I'm an atheist Jew. I'd love to challenge you

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Searching for truth's picture
Rivka,

Rivka,

Fine. Hulk will bite lol and join in what seems more of a troll thread and let's see where this goes. I already know it will be a waste of time as I've seen and heard many people like you issuing such a "challenge" but, unfortunately they all end up as a waste of time in the end.

First, establish a criteria for your challenge

Rivka's picture
arakish said it best! Based

arakish said it best! Based of that criteria, and mine, I accept.

Tin-Man's picture
@Rivka

@Rivka

Pssst..... *whispering*... hey, ask hulkster the same questions arakish asked him... *giggle-giggle*...

Rivka's picture
Okay, here we go! Can you

Okay green boy (hulk), here we go! Can you please tell me where you got the revelation that your beliefs are the truth? And if you were just born into it, how can you trust them?

...just thinking of you gives me a headache. Anyone, where’s this guy when he’s not strong and mighty?

Tin-Man's picture
@Rivka Re: Hulkster

@Rivka Re: Hulkster

Hey there, young lady. Just a little FYI about our muscular green friend. He actually chose Islam purposely after a couple of years of research into various religions. Figured you should know that. It does tend to make a difference... *respectfully tipping my hat to the lady*...

Searching for truth's picture
Thank you Tinman. The intro

Thank you Tinman. The intro is always appreciated. Maybe add some fireworks next time for entertainment value lol

arakish's picture
X-Files Man: "...what seems

X-Files Man: "...what seems more of a troll..."

Well you would know wouldn't you after looking at your avatar. And since it is a challenge thread...

  1. If your magic book is inerrant, why is so much effort invested to silence or kill its critics?
  2. Is it ever moral to kill non Muslims?
  3. Is it ever moral for 50+ year old man to have sex with a nine year old child?
  4. What is the penalty for apostasy in Islam?
  5. Do you believe a horse could ever fly?
  6. Do you believe you will get 72 female virgins replenished daily when you die?
  7. What evidence can you demonstrate to support your belief that a deity exists?

rmfr

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Cognostic's picture
Taking bets now! $10 says

Taking bets now! $10 says Rivka will ask a question that the Hulkster will totally avoid.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
6/4ON that SfT will tell us

6/4ON that SfT will tell us how he "studied Islam" and decided that it made more sense than any other religion he looked at for 10 minutes.
100/4 on that he also tells Rivka that no one else has studied like him and therefor cannot possibly have the insights he has gained.

200/6 ON that he points out that every sect of Islam is wrong except the bits he embraces....

Then he will refuse to answer any questions about what is in his "holy" book and whether he agrees with the message of that passage or incidents in the life of his prophet....

Cognostic's picture
Alain showed up. Now you are

Alain showed up. Now you are in for it. THE QUEEN OF WOO WOO. By far the mindless mamma of mumbo-jumbo. The foolish floozy of freaky fakery. The dense darling of daring innuendo. The obtuse goose of the abstruse. The totally committed, dim witted religiously cemented, You are gonna love her.

arakish's picture
Perfect description. rmfr

Perfect description.

rmfr

Searching for truth's picture
@Rivka,

@Rivka,

Posting at the end to make it easier to find.

“arakish said it best! Based of that criteria, and mine, I accept.”

I do not know what your criteria is nor what the tree man said. By the way, there are about 2-3 people on these forums I never, ever read what they type. Our tree friend (Arakish) is one of them. So, criteria please. I would rather hear (more like read) it directly from you in order to avoid and miscommunications.

Your OP said

“To challenge someone of belief”

As you might have read by the tinman’s brief and accurate intro, I am a Muslim. With that said, since you want a challenge, let me issue the first challenge to you. Prove Allah wrong. Simple as that. Do that then let’s talk. Please do not deflect or attempt to answer my challenge with a question. Please do not do the “atheist dance” with me as I have seen it many times on these forums and in real life already.

Let me restate the challenge: Prove Allah wrong

Let me even make the challenge easier: Prove Allah does not exist

Just to be clear, transparent and forth coming, if you start deviating from this very exact and particular challenge, I will not be replying as it will only end up in a waste of time. I have seen enough from Atheists and Anti-theists to know when I am wasting my time. Even with this challenge I believe it’s a waste of time so, I am truly and honestly hoping you will prove me wrong.

I patiently and humbly await your reply.

David Killens's picture
Fail. You are asserting

Fail. You are asserting something and thus it is up to you to provide proof.

Rivka's picture
Ah, Mr. Hulk. . . prove Allah

Ah, Mr. Hulk. . . prove Allah wrong? How am I to do that? Will you give me an A on my chemistry quiz if I somehow do, and what about the tools? Will I have a ruler to measure his height? Can you at least give me a calculator to calculate him? Allah is suppose to be a spiritual being, but I'm material. Your question is a fallacy. I might as well ask you to disprove the Easter Bunny. . . go ahead, I'm waiting, and if you deflect by asking a question, or attempt the "theist dance," I will no longer respond to your posts.

Go ahead, disprove to me the Easter Bunny, I patiently and humbly await your reply,

Rivka

P.S., I just edited a misspell.

Searching for truth's picture
@Rivka

@Rivka

That's your opinion. Anyway, I see the dancing has started and I am not much of a dancer so I'll see bow out.

Rivka's picture
Hulk’s leaving, good riddance

Hulk’s leaving, good riddance!

Diotrephes's picture
Searching for truth,

Searching for truth,

"Prove Allah does not exist"

Allah, just like all of the other Gods, is imaginary and imaginary things do not exist except in your imagination. If he existed he would show his ugly mug to humanity. See, I can imagine that he is ugly because he has never, ever, shown himself to actual real live people. If you think he is handsome then that is your imagination.

If any god of any kind existed then it should show itself and claim the cosmic prize. Instead fanatics go around trying to force people to believe in their silly assed fairy tales. We really need a gigantic asteroid to smash into the planet and put humanity out of its misery of stupidity and superstition.

Rivka's picture
Yep, I could use an asteroid

Yep, I could use an asteroid right now, lol!

Rohan M.'s picture
@Diotrephes”We really need a

@Diotrephes

”We really need a gigantic asteroid to smash into the planet and put humanity out of its misery of stupidity and superstition.”

Now Dio, don’t be so pessimistic. We could instead just move past religious myth and superstition. I mean, it’s already happening in my country, and many others. We should keep on challenging religion and encouraging people to think critically and ask questions. As for the asteroid, I really hope that never happens. :/

Rivka's picture
I don't know about you, Mr.

I don't know about you, Mr. Hulk, or where you live (nor do I care, please), but if I were somehow transported to one of your Muslim countries, without one of those goofy masks on my face, they'd have every right to beat and possible kill me. Women in your society have NO rights! Your people kill them when they attempt reform, like f'n education, now don't sit here, stupid green boy, and tell me that your god is true, and that he didn't bother to give part of his creation, the rights they deserve!

Thankfully, the Muslim community at large is working on these issues, but they should've done it centuries ago!

Diotrephes's picture
Rivka,

Rivka,

You are making some passionate points but they can easily be refuted or at least deflected in a debate. While it is true that we consider the lives of women in muslim countries hellish they did have more freedom in some countries very recently than they do now. Women were reasonably well off in Syria and in Agfhanistan even in Iran before the wars and the fanatics took over. So some of that backward slide could be attributed to interference by the Western powers in their national affairs.

And don't forget that American women had very few rights until the 1920s. So American women have only been "free" less than 100 years. Women in other parts of the world had more poltical power than American women.

America has the best propaganda in the world but it is not necessarily the best country in the world when it comes to certain issues.

Rohan M.'s picture
@Diotrephes Wow. Just... wow.

@Diotrephes Wow. Just... wow. You’ve literally just used every Muslim reversal/evasionary tactic in the book, when you’re trying to argue against those very claims... my irony meter just exploded!

Diotrephes's picture
Rohan M.

Rohan M.

Did you find it educational?

Based upon observation and experience on internet forums it is best to phrase your arguments in such a way that you don't leave yourself wide open to counter attacks by ignorning the weakness on your side. In the case of ancient Middle Eastern Jewish and Arabian ethnocentric religious fairy tales it is best to admit right off the bat that your side has a lot of assholes and bad examples but then try to change the focus on how it is getting better.

Everytime someone says what Mohammed did it leaves them wide open to counter attack about what Moses did. They were both bastards who should have been hung because they were plainly evil. Just admit that. But then try to explain why belief in one of the creeps has improved the world. You might be able to make a small point about it has but by concentrating on how bad the other guy was without conceding that your own guy was scum won't give you a win.

People harp about how Mohammed banged a 9 year-old desert Arab girl in the 7th Century. The Jews say that it is OK to screw 3 year-olds. Americans were screwing 7 year-oldd in 1895. The slavers were screwing kids younger than that.

Mohammed said that it is OK to kill infidels. The biblical First Commandment mandates it. The Jews say that it is not a crime when a Jew kills a Gentile. People complain about muslims not ratting out other bad muslims. The Jews say that snitches should be killed.

So it pays to know the weakness on your own side because they are probably equal, if not greater, than the other side's.

Cognostic's picture
And even in America, if the

And even in America, if the Christians ever got into power, you would be like me, barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen cooking dinner for your man. (Wait a minute...... that's not like me at all. I can't cook!)

Rohan M.'s picture
Adding on what Rivka said

Adding on what Rivka said above, if I were to be transported to a Muslim-dominated country and then dared to challenge the cruel Shariah law that governs them, I’d be flogged and/or beheaded for “insulting Islam”, regardless of whether my grievances were legitimate or not; you may not like it, but that’s what your supposedly peaceful Quran says to do if someone criticizes or leaves your religion.

Don’t believe me? Then I dare you to read the entire Quran from cover to cover. Bonus: Once you’ve done that, then do some research on other religions, e.g. Christianity (my former religion). Read some excerpts from their scripture and look up some of their conversion processes, and note the parallels and similarities in between your Islam and the other faiths in the world- you’ll be surprised. Then let me know what you think.

Goatspeed, big guy... The sun’s getting real low...

Rivka's picture
Oh, Mr. Hulk, Wonder Woman

Oh, Mr. Hulk, Wonder Woman can kick your ass any day, lol!

Bad Santa's picture
Hahaha!!

Hahaha!!

GO, GO Rivka!!!

(*.. taking a big gulp of Tin-Man's eggnog... belching loudly..*)

Rivka's picture
Hulk’s gone guys, if that’s

Hulk’s gone guys, if that’s the best theists can do, I feel sorry for them. My dad has better arguments for HaShem than this little green boy.

Cognostic's picture
In my mind, the perfect

In my mind, the perfect thread is one where these folks all stay here and argue with each other. Where is Breezy?

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