@john - Imagine a man goes and steals a TV. As he is walking out of the store police show up. He is guilty of second degree robbery, and in some states the penalty can be up to 15 years. So let me ask, is there anything he can do to escape the penalties of his actions? Can he whip out some cash, give it to the police, and be like "Yeah I tried to steal it, but look, I just paid for it, so I'm not guilty?" What if he promises never to steal again, and vows to not only pay for every TV he ever wants, but pay double for it? The judge will only say good, you can start as soon as you're out of jail.

It's strange you should use this example here. Now what if some dude shows up during the court proceedings and declares. Execute me for this man's sins and in return this man shall be given a mansion to stay in and all the luxuries life has to offer but he must call me his god.
I suspect the judge would still sentence the robber and probably send the new character to a mental hospital. How can the human sacrifice of one man be the ransom for the sins if humanity. And how can believing that that act was gods will grant me salvation? It is insane.
Oh and by the way when did god create hell ? He very descriptively narrates creation of heaven and earth. Why didn't he create hell. Was it always there, eternal?
Finally you mentioned if we do what we are commanded we deserve no special commemoration, and while that's true we also deserve no punishment. Imagine your servant is asked to bring you a cup of tea and he does and the tea is well made and you enjoy it but still chose to beat him and abuse him mercilessly.
A good Hindu even if he does not deserve heaven at the very least dies nit deserve he'll.
And like the master if god was to torture innocence he is a sadist as he derives pleasure from torture or at the very least neither just nor merciful and not even close to good

Yea god created hell for the people he predetermined would burn in he'll forever. . . . . . . Thank God hell does not exist lol

@John...

No ! ....Sorry.......probably just a slip up on your part....but ....

"A Gentile is someone who is not Jewish/Christian.".

No.....a gentile is someone who is not a Jew/Jewish....

Im afraid christians are gentiles....
(although some mormons hold a different view ,believing non mormons to be gentiles.....this of course makes no sense ,rendering as it does jews as being gentile by their definition.)

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/gentile

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/gentiles?s=t

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gentile

http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/gentile_1

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gentile

@John - "the Bible talks about the idea of debt." Then you go on to give two metaphors on debts one about your student loan and the other about a king and his subject.

You really do need to think your metaphors through.

First let me address your metaphor. 1) your metaphor of you taking a student loan which was co-signed by a guaranteer. - 1) I did not take a loan. 2) I certainly didn't have any guaranteer. I did not ask any one to step in on my behalf.

2) India had a long tradition of landlords we called zamindars who became land owners through loansharking. What they would do is give loans at exorbitant prices and then to recover their loan and interest would usurp the land. At times they would falsify loans given when none was and then claim the land as collateral.
This reminds me of your king in the second metaphor. He was obviously above the station of the subject and could have falsified the loan given (it had to be false because as a subject I do not remember interacting with this king - kingdom of heaven, or even taking this loan.) and then he decides to sell off the subject , his wife and child as slaves (another barbaric act, befitting only of a god) and finally forgives this fictitious loan but says the deficit will remain.
Sounds to me this king is nothing but a loanshark, zamindar, scoundrel.

What debt do I owe any god. This concept of debt in the bible is just that a concept, philosophy, like karma or any other philosophy. It sounds nice but is baseless.
If this debt is the original sin then obviously I am not liable as I did not commit it and if these 2 characters Mr & Mrs Adam ever did exist you will have to prove lineage and the act. Your word for it is not enough.
secondly this demonic god destroyed the world before attempting to wipe out humanity in the case of noah, then he favoured one tribe on earth, the rest he called as gentile. Thus he showed favouritism. Whatever debts were owed. mass murder, genocide and prejudice against races more than makes up for it.

for Gods sake (I use that ironically). Adam and eve ate a fruit to which this dude goes bonkers on a murdering genocidal rampage. its a weird loan.

Let me put a metaphor here. you take out a loan but your business tanks and you cannot pay it back. does the bank let you declare bankruptcy or do they send a hit squad after you, your family, your kids, your neighbours and everyone you know and then chase you down generation after generation. I would assume only a psychopath would behave like this.

This kid is too brainwashed. He needs to be deprogrammed. The bible isn't a good source for anything but John persist in using it for his arguments. His mind is closed and shut off from critical thinking. The pollution that invades him is great and damaging. He is of an age of militant christianity. He talks about abortion with all the hallmarks of someone that has no idea of conception or the actually biology that takes place.

"and I'll be back ".....

We'll see......

Yes everything you say actually DOES hinge on the validity of the bible. Since the bible isn't in any way shape or form valid nor has it ever been validated and never will, I take your latest post as ceding that you have no way to PROVE anything. Perhaps you have questions about your faith, anyway your poor excuse about "test" when there is no school in session only further demonstrates your deceit.
Yes take a break. You need one. Take time out and actually try LOGIC instead of what I think you will do which is to go to one of your fellow propagandist for reassurance.