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@Sheldon
You’re not talking about the Deity I believe in. You’re just naively assuming Creationism.
And I can’t know Hell? You say... I’ve seen it with my own eyes. Why should I have any epistemic doubt regarding what my senses tell me. Perceptive awareness equals knowledge.
rat spit,
"Comparing evils on this scale is a bit of paradox. What do atheists care anyway."
I think you have it wrong. Atheists probably care more than theists because they realize that is is the only existence and when it's over there is nothing else. Consider all of the stories in the holy books where the prophet or the God character commands the believers to murder and commit genocides. The believers are eager to do those evil things because they think that they are doing God's will. The First Commandment tells believers to invade other people's lands, do some ethnic cleansing, and to destroy their religious artifacts. That is pure evil and theists gleefully do it.
"What? In English, Sheldon. What are you trying to portray?"
Obviously the hilarity of your sentence that I quoted:
"Yeah. You’re right. Hitler wasn’t such a bad guy. He just gets a bad wrap (sic)."
As I said, gave him the shits did it? Come on even you have had ample time to Google your error by now. Here's a clue then as you're struggling, it had nothing to do with Hitler or evil. So the rest of your verbiage is hopelessly wide of the mark.
WTF are we losing our shit on something that doesn't exist? The reason my dog doesn't kill me isn't because he has some sort of revelation that he abides by. I know people must be sceptical and curious, but I'm just over this god thing... Or I might just be having a bad day and would like to steam off.
Discussions of god, hearing voices, Hitler.....
That's some fucking super strength egg nog you got there tin man!
Out of curiosity, why do depictions of Jesus always make him look like a Swedish tennis player from the 70s?
@Random Re: "That's some fucking super strength egg nog you got there tin man!"
Hey, I keep telling everybody to take it easy on the stuff. But will they listen?.... Nnnn-oooooooooo...... *rolling eyes*... *throwing hands up in defeat*.... Just wait until next week, though, when the delayed hangover kicks in. THEN they will be thinking, "Aw, damn! I shouldn't have had that extra glass."
Edit to add:
Oh, as for Jesus, I think he strongly resembles Waingro from the movie "Heat".
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Rat Spit makes me laugh. What would we do without him? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So your god didn't commit the Holocaust? I thought you said he was evil? And I've never been to any of those camps, I'm not sure if I could even handle it. No one in my family suffered under the Nazi regime, but I know people next door you have. Well, at least grandchildren of them. We've all shed tears, Rat Spit. I don't even want to bring it up anymore as it hurts.
But in my world, those men already paid. They had to live the rest of their short, knowing what they did. If they couldn't get guilt in then, why more so in hell?
So what world do I live in, Rat Spit? One with eternal punishment or just plain dead? Well, who could know for sure, at least I'm in one without dancing fairies, though I dance all the time, lol! (Growing up, my rabbi would say G-d didn't punish the wicked, he'd throw 'em in the wash machine and purify them for heaven - at least that sounds like a nicer G-d ;)
Yes, I create my own impulses. Can you prove a spiritual being places them in my head? ....I'm still waiting.
And if your god can't be stupid, then he isn't all powerful. And how do you know he's indefatigable, did you speak with him personally?
Also, Rat Spit, being a cheerleader made me do a LOT of exercising. They say exercising now, not reading, grows your brain. No wonder I'm smarter!
***
Question for you, Rat Spit. If your god sanctioned the power to rape a child, would you? I mean, he's god, right? You don't want to displease him, right? Be honest.
Rivka: “Rat Spit makes me laugh. What would we do without him? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯”
I’m mainly here for the jokes, but I’ll defend my beliefs if I have to.
Rivka: “So your god didn't commit the Holocaust? I thought you said he was evil? And I've never been to any of those camps, I'm not sure if I could even handle it. No one in my family suffered under the Nazi regime, but I know people next door you have. Well, at least grandchildren of them. We've all shed tears, Rat Spit. I don't even want to bring it up anymore as it hurts.”
It’s a horrible thing; there’s no doubt about that. What could turn otherwise normal individuals into mass murderers... the SS had to consist of a special breed of man - and I’m not talking Aryan - I mean evil.
No. My God did not commit those atrocities. My God is concerned with necessary evils. The actions of Hitler and the Nazis have nothing to do with my God.
Rivka: “But in my world, those men already paid. They had to live the rest of their short, knowing what they did. If they couldn't get guilt in then, why more so in hell?”
You assume they had a conscience.
Rivka: “So what world do I live in, Rat Spit? One with eternal punishment or just plain dead? Well, who could know for sure, at least I'm in one without dancing fairies, though I dance all the time, lol! (Growing up, my rabbi would say G-d didn't punish the wicked, he'd throw 'em in the wash machine and purify them for heaven - at least that sounds like a nicer G-d ;)
Yes, I create my own impulses. Can you prove a spiritual being places them in my head? ....I'm still waiting.”
A) You’re fooling your self if you think you can create your own impulses. But if you think you can - please; explain further.
B) To prove that a spiritual being places impulses in your “brain” - you have to be aware of that being. Mentally look over your shoulder. If you hear a hisssss - that’s our old friend Satan up to his old tricks.
Rivka: “And if your god can't be stupid, then he isn't all powerful. And how do you know he's indefatigable, did you speak with him personally?
Also, Rat Spit, being a cheerleader made me do a LOT of exercising. They say exercising now, not reading, grows your brain. No wonder I'm smarter!”
I do speak with him personally. We don’t have drawn out conversations. The back and forth is short and to the point.
This argument that you need to make your self stupid in order to be all powerful - uh, wow. I’ve never heard of that kind of logic before. But if you insist, then perhaps my God is lacking in that particular department.
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Rivka: “Question for you, Rat Spit. If your god sanctioned the power to rape a child, would you? I mean, he's god, right? You don't want to displease him, right? Be honest.
That’s a big “if”, Rivka. With “if’s” like that you can pretty much paint any kind of picture about my God that you want. My God would never do that. The God of Abraham of course asked him to sacrifice Isaac - and it was all a test. But - like I’ve said - I don’t live under the God of Abraham and I won’t entertain such an “if”. Just to satisfy the question - I’d rather die than rape a child at the request of some higher being.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w--QHQ1Fq9k
And I'll have some of that with butter on it please!
Give me some time to answer Rat Spit..........
Certainly. Believe me. There are much more important things to do (like drink Bourbon on your days off).
@Rat Spit Re: "There are much more important things to do (like drink Bourbon on your days off)."
Amen, brother!... *raising shot glass in a toast*.....
@ rat spit & Tin-Man
Same here, except NO bourbon. Scotch or single malts. The expensive stuff. And a damn nice Cuban or Honduran Dark Maduro (cigar).
rmfr
Whisky is whisky as far as I can tell. But you can’t argue with expensive tastes ;)
@ rat spit
Duuuude. You've got no taste. There is a huge difference between Scotch and Bourbon. How do you drink it? Mixed? If mixed, then you naughty boy. You drink them straight. Or at worst, with rocks. Never, ever, mix a Scotch or Single Malt with anything else. NEVER. That is a sacrilege.
rmfr
@Arakish and Rat Spit
Of course, there's always rum. Much more versatile, too.... *hiccup*.... *raising glass in salute*.... The biggest problem, however, is running out of it... *frownie face*...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYb0K5f4seM
Always straight. I can’t say I’ve tried Glenlivet, but I have tried Chivaz Regal - I’ve tried a whole big ol’ Bottle of that stuff - and .... then there’s Bourbon ... and then there’s Jack Daniels. Shit! It’s all whisky! Na Zdorovie!!!
Rat Spit, it doesn't matter - your god allowed the Shoah to happen! He did nothing! In hindsight, he gave the "ok." Could god allow 6 million people to die? REALLY! If so, he isn't god. And yes, we're all human, so those men did have a conscience, the thing is, they allowed their's to be blocked by silly, stupid beliefs.
Rat stink mentioned Satan, but I thought he was a Christian character? You're inconsistent with your beliefs, Mr. "I don't believe in the G-d of Avraham Avinu." I'm not a neurologist to explain to you how we create our thoughts, how about asking one for me?
Your god lacks in stupidity because you make him do. It was a trick question of mine, one in which you'd lose either way. Glad you fell for it, lol! Again, the rape question was another trick one, because if you'd really believe this god of yours allowed that, he couldn't be god. And if you'd commit to raping a child - after all, why get god on your back? - then you would have proven yourself a real schmuck.
I have no further use with you. We can end this conversation now, and it wouldn't have been a loss. I've got more important things to do.
@Rivka,
I fully accept your resignation. Thank you for the debate.
Hey, Rivka, care to join us for a drink?
Rivka,
"your god allowed the Shoah to happen! He did nothing! In hindsight, he gave the "ok." Could god allow 6 million people to die? REALLY!"
That is too funny! Do you have any idea how many millions of people were killed around the world in WWII? The estimates range from 50 to 85 million or more. Yet, according to the Jews and the Zionists, the only people who died in WWII were 6 million Jews. Maybe that is because they don't consider other people to be humans but animals whose lives are worthless compared to theirs. Anytime the issue comes up it is always about the magic 6 million, a figure pulled out of someone's ass.
Propaganda like that comes directly from Israel. They have to keep the special victim card in play at all times.
Remember all of those genocides the Israelites commited against other people in the Old Testament?
As it says in 1 Thessalonians 2:16 (NOG) = "16 because they try to keep us from telling people who are not Jewish how they can be saved. The result is that those Jews always commit as many sins as possible. So at last they are receiving God’s anger."
Damn Diotrephes. You took the cake this time. Talk about being an intolerant bigot. You may think you are being funny, but you ain't.
Now we all know you for your true colors: an intolerant and bigoted shit.
rmfr
You seriously have some mental fucking issues, dude. This shit is nonesense and not even worth a response. You’re seriously going to sit here and tell me that my neighbors, some of them with suriviors still in their family, though many gone, are liars? That my eyes tricked me into seeing the tattoos? You’re clearly an anti-Semite and I’d have no quarrel seeing you banned, however, I’d rather embarrass you by pointing out how wrong you are instead, so next time you’ll have a paper bag over your head when you visit this site.
Okay, let’s be honest here, I don’t care what the Torah says, to be frank. But I’ll tell you this, you’re a fucking child if you think HaShem ever condoned mass genocide. Reading those passages, as I’ve done in the past, makes it very clear that Yehoshua gave the people three options (keeping in mind that the story said the evil ones sacrificed their own children): 1) convert to Judaism and stay (don’t think many men were happy about circumcisim) 2) leave the land peacefully, or 3) fight for evil and meet the consequences.
Now, as a secular Jew, I’m not defending any religion, or the actions of any characters in a mythical story, however, I will defend what the book said. It’d be like saying there’s no Hermione in Harry Potter, dah.
So if your going to play games, like the Shoah never happened, go piss somewhere else, we don’t want you here. People like you should really be questioned by the authorities after what’s happened in Pittsburgh; we’re not taking any more chances.
Oh, and one last thing, whoever said we should only cry about my people and not the rest of humanity who suffered under Nazi and Communist rule? I mean, what world are you living in? The only reason we speak out about the Holocaust is because 6 million people, WHO HAD NO MEANS OF ARMING THEMSELVES, WERE SYSTEMATICALLY KILLED!
They were innocent people, that goes without saying. I can’t believe I had to write so much in defense of truth, it’s sad.
Again, if you have a problem with me and what I stand for, leave. Nobody wants this site rained with hate speech.
You don’t even know what Zionism means, dimwit! G-d’s anger, what a joke! Don’t quote to me something you’ve made up about Jews doing as much sins as possible, you’re obviously a Jesus nut, see, this is the problem with religion. Ya, send me to hell with your horny Devil, I’d have good company with all those bright souls who fought so hard to bring down your caveman faith!
I bet you loath us. I bet you really hate us! So did your “lovable” Jesus damn 6 million and billions more who never heard of Christ to hell? Seems like your god’s a failure if you ask me, Satan won.
Ya, this shit’s a waste of my time....
WARNING FROM MOD - Step carefully here folks! I will shut this string down, unpublished it, and ban people if it gets any closer to the antisemitism it’s creeping up on.
@Dio and Rivka
Hey, c'mon, you two. Join us for a drink.
@Cyber
*holding up bottle of rum and a bottle of scotch*.... Name your poison, m'lady.
Tin-Man,
I am eighty years old today, and life has lost its excitement. Food and wine are no longer tasty, and entertainment is not much fun; I would only be a burden to you.
Ah, he now admits it. He is an intolerant and bigoted curmudgeon. Dude, you are sick in the head. Perhaps you should retire from here as well as having retired from the human species.
rmfr
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@Dio
Happy Birthday! Hope I can make it that far along.... *raising glass in salute*...
You go cyber!!! I'm naming my first born child after you!!! We already named the dog Tin Man. Okay, I was drunk at the time on eggnog and it seemed like a good idea. Now the damn dog won't answer to anything else.
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