Life has no meaning.

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dogalmighty's picture
SO NOW YOU FEEL SORRY FOR ME?

SO NOW YOU FEEL SORRY FOR ME? NOW YOU FEEL LIKE YOU WANT TO HELP ME? WHY?! I'M JUST A BUNCH OF SPERMS. WHY CARE FOR SOMETHING THAT HAS NO SOUL?! FUCKING MORONS.

Yes we feel sorry for you. Yes we want to help you. Because we are innately moralistic like you.

Mikeykitty123's picture
SINCE WHEN MORALS EXIST IN A

SINCE WHEN MORALS EXIST IN A LIVING BEING THAT HAS NO SOULS AND NO MEANING TO LIVE?! THAT'S FUCKING BULLSHIT. YOU GUYS THINK LIFE WAS JUST A ACCIDENT, AND EVERYTHING IS JUST A BUNCH OF EVENTS AND THAT'S IT, AND YET YOU CARE FOR SOMEONE?! HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT WORK?! THAT'S LIKE SAYING IF A GUY WHO KILLS ANIMALS ALL OF A SUDDEN BECOMES A ANIMAL LOVER. THAT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE WHATSOEVER,

CyberLN's picture
It might be hard for you to

It might be hard for you to wrap your mind around right now, but many of us do care...many care a great deal about our fellow human beings. You are one of us, Michael, a fellow human. I for one, give a shit, and I’m sure many others care about their fellow humans as well.

Mikeykitty123's picture
But why? Why do you care for

But why? Why do you care for others? I just don't understand. The more I think about it, the more I could feel my head exploding. I am just a bunch of sperms....yet you care about me? I just can't comprehend this at all.

CyberLN's picture
Yep, it can be a hard thing

Yep, it can be a hard thing to wrap your head around. It’s in my nature to care for others. We are a species that relies on each other...for help, companionship, company, all sorts of things.

Mikeykitty123's picture
I do not care for survival. I

I do not care for survival. I do not care about reproducing. What I care about if those things are WORTH IT. And so far, it does not feel like it at all.

CyberLN's picture
Well, that’s the thing,

Well, that’s the thing, Michael, so far it might not, but you don’t know if that will change in the future.

Mikeykitty123's picture
Life shouldn't just be about

Life shouldn't just be about "live just for the sake of living" or "be more social so we can sexual reproduce". It sounds so pathetic.

CyberLN's picture
I isn’t just that, Michael,

I isn’t just that, Michael, it’s so much more.

Mikeykitty123's picture
Like what?

Like what?

CyberLN's picture
Well, Michael, you are

Well, Michael, you are actually a decent writer. Being able to communicate feelings as clearly as you do is a skill and a talent. It’s something not everyone has. Its quite special.

Mikeykitty123's picture
All my friends tend to say

All my friends tend to say that I have a good imagination, but it doesn't help feel any better to deal with the "real world". It makes it worse.

CyberLN's picture
Well, you can use it tho, to

Well, you can use it tho, to create stories. Those stories can teach, entertain, communicate, connect others...so many things

Mikeykitty123's picture
But yet the idea of these

But yet the idea of these stories are just there to "entertain and communicate" sucks the fun out of it. I never tell lies unless I absolutely need to. I just wish that "reality" isn't a thing anymore.

LogicFTW's picture
Make your own reality then.

Make your own reality then. If you are smart about it, you can live in that reality a lot. You do not need the crutch of religion to be happy. I know it is scary to give up the crutch but you will be happier and better for it if you let your self.

Sushisnake's picture
@Michael

@Michael
" But why? Why do you care for others? I just don't understand."
Because we're all in this together, Michael. You, me, the other forum members, the people in the street and the supermarket line. The potted geranium beside me and the worm crawling across the patio tiles. This life is all we've got. Seriously mate, if you can't see any goodness or beauty in any of it, you need to get some professional help. If the geranium needs a drink, I water it. If the worm is in a sunny spot, I shift it into the shade. If the person behind me in the supermarket line has three things and I have a full trolley, I invite them to go in front of me. You'd do the same. Know how I know? Because if your cat is hungry, you feed it, don't you? Because you care about the cat and it cares about you. You're in this life together.

We go along to get along, and it makes life much more pleasant for everyone and everything concerned. Sometimes we do it in the expectation of reward, mostly we don't. All we get is a warm and fuzzy oxy rush. We evolved to do it. Other species do it, too. The chicken and egg question is what came first- the social reciprocity or the species. Sometimes it backfires- the same trait that makes me wave people ahead of me in the supermarket makes others support wars.

Edit: missed the bit where you said you like cats but don't have one. Suggestion: get a cat, Michael.

Sheldon's picture
Morals only exist in living

Morals only exist in living beings, and there is no objective evidence for souls. Shout all you want, your trolling histrionics don't change these facts...

dogalmighty's picture
Morality is innate in all

Morality is innate in all humans, you, me, even animals.

Mikeykitty123's picture
But souls and magic are not?

But souls and magic are not? Gee, that makes sense. Maybe you'll tell me that I must live happily even though there is LITERALLY NO REASON WHY I EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Mutorc S'yriah's picture
There are reasons why you

There are reasons why you exist. But if atheism is true, there is no cosmic pre-ordained reason. I'm an atheist, and I live with that. All atheists have to live with that. You'd not be just a sperm, you'd be a sperm and an ovum combined, grown into a living being.

You have a brain. You can give your life meaning in small ways and large. But don't insist on being unhappy, because if you do, you'll succeed. I don't doubt that you have a lot to give to people, (and maybe animals). You can give kindness, you can give happiness, (some good writing might do it). If you gained the right skills, you could help people as a veterinarian, or doctor, or a nurse, or a lawyer, or a teacher, or a police officer or a fire fighter, or a scientist or an actor, or a writer. Which, depends on what appeals, and on opportunity.

You can gain the satisfaction of making a difference in this life. If you choose to say that no ... no ... no ... I want my meaning and satisfaction to come from on high, or in an after life, then you are stuck. If you actually believe in a god and a good after life, then go ahead and believe. But then why bother with he consequences of atheism at all ? If you don't believe, then maybe some of the atheists here can be kind to you, and help.

I'd like you to make your actual beliefs clear.

Cheers,
Mutorc.

Sheldon's picture
"But souls and magic are not?

"But souls and magic are not? Gee, that makes sense."

Yes it absolutely does as there is evidence for life, and evidence that morals are innate in living things, but no evidence for anything Supernatural.

"Maybe you'll tell me that I must live happily"

That's up to you. Whining won't help though. Anymore than moaning that reality doesn't measure up to your superstitious expectations.

"even though there is LITERALLY NO REASON WHY I EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE."

Get over it. It's sheer arrogance to maintain such a nonsensical superstition.

dogalmighty's picture
empathy.

empathy.

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Mikeykitty123's picture
Something that we shouldn't

Something that we shouldn't have because we do not have souls.

Sushisnake's picture
@Michael

@Michael
"Something that we shouldn't have because we do not have souls."
Yet we do behave empathically, just as many other animals do.

Do you believe animals have souls, Michael? They certainly have empathy:

https://youtu.be/eHc9jUernvY

Sheldon's picture
We haved empathy and this is

We haved empathy and this is amply evidenced. Can you demonstrate anything approaching objective evidence for the superstitious belief in souls?

Sheldon's picture
"Something that we shouldn't

"Something that we shouldn't have because we do not have souls."

Nonsense, empathy is an evolved trait innate to all social animals. Do baboons have souls? They certainly show empathy to other baboons, as do rats btw...

dogalmighty's picture
"Something that we shouldn't

"Something that we shouldn't have because we do not have souls."

That is religion talking. Souls are a religious construct. Morality is not. Morality occurs in theists and atheists alike. and cute monkeys.

Mikeykitty123's picture
I am more of a cat person

I am more of a cat person myself.

CyberLN's picture
So am I! Do you have a cat?

So am I! Do you have a cat?

Mikeykitty123's picture
No, but I do love cats.

No, but I do love cats. Especially big ones like lions. I always wanted to be like them.

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