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Daniel McCoy's picture
I think it interesting that

I think it interesting that you seem slightly confused by your own position. You claim to be a follower of Jesus but throw God into the mix as if God himself is not relevant.This makes me wonder if you have even read the bible and understand what it is you profess to believe in and follow. Christians have mucked up the entire concept of God and Jesus by doing damage control through the centuries. When the story line proved to be false, they simply changed the story by interpreting the messages to suit the situation. I'm curious about why you have such a devout interest in Jesus. Here we have a character in a story; "The greatest story ever told" as some like to see it. Baby Jesus, born of Mary..father "Unknown but presumed to be God", or so the angels say, King of Kings, feared by the rulers of the day and revered by wise strangers who travelled from afar to anoint the child and present this saviour of mankind with gifts and adoration.."hark the herald angels sing"..lovely story. His mother, a mere teen when told by the angel Gabriel she was to be the one to birth the son of God through immaculate conception, was single and pregnant, a crime punishable by being stoned to death, such is the word of God and the just punishment for any woman who dishonours her father.That was the lords law of the day, she managed to escape her just punishment by convincing Joseph to marry her..even though he had great reservations about this, an angel came to him and explained the whole thing...lucky for Mary, great for baby Jesus.Mary was an outlaw, Jesus almost a bastard..imagine the sigh of relief. Anyway, we all know the story about the birth of the Christ child..the messiah, the saviour of all mankind ,Jesus.Then..what? Jesus is off into obscurity, no records of life events, no stories of his greatness, his achievements,his talents, his good deeds..nada, ziltch, nothing..no one is seeking him out or asking for blessings...no kings are trying to kill him and there's no record of anyone bearing gifts to this King of Kings, this messiah, this saviour of mankind.What happened to all the angels singing and wise men and wonderment? This is supposed to be the son of God, the saviour!!!! Well..he reappears when in his early 30's when he starts his ministry..try to remember, it was a Jewish ministry and Jesus was a devout Jew. he practices his ministry for all of 3.5 years or so, before being killed by the very Jewish leaders of his very own religion..why? Because the Jews were the favourites of God and Jesus was a rebel causing lots of trouble...so they killed him through false witness..what we call lies today, very unbecoming of God's most cherished race amongst men. So..what we have is a person who's claim to fame was never celebrated after his birth, there's no record of Jesus at all until his ministry begins, and this person is then killed by the religious leaders who found him a threat. Seems like a very suspect story doesn't it? But the real problem with Christianity isn't the absurd stories the lack of records or the lies...the real problem is the word of God. Christianity is built upon a false premise, a creation of man, the ideals of man and all the faults of man as they existed at that time. Slavery was Okay, subjugation of women was Okay, Stoning a woman to death for dishonouring her father was Okay, rape was okay, killing anyone who did not believe as you believed was not only Okay, it was your duty as a Christian. Is this what you believe in and practice? Is this truly a religion you can stand behind and say.."It's a beautiful thing"..religion was and is one of the most murderous organizations ever to have existed and continues to kill millions even today. Did you know that all three of the main God based religions are based on the old testament? Islam, Judaism and Christianity all have the same roots. I can't condone such a God and certainly wouldn't consider adoring his son Jesus.Everything I've said here can be verified through the bible, just read it.

Sandi Klingenberg Starr's picture
"... there's no record of

"... there's no record of Jesus at all until his ministry begins, and this person is then killed by the religious leaders who found him a threat."

Hi Daniel, you seem to have a pretty good grasp of what a Christian believes. Would it be safe for me to presume that you yourself have experience within the Christian faith? Just curious. If not, kudos, you've done your homework. You do a great job in pointing out that Jesus was himself a Jew who dared to challenge the Jewish leaders, especially as it concerned their own hypocracy. Ironic? So I wanted to make one small, but possibly important flaw in your information. It may actually interest you that there were indeed records concerning Jesus during what is referred as the "silent" or "apocryphal" period where Jesus seems to disappear between the ages of 12/13 to 30 when he reemerges to begin his ministry. Believe it or not a few of these books are contained in the Catholic version of the Bible. Many of these books were purposely denied canonization and kept out of the Bible for a few reasons. A few of these books known as the Apocrypha were for the most part duplications of books already contained in the biblical text that had, say, a few additional lines of scripture that were believed to not be significant enough as to add any value. There are couple+ of additional 2nd books to books already contained in the Bible. If my memory serves me, I think one was a 2nd book to the book of Ruth. There were also very small additional books that did actually reference Jesus during this period, however, if you think the stories in the Bible are absurd, well then you may be in for a treat! If you're interested, you might be able to locate a copy at a local library or bookstore. I'm unsure if they are still in print. There are, I understand, a number of additional Apocryphal books kept by the Catholic church, but it would be virtually impossible to be allowed permission to view them. Makes you kinda wonder, huh?

Josh Gibbons's picture
To fully understand why

To fully understand why atheists tend to openly mock your religion, you should start by looking at your religion. Read your bible. In its entirety. It's how I (and I'm sure many others) became an atheist. Compare what goes on in that book to the real world current day. It literally says multiple times that non-believers, and people of different faiths should be put to death, alont with dozens of other atrosities. To base one beliefs on such an atrophic, contradictory, falaced, 2000 year old book seems rediculous to a modern day thinking man.
Also think about this; there are thousands of different religions (even more gods), and they all believe christianity it's rediculous and non - sensible as well. As I'm sure you might see the belief of hinduism to not make sense. Every religion claims to be right, and claims all other to be wrong, but give absolutely no evidense for either claim (which is why faith is necisarry). So basically you have a 1/5000+ chance of being correct about life and not wasting it worshipping something that doesn't exist. It is much more probable that no religion is correct, than 1 out of 5000+.
Another thing to think about is why you are christian. Do you think if your parents were Islamic, that you would still believe in jesus? Think about it.
I would also like for you to look at the definition of the word faith, the word theists glorify so much. It's defined as to believe in something without evidense. And is that not insane sounding to you? To just believe some thing because your told to, without question? Children are essentially brainwashed because they are never taught to question anything. And as soon as they start (as kids are one to do), they are told a scare tactic that an evil creature called the devil was giving us those questions. And that if we give in to them we will burn forever after we die.and that leads me to my next point.
Look at what religion has done to us.look at the wars. Look at the countless deaths in the name of god. The countless suicides by Christian homosexuals who thought they were horrible sinners for how they were born. Religion personally controlled my life for a while, I was constantly scared and asking for forgiveness for shit that wasn't even bad, but might of been a "sin". Christians use "sin" as a was to make people feel about themselves, so that they think they need salvation and get them into their religion. Christians use Hell as a scare tactic, so to scare people onto their religion. And Christians use heaven as to bribe people into their religion. As a christian, I fell into each of those traps (or rather was raised in them) and that's exactly how I felt; trapped. To be free from such thoughts is a sense of freedom you will not understand. I control my life now. And im happy now. And I'm not worried about whoever or whatever thinks about that. I see no evidense for an afterlife, I believe this is our only life, and I believe I'm going to live it learning as much as I can using the scientific method, and being happy.

Sandi Klingenberg Starr's picture
YES! Religion is so very

YES! Religion is so very harmful to the person who believes in it too! It fosters so much self hate, false guilt, etc.! Additionally, religions that preach a message of eternal damnation and separation from God, is in reality not based so much on faith, as much as it is based on fear. It's all packaged in a way so the the believer views himself in bondage in need of liberation while it's actually the complete opposite

Travis Hedglin's picture
"So, I would like to know

"So, I would like to know what you guys think about people like myself who believe in Jesus Christ."

It is none of my business what you believe, unless you make it my business by making it law or proselytizing, otherwise you are welcome to your beliefs no matter how silly I might personally find them to be.

"I would like to know why some Athiests seem to hate followers of Jesus."

Some people hate religion, not simply yours, but all of it. They see it as the single most divisive and destructive force in our nature. I myself don't subscribe to that ideology, though I can see why some might, especially if they have had bad experiences with it. Religion, believe it or not, is sort of like a drug; in moderation it can be neutral and possibly beneficial, but in extremes it is a terrible thing.

"And also, why some Atheists mock, make fun of, and ridicule my beliefs? "

They don't believe them, they find them ridiculous and silly, much like you might think of Scientology or Mormons.

Сергей октябрьский человек's picture
Jessej1s89 - Well, to answer

Jessej1s89 - Well, to answer your questions on my front, I can start by saying that I respect your views as you are Christian, I was once christian too when I was younger.

What I think of Christians/Other Religious Groups - I think that if they don't talk about or preach of their divine deity in front of my face as you'd expect a stereo typical form of religious follower, i'm perfectly fine with that, they do their thing, I do mine, and as long as I am not told that I will go to hell if I do not worship God then its all good and I can live with people that would see the point in that, as it would not shed my now atheistic beliefs upon the religious.

Why some people hate religious followers - This one has a few reasons, as mentioned before some Atheists were Christians some time ago and there are many reasons in the bible that lead to some hating religious followers, however some reasons are to do with the person the Atheist has met or had experiences with that drive the Atheist to hate that person or at worst, get a negative view of all religious followers from that.

One example is the average preacher, the kind of one that likes to tell people upfront that you will go to hell if you do not worship this god, and that all other gods and other divine deities are the false god, not many people like being told that they will go to a place filled with demon fire and brimstone to suffer in agony for all eternity.

Another is that say if you had one relative, that you loved and cared for, but that person didn't believe in the religion you did, the bible states that non-believers go to hell, so what would you do if this was the case? if the person you loved (family or other) with all you're heart was going to go to hell and you had no real way of trying to help that person.

Other reasons involve that most Atheists see religion as a whole, something that divides humanity to no end, among the crimes committed on the world stage in the name of one god or another god, blood spilt waging wars in the past (The Crusades) that openly slaughtered Muslims in the name of God (when they were only there to ransack precious gold or silver as they were in a recession at the time and they needed funding).

Sometimes they just think what the bible teaches is not true, that there is no empirical evidence to support the notion of a god that if he so wanted, could make life on earth perfect with the click of his fingers...but does not, a god so cruel that he'd allow all sorts of vicious diseases to ravage the men and women he created, and some of them are very nasty.

I could go on for a while stating reasons, but I will stop stating because i'd be here all day, but these are my answers to your questions, and I hope you found them satisfying enough for a debate.

Diotrephes's picture
The Bible says that there are

The Bible says that there are no marriages in heaven so why would anyone believe that they will know their former family members in the golden cube? The whole purpose of being there is to sing God's praises 24/7 for all eternity.

Other religions have better afterlifes, at least for some people, but none of them are really family friendly.

Buddy James Fazzio's picture
While I respect your right to

While I respect your right to believe what you want, I do not respect the belief in any god. Would you respect someone who believes in Santa or the Tooth Fairy? That is what your belief amounts to in the eyes of an atheist.

Even then we would respect followers of Jesus more if many of us were not 100 times more scientifically and biblically literate then moray christians.

You follow a god who, if he were real, killed 42 children for calling a man bald 2nd Kings 2:23

You follow a god who could not keep his angels from having sex with human women Gen 6:4

Those and hundreds of verses like them are why we mock your beliefs.

Em Kay's picture
Thanks for asking. I think

Thanks for asking. I think your eyes are clear and bright but you're not there. Anyone who sees invisible anything and talks to it expecting it to "take the wheel" is nuttier than fruitcake. Please don't drown your babies in a bathtub if your invisible friend tells you to...

Algebe's picture
"your eyes are clear and

"your eyes are clear and bright but you're not there."

Zombies? "She's not there." I love that song.

corybedford's picture
Here's my two cents, I work

Here's my two cents, I work in an industry that very regularly is in Christian churches of every sect. The thing I've noticed in my experience is this: people are people, I'm sure that's a bit cliche but it's true. Religion isn't the line that divides, it comes down to an asshole being an asshole because they are an asshole. lol Religion is just a tool they use not the dividing line whether your talking about an Atheist making fun of a religion or vice versa.

I've met some really cool Christians in my various travels to different churches but I've also met some rather vile ones as well. I can say the same for Atheists. People are people. An asshole is an asshole regardless of religion. A cool person is a cool person regardless of religion.

This may have come out more like 25 cents rather than 2 cents.

Andrew Thomas's picture
Everyone has the right to

Everyone has the right to their opinion, and everyone has an obligation to criticize, ridicule and ostracize people whose opinions are ridiculous. That's how a society progresses. As my peers have said, some of us just hate religion- all religion. The reason we hate it is because those ridiculous beliefs hold us back, as individuals and as a society. I can have no respect for a person more concerned with the opinion of an imaginary figure in the sky (who, by definition, made some children be born with leukemia and others born into sexual slavery), than they are with the well being of their fellow man.

What's most frustrating is that you don't seem dull or bigoted; you're fully capable of using fundamental logic and reason, that's in the brain of every human, to abolish your god and live a life free of faith and for your fellow man. But you don't. Afraid, entrapped, apathetic, whatever the reason; adherence to religious belief shows that the believer is more concerned with their comfort and 'salvation' than they are for those humans suffering around them (real suffering, starving and dying and caught in wars started by religions, for example). So, not to speak for my peers and being as polite as I can, that's why I loathe your and all other religions, why I have zero respect for you or any other believer, and why I will always go out of my way to insult, embarrass and ridicule any believer and their beliefs always. Because I think you are bad for humanity, in every possibly sense. And you choose to be that.

Kosmik's picture
I don't hate people, nor do I

I don't hate people, nor do I necessarily hate religion. What I feel is that religion ultimately does more harm than good. It can be
psychologically harmful for a multitude of reasons, and in some cases can help people justify their harsh judgments and abuse of others. It can stunt educational growth when parents choose to ignore science, deny evolution, and misunderstand the scientific method. Read about history and you'll learn that religion has been the cause of death, war and heinous crimes. On the other hand there are religious organizations that do wonderful things for people around the world, which is positive up until the point that the only purpose is to be a missionary. These are just a few reasons that some atheists are also anti-theist. I don't hate religious people, I'm not against religious people. I wish all people could live in universal harmony.

Kosmik's picture
It goes without saying that

It goes without saying that all people carry their beliefs differently. And I do believe individuals have freedom to believe as they wish.

Kosmik's picture
It goes without saying that

It goes without saying that all people carry their beliefs differently. And I do believe individuals have freedom to believe as they wish.

Daniel McCoy's picture
I think you'll find that

I think you'll find that Atheists are not into the hate business, we leave that to religious folk of all types. We are more into learning, seeking truth, discoveries, logic, reason...you know, science and humanistic philosophies. For the most part through the years, atheists have practised live and let live. The thinking was, religion does no harm, but history, evidence and the practices of God based religions has proven otherwise and must be stopped. More and more , religions try to creep into government and influence laws...in the middle east the governments of many nations are run by religious clerics and what you'll find is, this doesn't go well for the people. My advice is simple. If you are going to profess a firm belief in a religion, know as much as you can about it before doing so...or look like a fool when asked serious questions.

Rhea's Rage's picture
Many reasons, but let's just

Many reasons, but let's just start with the premise that the God of the bible is in fact real. Well how can you follow a murderer? I don't care who you are or what you are or for what reason you think, to kill every single person on the planet in a great flood is beyond cruel and reasonable. And for that alone I would never follow that God. I would never follow a God who claims to give free will, and then holds burning in hell for all eternity over your head if you choose not to believe in him. I can't believe in a god who allows innocent children to suffer needlessly. I can't believe in a good who so many Christians claim answers prayers, but does not answer the prayers of women being raped or children sodomized. I can not follow a god like that. But more importantly it just reveals to me that there is no God. A real true loving caring wise God would be much better than the God of the bible. To have all that power and wisdom and to have made that many mistakes again proves there is no God. I could go on and on. But that's some of it. A lot of people on here have given great answers. Really soak them up and then truly ask yourself, is this God real or do I believe in him because that's how I was raised, and lam afraid to not believe? Think about it.

Christopher McInnis's picture
its a common misconception

its a common misconception that an atheist person is different from a theist person in other ways than having a disbelief of nearly all concepts that are regarded today as theistic. truthfully, you must reassess your thoughts in that respect. all people are different in small ways, every person is comparable in grand ways. each day is a chance to strive for the answers to questions human kind should have answered by now but the culture we inherit always and without exception asks for our loyalty. It should be the goals of a culture that attract its followers, not fear of suffering or abandonment. As a caucasian american male i have inherited a culture that surely gives me 'carte blanche' in many ways and for that i certainly am embarassed. However, that is not where i keep my loyalty and thus i am one of many persons marginalized by the (let's be honest) Christian Majority, the caucasian majority, the capitalist minority and the illusory American Dream. people should be angry at a groups who ignore and stigmatize those who are marginalized in growing numbers. The fact is im an atheist and an unapologetic blasphemer in the eyes of many, but to some i remain a steadfast, unformally educated, seeker of truths and speaker of inspiration. I hold people accountable to what they believe in the context of conversation but violence begets violence because we are a competitive species and most all atheists know and embrace that value just as many people of other faiths do.

Takk's picture
Just imagine that you went to

Just imagine that you went to another country where everyone around you believed in Shiva.

If you say outloud that you dont believe, the whole room becomes tense and you know that there are stories of people being killed over it. You would feel like I do in America.

People, even our president, thank god and bring it up all the time. It's on the money in my hand... the subject is thrown into random points throughout every day of my life and I am so outnumbered and looked at as so rude and mean-spirited if I ever were to say a word openly about my non belief...

It can be very hard to take the stream of people who try to "save" me too.

I respect your humanity. But, I will never respect the belief of the billion who believe in Shiva or the billions who believe in Yahweh. It's all madness and just being born in a different family who taught you a different thing.

Simon Balfre's picture
Hello jessej1s89, personally

Hello jessej1s89, personally I have no problem with someone else's beliefs if those beliefs enable them to deal with the difficulties life throws at them, if it helps them to be decent people with respect for others. The only things I have problems with are when believers try (and some do) and brow beat folk like me into converting and more so when believers commit all manner of atrocities in the name of their god. But there is something closer to home than over zealous witnessing and terrorism, that is hypocrisy. I was raised as a Roman Catholic and as a young child I had the misfortune to witness and experience the hypocrisy and the domestic violence that hid behind it. The fact that others in the congregation knew and did nothing, the fact that the priest knew and did nothing shocked me to my very core. I see much more hypocrisy now across all Christian denominations. I know that a great many folk who follow the Christian faith are decent people, but I often ask myself why - if they know of the rot - those good people do nothing to remove it?

Diego Diaz's picture
Something that lacks

Something that lacks questioning lacks a solid fundation. You ask why atheist redicule (religions) and the answer is quite simple, we've asked the questions that logically eliminate the idea of a magical entity that created everything with a purpose and now is bored and needs our full devotion. If you ask the right questions then you can become an atheist yourself. Ex. Who created the creator? What was the role of this newly created creator before he created everything? What was the purpose of the creator who created the creator? What was he or she or it doing before it creates god? There was a point were nothing existed, now you wanna tell me that there was a purposeless entity residing in nothingness, and then some how had the intelligence to decide to create a creator. This creator then just chilled for eternity until it decided to create our universe. Now his role is to babysit us even though we are a recent phenomenon (relatively speaking) we have been here as fully human for only a few million years, but the universe is over 14 billion years old. Why did he wait so long? What was the purpose of the cosmos before humanity, if the "creation" was made for us? Now if you want to say that god has always been, then why not apply the same logic to a universe that is eternal process of destruction and creation. If you ask the right questions you just might unbrainwash yourself. I open the door for you to walk through...

Heri Joensen's picture
"Respect for your opinion,

"Respect for your opinion, respect for mine as well."

It is very very important to distinguish between the following two:

- respect for an opinion
- respect for the right to an opinion

Your right to an opinion is entitled to our unconditional respect and approval. It is one of the basic pillars of democracy and civil society. But your right to have your opinion respected by us is non existent. Opinions must, as all ideas, earn their merit in the free marketplace of ideas.

Jeff Vella Leone's picture
Yea , I was tempted to make a

Yea , I was tempted to make a similar clarification but didn't want to make another post since this topic is expanding like a forest on fire during a dry sunny day.

Don Birren's picture
Hi, Jesse.

Hi, Jesse.

Thank you for your very respectful inquiry.

I'm married to a Christian. We both used to be Catholic; I quit entirely without looking for a replacement and she shopped around for one. So my tolerance for, and understanding of, religion is very high, but that doesn't mean that I won't sometimes call "Bullshit!" when my step-daughter (very Christian) or someone from my wife's church says something intolerant. I attend a weekly, Friday night thing called "Life Group" with my wife at other church members' homes and have gotten to know a lot of them pretty well. We sometimes talk about jobs, science fiction, movies, projects, etc. But sometimes they say things that require refutation, such as "homosexuality is a lifestyle choice." When someone says that, I speak up. Most of the time, they're just studying biblical passages relevant to the previous Sunday's sermon Bible study class.

Most of the people there know I'm atheist, but a few weeks ago, one woman opened up with an anti-atheist joke. I asked her if she would ever tell a joke about black people with a black person in the room.

If you want to spend your time believing things exist that have no known method to verify their existence, that's your business, and I, as an atheist have no issue with it. But when those beliefs start affecting others' life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, then we'll have words.

Have a great day!

AntigoneRisen's picture
Hi Jesse.

Hi Jesse.

First, I'd like to say that having a view on all Christians, "followers of Jesus," or whatever you wish to call them would be a form of stereotyping. Other than to say that they obviously subscribe to magical and irrational thinking (a man survived his own death and virgin births, to name some cornerstone beliefs), I have no blanket opinions. People have the compete right to believe in anything they want or worship whatever they want. Frankly, I don't care if you worship your lawnmower, so long as you leave me out of it.

Now, when people's beliefs start infringing upon my or anyone else's rights and societal progress, then I have something to say about it. I certainly don't feel kindly towards those who do.

So, worship your lawnmower. When the position becomes that laws should be passed based upon the wishes of your lawnmower, we have a problem. When people are persecuted and discriminated against due to the wishes of the lawnmower, I've got a problem. When the position becomes that I or others are somehow lacking for not worshiping your lawnmower, I refute that argument.

Replace lawnmower with Jesus (or Yahweh, Krishna, Kali, Durga, Isis, Budda, etc) and you have your answer.

Hope this helps.

Taylor Lilly's picture
Hello Jessej1s89 (can I call

Hello Jessej1s89 (can I call you Jesse?)

I don't normally respond to things like this but I find myself especially interested since you seem to be so open minded. This is how debate should be- neither side threatened by the other, just exchanging ideas.

First of all, I don't hate religious people. My family is Christian. I have some beautiful Muslim friends along with Hindi and ... well, to be honest, I don't know what else. I don't go around asking too much.

My offense with any religion itself is more a battle for the human mind. A free thinking, coherent, logical human mind.

Many of the religious texts try to find ways to get humans to constrain their minds. For example, they try to make you believe (in the same way parents use Santa Clause) that you will be judged for certain things. Not even your own mind is safe- god can hear your thoughts.

I was told when I was young that the only unforgivable sin was questioning god. Coupled with "oh and he can hear your thoughts" and suddenly you are trapped into limiting your thinking. Even questioning God was risking my very soul. This is manipulation- it inserts fear into your daily life to control your mind.

We have only one thing in this world we can be sure of- our own minds (and bodies in general). Everything we do, see, hear, touch... it all passes through the filter of the human mind. It is the only tool we have to know our universe.

So it must be protected from attack. It must know how to see conflicting ideas, weigh them, and see which one is worthier. It cannot do this if it's afraid to think clearly.

Zac's picture
i myself am not an athiest,

i myself am not an athiest, though i support many concepts puforth by athiests. i also follow athiest pages and thier websites. Though your question was to athiest , i too wanted to share my views in this post.

Athiest never hate religious people. They only hate the bad things done in the name of religion. One of my neighbour was a bully, he has also done many uncomfortable things which ended up harmful. But after that he started believing jesus and started going to church. Those his family had lots of athiest members . they never stopped him from believing . Because they believed he found out something that made him a righteous man. He found control over himself regardless of how he got it. Until it dint affect anyone.

What i understood from athiest pages is that . Athiest look people who believe in god similar to kids believing in imaginary friends. But the fact what angers them is that the religious people put nature and other people into trouble believing too much into what they consider as sacred without understanding the actual truth behind it. People are just scared of an entity and do wrong things rather than believing in what is right. In that process they become selfish and a zombie controlled by few who proclaim themselves as gods right hand man.

These are my views and am sorry if i have made anyone feel uncomfortable by this.

DesolateProphet's picture
Well Jesse, it looks like you

Well Jesse, it looks like you are getting some of what you wanted.

If you are curious about what others believe about Christians, I would suggest that you broaden your search. Here you are narrowly focused on atheists and their views. Atheists are still a very small minority in America and certainly not the only source of hatred. If you look to the broader public opinion, you will start to see some separation between god and Christianity or sometime the church. What I found interesting is that people were OK with the concept of god, but dislike Christians or the church.

I would suggest that you read a couple of books that I found very enlightening. The first one “Divine Commodity” by Skye Jethani. He basically shows that the church has a mass consumer mindset. It is about self and what’s in it me. Religion in America is a billion dollar money machine and churches are nothing more than country clubs controlled by priest. As a bit of trivia, the first vending machine in history was to dispense holy water. I think in ancient Egypt.

The second book is “unChristian: What a New Generation Really Thinks about Christianity...and Why It Matters” by David Kinnaman. This book really gets into what turns people off about Christianity. You will find in here that people do not reject god (unlike an atheist), but the church. Both books are written by Christian and the research is done by Christians. You will find it most informative.

I would also suggests that you become a silent listener in your own church. You will start to hear the hate within the self-righteousness vocabulary. It is one of the reasons I left the Southern Baptist Convention, which by the way are the only true believers ;-). Listen to how they talk about the poor, visitors, those who dress differently, those who can’t make every Sunday and Wednesday. You may be surprised. You will start to hear how everyone on the outside is looking to destroy America. I found it interesting for a people who had not been give the spirit of fear (2 Timothy 1:7), the messages are full of fear.

Enjoy. Hopefully, a few thing to think about.

TiaLee's picture
Jesse. Oh, Jesse. I hope you

Jesse. Oh, Jesse. I hope you are really here to learn, or at least to understand.

Religions have always been about controlling people. In modern days, it was discovered that you could also make a bucket load of money while gaining political power-which is what controlling people is.

Lots of folks claim to be christian. (or whatever) They all claim their religion is the best, their cult of that religion is the best, their church of that cult is the best. That is all just human tribal nature.

What I hate about religion is it's constant effort to force others into it's fold. In America, that is the christian religion and it already has quite a toehold on our "secular" government. Now you have people out their so ravenous for money and power, that they will claim anything to get christians to do their dirty work. You know, like subjugating women, criminalizing race or sexual orientation through legislation. Look at all of the politicians using christianity to make abortion illegal or impossible when it is already a right for all women in this country. (not to mention contraceptives! I mean, how asinine is that?) It should be an everyday procedure for all women everywhere. But men, empowered by christianity(or islam-take your pick of them all), always want the total say over what happens to their pregnant "whores".

Now you will claim that "those people are not real christians". So why do all of you "innocent REAL christians" out there keep putting them into power in our government? How would you feel if Muslims were taking over the American government? That is exactly how I feel when christians are doing it.

Christians also seem to worry a lot about THEIR "freedoms", but no one else's. How would that make you feel, if the shoe were on the other foot? How would you feel if a restaurant forbid you to pray over your meal? How would you feel if your public buildings were decorated with Jewish symbols and no others? Would you want to live in a country where saying you are "christian" out loud is liable to get you harmed or even killed? You know, like atheist and LGBT folks feel now in the USA? Do you not understand that when it is OK with you that your "leaders" want to make law based on their egregious beliefs, that I, an atheist, feel the horror that you feel when your leaders continue to scare you into obedience with threats of "sharia law"?

If religious people could just take a few moments out of their self-righteous day and try a little empathetic thinking, perhaps you will have a clear understanding as to why people who do not share your religion find you terrifying and oppressive and even monstrous.

It is no different than all of those white folks out there saying that "black people were better off as slaves" or that "racism is in the past" while they know that they will never have to feel any of that in their lives. Like the rich have now gotten a good lot of "christians" in this country looking down on the poor-many of who were put there by the christian republicans in very recent years.

We know that all religions have blood on their hands. We all know that the bible and all the other books praise atrocity in the name of that religion's total power. Maybe those "leaders" have convinced millions of you that religion is all about joy and peace, kindness and giving. But still, you all rage for war and turn your eyes from dying children and homeless people that those wars create. Some of you even see war and natural disasters as a great opportunity to jump in and start converting those vulnerable people to your ponzie scheme, all in the name of "aid". You never give without a plan of some return.

I don't hate a person just because they are "christian". I hate what they do in it's name. I hate their hypocrisy and their callousness and their lack of empathy for anyone not on their same bandwagon. I hate that they continually justify all kinds of bad behavior in the name of their religion and call it "doing good".

If you are not a hypocrite, if you do not believe that the things that christians do all over the world (like denying condoms to people during an AIDS epidemic, like turning people in other countries against each other, all in the name of christianity, then why do you bother to believe any kind of religious dogma at all? People can, and do, wonderful, compassionate things for one another all of the time simply out of the genetically innate kindness and social order of all social beings. Do you really need someone else to tell you what is right and what is wrong? Or is it the fear, plain and simple, that the "christians" bang into your head day in and day out that keeps you from thinking?

These are just some of the reasons that I dislike religious people. I would hate religion,but religions is not a THING, it is it's people. It is a meme that has flourished far too long in human culture. It is destroying our very planet, has callous disregard for all other life on the Earth, a lot of it other human life. I believe that religion is the root of all evil in humans, not money. Because religion is what humans use to get that money, to justify their corruption, to blind their minions so they keep giving them that power to do it all over again.

I have lots of friends who "believe". Probably more than I know, since I never ask. I judge them on how they behave, as they do me. You wouldn't believe how many jaws I have seen dropped to the floor when they realize that I do not share their beliefs. They cannot comprehend that anyone could be a decent human being without following at least one of the religious cults. Because, if they can begin to see that, acknowledge that, their puppet masters will have a lot to worry about.

Jesse, I don't know, but I have a feeling that teh reason religious people everywhere hate people who have no belief in gods, is because they know that we plainly see that their emperor has no clothes. And the more people that see that, the less money and power they will have.

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Lovely post, Tia, lovely.

Lovely post, Tia, lovely.

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