No Atheist Shall Pass

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No Atheist Shall Pass

According to this study:
http://www.dirkcorstens.com/hearing-voices-and-dissociation

It is believed that 8 to 10 % of people will hear voices at some point in their life. And yet if an Atheist is told such voices point to the existence of something supernatural, he or she will generally discount or dismiss the claim. However, this creates a double standard in which the Atheist is claiming his own existence via the Cartesian proof, “I think therefore I am.” And such claims are both derived from the same truth - ie. the inner voice.

To eradicate such dubious double standards, the 8 to 10 % of the world who hear supernatural beings will henceforth deny all Atheists’ claim to Selfhood. Henceforth, there will be no such thing as an Atheist.

In chess this is called “a fork”. Why? Well, in order for the Atheist to reclaim his fortune of Selfhood, he or she must recognize the validity of the voice hearing people’s experiences. And thus, ultimately the Atheist has no leg to stand on as a) he is denied Selfhood or b) he recognizes the existence of the supernatural.

Your Friend,

rat spit

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rat spit's picture
rat spit’s fork:

rat spit’s fork:

If an Atheist denies the claims of a voice hearer, that Atheist ceases to exist.

If an Atheist affirms the claims of a voice hearer, that Atheist also ceases to exist.

Therefore; 8 to 10 percent of the time, all Atheists cease to exist.

Sheldon's picture
"If an Atheist denies the

"If an Atheist denies the claims of a voice hearer, that Atheist ceases to exist."

I don't deny it, I reject it as unevidenced nonsense.

Oh look, I still exist, QED...

Just admit you're trolling, this is farcical...

rat spit's picture
I’m not trolling. It’s a

I’m not trolling. It’s a basic point. I accept (on good faith) that you have an inner voice which you identify with. You simply don’t have the heart or will to do the same with me. So I invent this fork. And I’m not saying you don’t exist. It’s a joke. I just won’t acknowledge your existence for the same reason you won’t acknowledge my knowledge of the OverLord.

No trolling here. I honestly hear a Supreme Being. You Atheists hear whatever in your heads. I give you the benefit of the doubt. And you can’t or won’t extend that to me. Thus the need for a fork.

Bob L.'s picture
I use to frequent Christian

I use to frequent Christian forums and recall being curious about people who constantly claimed to speak with Jesus or God, and it sounded, often, as if they held conversations with them. I started a thread about this and learned that most meant it metaphorically; however, there were a small number who truly believed they were granted private audiences and these individuals actually did think they heard the Lord's voice. I assure you, most people do not have this experience, but if you say that you do I have no grounds not to believe you. I just don't accept that what you hear is what you think it is.

Cognostic's picture
Hearing voices does not equal

Hearing voices does not equal "supernatural" anything. I have heard voices many times in my life, one while delusional and suffering from food poisoning. Once when my mumps nearly dropped. Once when I moved to a foreign country and heard people speaking English when they were not speaking English. (No supernatural.) Please prove your "supernatural voice" exists.

If a ratspit spits as many rats as a rat spit can spit how many rats will the rat spit spit? A ratspit will spit as many rats as a ratspit can spit when a ratspit spits rats.

rat spit's picture
Please prove that it

Please prove that it originates solely and exclusively in the brain. Just a point. I will address your concern. I am not a “question dodger”.

The voice is infinitely more intelligent and powerful than me. It does not occupy my body; it merely occupies my thoughts. It has access to personalities present, past, and future. It is able to mimic these personalities. For lack of a better phrase - it is not me. Therefore, it occupies a space outside of me and communicates with me telepathically or psychically. In other words; it is supernatural.

Cognostic's picture
Brains exist. Electrodes

Brains exist. Electrodes can be attached to brains to make rats scream. Dead rats don't scream even when electrodes are attached to their brains. No one has ever attached an electrode to anything supernatural and made it scream. Until you do that, voice originates in the brain.

HOW TO MAKE YOUR RAT SCREAM USING RAT BRAIN SURGERY!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ErECVu4jjQ

rat spit's picture
The Evil One is happy with

The Evil One is happy with your new campaign. But I for one must protest. You are sick in the head. Ironic? I don’t care. I couldn’t get past the first 45 seconds. The things science does to my people!!!!

David Killens's picture
@rat spit

@rat spit

"Please prove that it originates solely and exclusively in the brain."

If your brain is destroyed, trust me, you won't hear any voices.

Prove your claims for just one identity in your dissociative identity disorder brain.

rat spit's picture
@David

@David

I’m sorry. I don’t understand what you want me to prove. Could you reword it?

Bob L.'s picture
Here is a test you might

Here is a test you might conduct for yourself. Locate an ancient Hebrew text (or some other text He can read but you can't) and ask your Lord to translate it for you while you write down the words, Joseph Smith style. If the voice is all in your head it will make excuses as to why this can't be done, but if He actually translates the text for you, then my friend, you have the real McCoy.

Meepwned's picture
Do you have a way to

Do you have a way to objectively evidence the voice as anything but your own? If it can remember personalities from the past, surely it could give us info that could be verified.

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Sure. Who would you like to

Sure. Who would you like to hear from. I’ve spoken to Isaac Newton, Einstein, Keirkagaard, uh. Let’s see. Jesus, Buddha, Mahavira - the list goes on really. Maud’dib - His sister. Kirk Cobain in heaven. Too many to name.

It’s quitting time in my part of the world. But we’ll pick this up soon. And I’ll try to supply a factual piece of evidence only the personality would know. Then again - how could that be shown? Or how to prove I didn’t just do my research? Anyway.

Cheers

Sapporo's picture
Kirk Cobain? Captain of the

Kirk Cobain? Captain of the USS Nirvana?

rat spit's picture
The one and only!

The one and only!

David Killens's picture
@rat spit

@rat spit

" I’ve spoken to Isaac Newton, Einstein, Keirkagaard"

What motivated Einstein towards his theory of relativity? This should be very easy for you.

rat spit's picture
He didn’t want to be a patent

He didn’t want to be a patent clerk for the rest of his life. I kid.

The thing is - we mostly shot the shit. And to be honest, Einstein was an arrogant prick most of the time. Definitely had a superiority complex with that guy.

I don’t know what motivated him to develop his relativity theory. We didn’t talk about it.

David Killens's picture
Then do not brag that you

Then do not brag that you have Einstein inside of your head.

SecularSonOfABiscuitEater's picture
I've spoken to the flying

I've spoken to the flying spaghetti monster. I now get free flights to Rome.

rat spit's picture
There you go. Deny and

There you go. Deny and dismiss. You have now lost ownership of your Selfhood. Congratulations!!!

SecularSonOfABiscuitEater's picture
I'm just bragging about my

I'm just bragging about my travel privileges.

arakish's picture
@ rat spit

@ rat spit

rat spit: "The voice is infinitely more intelligent and powerful than me. It does not occupy my body; it merely occupies my thoughts. It has access to personalities present, past, and future. It is able to mimic these personalities. For lack of a better phrase - it is not me. Therefore, it occupies a space outside of me and communicates with me telepathically or psychically. In other words; it is supernatural."

I had an RPG character that was eerily similar. He had an orb about 12.5 cm (≅4.92 in) in diameter. It had an eerie orange and violet colors that seemed to "swim" about in it. This item was known as the Orb of Ancestors. It stored the mind essence of the character's ancestors within it. By concentrating, he was able to contact his ancestors stored within the orb. Only he could hear them. The Orb was keyed to only his ancestral lineage, meaning only he was able to use it. His family had ruled an empire. Each ancestor, when dying, was recorded inside the molecular structure of the Orb. His father was the only one who was not recorded due to the fact that his father gave the Orb to a trusted advisor who then escaped the Night of Assassins with his then too young son. The advisor was tracked by the assassins, but the advisor had passed on the Orb and the Items of Kingship to another person before the assassins caught that advisor. Before they could extract any information, the advisor was able to kill himself with a Death's Head meditation trance. Thus, my character was able to escape on board a ship to a whole other land to a whole other kingdom. Once he was old enough, his ancestors began speaking to him. However, he knew not where the voices were coming from since he did not know the Orb he had held his ancestors within. Since my character had not fully attuned to the Orb, the ancestors could never reveal who they were, who he was, but they could provide advisory help. Unfortunately, the Gamemaster died from pulmonary cystic fibrosis before we could ever complete the campaign of my character fully discovering that he was the rightful king.

Because of this, the role playing group nicknamed my character Hesheitthey. Some ancestors were queens. Most were kings. Going back some 29 generations.

Unlike you however, this was not supernatural. The Orb was actually a piece of very high order technology that recorded the mind essence of a person when they were dying as the Orb was near them.

I suspect you do not possess an item of such high order technology. What you possess, I am afraid, is a form of Schizophrenic Disorder, perhaps even Schizophrenic Delusion Disorder. My advice is to seek professional help. In real life, even I was hearing the voices of me wife and twin daughters. I knew they were dead. I saw the pictures of their bodies when they came into the emergency room. My hearing their voices was only one of the symptoms deriving from PTSD. Even to this day, I can still hear their voices, especially when I daydream of them.

Seek professional help. Please.

rmfr

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I'm new here and wasn't

I'm new here and wasn't expecting an existential comment from the get go, but then on further thinking I came to the same conclusion. if rat spit is seriously hearing voices and he doesn't acknowledge them as his own imagination he should seek some professional help. I wish him well.

rat spit's picture
I’ve got it covered bud.

I’ve got it covered. Thanks for your concern. Until science can convince me that I’m not interacting with a Diety who has access to the Akashic Records, I will continue on with my 9 to 5 (or more exactly 3:00 to 11:00) - with my wife, my cat, my comfortable living space, and all of our near by amenities.

Don’t get me wrong. I may have what you describe. However, it does not stop me from leading a very normal life.

Even if I do say, “oh yeah. I’ve talked to Kurt Cobain in heaven. He had a big hole in his head. He was very protective of his daughter.” For real, yo. You’d never guess just by looking at me or having a conversation. I’m not the type to be advertising my “talents” to the general public. I keep them at bay and for all intents and purposes, I am a normal, functioning person.

My remorses go out to you and your beloved ones. Thank you for sharing.

arakish's picture
rat spit: "Until science can

rat spit: "Until science can convince me that I’m not interacting with a Diety"

I can convince with this...

"I speak with... ... ...Maud’dib - His sister."

You do realize they are completely fictional characters? If you are speaking with Muad'Dib and Alia through the Overmind, then you are Schizophrenic and need professional help.

rmfr

rat spit's picture
Lol. Not if Frank Herbert was

Lol. Not if Frank Herbert was receiving transmissions from Dune as well. Right? I believe the Dune revolutions happened and the powers that were decided to share that legacy with Herbert. The characters in the novel were very real to me. Possibly a mere fiction of The Evil One’s delights And mannerisms!

arakish's picture
@ rat spit

@ rat spit

Only problem is Dune won't happen for another 8173 years...

rmfr

rat spit's picture
Shit. Good point. Well, it

Shit. Good point. Well, it was the Evil One. He enjoys being a scamp. But damn. Those Atreides girls are fine.

Sheldon's picture
"Until science can convince

"Until science can convince me that I’m not interacting with a Diety "

So it's true until someone proves it wrong?

By definition that is argumentum ad ignorantiam, and ffs it's deity not diety (sic), how many times?

Algebe's picture
@Sheldon: it's deity not

@Sheldon: it's deity not diety

"Diety" is what "deity" sounds like in Australia.

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