwise. In particular, Allah and the god in the bible are especially no-goes in the worshipping department. If such an "all-powerful" entity is soooo terribly insecure and egotistical that it requires me (or anybody else) to worship it to feel better about itself, then that entity is not even worthy of my respect, as far as I'm concerned. So worshipping it is definitely off the table.
On the other hand, there are a few Greek, Roman, and Hindu gods that I think are pretty cool. But even if they were real, I would never worship them. Respect them, maybe. But never worship.
What do you mean by worship?
I have my price. What's in it for me?
A lifelong delusion that you'll survive your own death and live on in a state of eternal bliss.
Oh, and you'd get to laud it over anyone who refuses to share in your delusion of course. You also get to pretend there are divine rules that you are privy to, and you can tailor these to how you want others to live their lives.
There may be some snappy tunes to sing along to of course, and some tax breaks. A certain amount of remuneration to be fleeced from the hapless sheeple.
There are only three things I could feasibly have been said to worship. And they are no longer here.
Thus, no. As chimp3 said, I have a price. And he can't pay it.
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@tinman
“As I have said many times before, I can think of nothing I would ever worship,” This is why I always say Atheists are ½ Muslim. As Muslims, we believe that there is no god except, Allah. You have the first part down solid, now, all I have to do is get you to see the second part lol. Not an easy task, I am sure.
@Hulkster
Sorry to burst your bubble, big guy, but I'm afraid I must not have been very clear. Not exactly sure what "first part" I have "down solid", but for the sake of trying to take any and all doubt or misunderstanding out of the equation, please allow me to be more specific.
There is nothing that I could ever imagine worshipping. Okay, more to the point, I steadfastly REFUSE to worship ANYTHING. (Hey, call me a rebellious upstart, but it's just not my style.) However, I would ESPECIALLY NOT worship any person/being/creature/entity that would have to gall to demand it be worshipped. Again, in my mind, anything like that is not even worthy of respect, much less worthy of being worshipped.
@tinman
Thanks for clarifying and yes you were VERY clear from the beginning
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This was too obvious for you to have missed. The first part was the belief that there is no god, and the second, that the first part is true except for belief in Allah.
@Calhais Re: First and second part
Hey, thanks for clearing that up for me! *smiling*.... That really did have me a bit puzzled. You are right, it was too obvious. Probably why it zinged right over my head. I always tell people the best way to hide something from me is to put it in plain sight. *chuckle* Again, thanks.
@Tinman
“That really did have me a bit puzzled. You are right, it was too obvious….” I honestly thought you were joking or being sarcastic when you said “Not exactly sure what "first part" I have "down solid"” lol guess not
@Hulkster
Yeah, sadly, the rusted gears and springs between my ears sometimes have annoying little glitches like that. And I'm pretty sure that hamster running in the wheel has gradually been taking more and more breaks over the years. lol
@Searching for truth: This is why I always say Atheists are ½ Muslim
LOL. And you are 99.9999% atheist. You reject all of the thousands of gods except one. You are an atheist for Zeus, Thor, Odin, Amaterasu, etc. We've just gone one step further. And stepping over Allah is just one small step for man, and a giant leap for mankind.
I was going to say this but Algebe beat me to it.
Wait. That doesn't work. It can't be both that atheists are half Muslim, and Muslims (like the clown who named himself `searching for truth') are, to a different degree, atheists. The system {A = (1/2)*M, M = 0.999999*A} has no solutions, save for some irrelevant modular numbers.
Edit: yeah, this was pretty dumb of me to write. Modular numbers indeed. (0,0) is a solution to the given system, but I also gave the wrong system because in order for the system to model both users, neither A nor M can be 0.
They are linearly independent, there is a (more or less obvious) solution.
You got me. 0 it is.
@Calhais Re: "Wait. That doesn't work...... The system {A = (1/2)*M, M = 0.999999*A} has no solutions, save for some irrelevant modular numbers."
LMAO.... Okay, now THAT is good! That pretty much made my morning. lol
@algebe
"LOL. And you are 99.9999% atheist. You reject all of the thousands of gods except one. " I would accept that statement lol
I agree with you for once, at least you are honest. Got an actual agree from me, you are so close to the truth man, just... let it in.
By the way, thanks, Hulkster! You just gave me an idea for a new thread. Cool!
Zakir Naik??
@alpha
"Zakir naik??" Correct. Looks like someone has been paying attention
To be honest, I don't know the answer Xenoview. I'd say that I'd probably not love it, nor like it, nor worship it. I might try to pretend to worship it to avoid any consequences that might arise from not doing so, but the god would know that I wouldn't be being sincere, and the fake worship would be seen through and wouldn't count.
The same ought to apply to anyone else who kinda believes, and just worships just in case. It's Pascal's Wager. If the adoration and worship are not sincere, then "God" will see through it, (if the "God" exists). Thus to accept Pacal's Wager is a very silly principle - you can't believe something to order, you have to be convinced. Consequently you can't be sincere to order either.
Having said all that, I'd NOW say 'NO! I too wouldn't worship it, because the God of the bible is a monster!". I'd have to suffer any consequences of that.
Of course, if there really is a god, the Bible may have completely misrepresented it, so the Bible might be just a load of babble!!! Who'd have thought it?
Mutorc
If I cared more about the opinion of a god more than my own opinion, there would be something deeply troubling about my worldview.
All right, I'll bite. What about that your worldview would be deeply troubling if you cared more about the opinion of a god more than your own opinion?
Well, it would mean that I wouldn't be following my own conscience.
I wonder why your conscience makes you feel that way.
I do not see the wisdom in following actions I do not see the wisdom of.
That doesn't make clear what you think wisdom is or why you think it's wise. That was the point of my previous comment, rewritten in the language of your latest comment.
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