The Methodology for Belief in Something Requires a Null Hypothesis

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Tue, 01/15/2019 - 22:07

AJ777

If a child asks her parent for a candy bar for dinner, and the parent does not give the child the candy. That would be an answer.

Wed, 01/16/2019 - 00:50

(Reply to #32) #33

arakish

But that is not a prayer.

rmfr

Wed, 01/16/2019 - 01:33

(Reply to #33) #34

Cognostic

Hey! An atheist asks a

Hey! An atheist asks a theist to start making sense and he just can't do it. That would be an answer also.

Tue, 01/15/2019 - 23:40

#35

Fallen

@AJ777

So all prayers are answered?

Wed, 01/16/2019 - 01:21

#36

Fallen

@AJ777

You seem to reject the study because god does not answer all prayers, then you agree that no is also an answer.

For arguments sake, if god is real his 'yes' answers are statistically indistinguishable from no prayer in the framework of this study. And for those that were worse off when prayed for it seems that he not only said 'no' but they were disadvantaged.

Apologies for maybe going off topic.

edit: for apology

Wed, 01/16/2019 - 04:53

(Reply to #36) #37

AJ777

I suppose you’d have to

I suppose you’d have to define worse off. An argument could be made that in the Christian view of Heaven being a place where one is present with God after death. Perhaps the ones that did not die were worse off. If God and Heaven do exist and souls have never ending life death is merely a location change.

Wed, 01/16/2019 - 08:49

(Reply to #37) #38

arakish

AJ777: "Heaven being a place

AJ777: "Heaven being a place where one is present with God after death."

And what exactly are you going to be doing for eternity?

Me. I'd rather have the finality of death. I do not think it is a reward to be on one's knees and bowing to tyrannical totalitarian despotic demon crying "Holy, holy, holy is our lord" for the rest of eternity.

rmfr

Wed, 01/16/2019 - 09:37

(Reply to #38) #39

AJ777

God loves you so much that he

God loves you so much that he won’t force you into Heaven against your will. If you desire God you can know and enjoy Him and His good things forever, if you don’t desire God you can choose to be separated from Him. Your preference does not change reality.

Wed, 01/16/2019 - 09:42

(Reply to #39) #40

arakish

And have you ever thought

And have you ever thought about how yours is mentally distorted by your beliefs? So, you wish to spend eternity on your knees, bowing, and crying, "Holy, holy, holy is our lord" to a demented, despotic tyrant?

Have fun.

rmfr

Wed, 01/16/2019 - 13:23

(Reply to #40) #41

Sky Pilot

AJ777,

"If you desire God you can know and enjoy Him and His good things forever, if you don’t desire God you can choose to be separated from Him."

I come from a very very long line of Ammonite bastards and Jealous won't let me join his congregation. Deuteronomy 23:2-3

Wed, 01/16/2019 - 05:24

#42

Cognostic

Some people are already brain

Some people are already brain dead so what difference will location matter?

Wed, 01/16/2019 - 07:48

#43

Kataclismic

If a pharmaceutical company

If a pharmaceutical company produced a pill that worked as often as prayer does, nobody would ever buy it.

Wed, 01/16/2019 - 11:11

(Reply to #43) #44

LogicFTW

@Kataclismic

@Kataclismic
Unless they lie about it, and more then once a drug company has been busted for doing just that, lying about the results of the effectiveness of their drugs...

A big advertising campaign, toss in some placebo effect and voila a drug company makes millions or billions on a lie.

Wed, 01/16/2019 - 17:47

(Reply to #44) #45

Kataclismic

Precisely why it is up to us

Precisely why it is up to us to understand the implications in the scientific method. It's up to us to know that when they say "9 out of 10 doctors recommend..." that we haven't been given a sample size or been told why 10% don't recommend it. All too often we accept this as actual information when it isn't.

When we abandon the scientific method in favor of how we feel, we are easily conned.

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