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Increasingly Secular Nation Replaces Outdated Religious Ideas With End Times Prophecies, Moral Judgments
January 22nd, 2019

U.S.—The increasingly secular nation has replaced its outdated religious ideas with more advanced, enlightened ideas, like telling you what behavior is immoral and predicting when the world is going to end.

Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has just predicted that the world will end in 12 years if you do not give the government more power over your life. Leftists across the country agreed this is a big improvement on outlandish religious claims that the world will end and you will be judged for your sin one day soon.

In addition, Lady Gaga pronounced Mike Pence's Christianity as lacking morality, a claim immediately praised by the same people who agree that morality is relative and that you can't judge people based on who they are or what they do.

"Having been freed from the shackles of religion, we will now make wild predictions about when the world will end and inform you who is moral and who is not," atheist small group leader Beorn Mingles said at a Portland coffee shop Tuesday. "Finally, we have cast off the opiate of the masses and instead will just tell you what to believe and how to behave."

"I'm glad it's the 21st century," he added, chuckling, as his small group members arrived, marked-up copies of The God Delusion in tow. "Living under the thumb of religion's doomsday declarations and moral judgments is so last millennium."

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xenoview's picture
Morality is subjective, it

Morality is subjective, it comes from your mind and the society's laws.
There are no objective morals, that exist outside of the mind.
Religion's time and purpose in society are coming to an end.
Religion has failed to prove there is a god.

AJ777's picture
Is that an objective truth

Is that an objective truth statement?

Cognostic's picture
Another asinine response by

Another asinine response by out friend AJ777. Read the frigging post again. xenoview just told you it was "SUBJECTIVE." If you do not like the response, argue the opposite. Tell us how your wonderful asshole god establishes an objective morality. Cite one objective moral value that your God does not violate. Asserting your god does follow objective morality just proves the morality is not objective. Divine command theory - do it because god says it not because he does it - would be the same morality that allowed the Nazis to kill the Jews or the good theists to sing and laugh as they cut open the stomachs of pregnant women and dashed their unborn babies against the rocks.

YOUR QUESTION IS BULLSHIT. It points to nothing. It is the question of an ignorant little boy trying to be a pedantic smart ass.

arakish's picture
AJ777: "Is that an objective

AJ777: "Is that an objective truth statement?"

Neutron star, dude.

rmfr

xenoview's picture
Subjective morals come from

Subjective morals come from the mind. I don't claim to be making an objective statement.

Do you treat people how you want to be treated? Do you follow the laws of the country you live in?

Can you prove that morals are objective?

CyberLN's picture
AJ777, please provide YOUR

AJ777, please provide YOUR definition of ‘objective’.

AJ777's picture
If something is true it is

If something is true it is true for all people in all places at all times.

Rickdiculous's picture
Is that an objective truth

Is that an objective truth statement?

CyberLN's picture
AJ777, Is this your

AJ777, Is this your definition of ‘objective’?

Stone Jade's picture
Does that mean that the

Does that mean that the objective morals of Old Testament biblical times also apply now?

AJ777's picture
The old covenant Old

The old covenant Old Testament Jewish laws were applicable to those people at that time. The laws affirmed in the New Testament are applicable to Christians today. The moral law is unchanging.

Stone Jade's picture
I see. So different moral

I see. So different moral laws for different people at different times. That doesn't seem to fit your definition of objective morality at all.

AJ777's picture
Reread my post. That’s not

Reread my post. That’s not what I wrote.

Stone Jade's picture
I read it. You said that Old

I read it. You said that Old Testament Jewish laws were applied to the people at that time. And then later, the New Testament affirmed different laws that apply to people today. Can you help me understand how that fits in with objective morality that is "true for all people in all places at all times"?

AJ777's picture
The state of California has

The state of California has different laws than South Korea. However in both jurisdictions for each set of citizens murder is a crime. A prohibition against murder is an unchanging moral law. We do not need to be told it is wrong, all sane humans know it to be wrong.

Nyarlathotep's picture
AJ777 - A prohibition against

AJ777 - A prohibition against murder is an unchanging moral law.

You can scream that until you'll blue in the face, but in reality it does not seem to be the case.

Talyyn's picture
Hooooo!!! Only bronze-age

Hooooo!!! Only bronze-age nomadic tribes of the middle east had come to understand that murder is a crime?

Stone Jade's picture
Old Testament: Kill

@AJ777 (edited to add tag)

Old Testament: Kill adulterers
New Testament Jesus: jk, don't do that

I'd be interested to hear your definition of murder. In the Bible, God ordered the slaughter of entire peoples, including women and children. You're right that as a sane human, that sounds absolutely monstrous to me. Is that not murder in your eyes?

Talyyn's picture
You misunderstood me! Of

@Stone Jade

You misunderstood me! Of course it is murder. My post was for AJ77.

Edit

Stone Jade's picture
Misunderstandings all around!

Misunderstandings all around! Haha! Mine was for AJ77 as well. Going to at that little @ now.

Talyyn's picture
No problems, actually this

No problems, actually this was funny.

Stone Jade's picture
Postscript: That's genocide.

@AJ777 (edited to add tag)

Postscript: That's genocide.

Cognostic's picture
That's Exactly what you are

That's Exactly what you are writing. Divine command dictates whatever God does is moral. He tells people to murder as in the OT, it is moral, regardless of the 10 commandments. He tells people to make magic potions, it is moral. Objective to you means whatever god says. Whatever bullshit murderous infanticidal, suicidal, genocidal.

Cognostic's picture
So we can throw out the Ten

So we can throw out the Ten Commandments. I'm still waiting for a single example of this unchanging moral law. Perhaps SLAVERY? It is okay to have a slave and beat your slave and pass your slave on to your children. God's moral law. Exodus 21. You can own people as property.

Diotrephes's picture
Cognostic,

Cognostic,

"So we can throw out the Ten Commandments."

The Ten Commandments don't prohibit murder. They demand murder for anyone who violates the first nine.

CyberLN's picture
AJ777, you wrote, “The old

AJ777, you wrote, “The old covenant Old Testament Jewish laws were applicable to those people at that time. The laws affirmed in the New Testament are applicable to Christians today. The moral law is unchanging.”

So in Luke 14:26, Jesus said: “If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.”

I get it now! It’s okay to hate your parents because the commandment to honor them was in the OLD testament!

AJ777's picture
If you would read the entire

If you would read the entire book of Luke and place that text in context it would help you understand its meaning. If your intent is to try to use the Bible to prove your pre-conceived ideas are correct then you will never understand it.

CyberLN's picture
Sigh...

Sigh...

arakish's picture
Oh I understand that horrible

Oh I understand that horrible, obsolete, irrelevant, repulsive, ancient, obnoxious, barbaric, execrable, inappropriate, offensive, savage, horrendous, abominable, loathsome, repugnant, disgusting, inapplicable, and unsubstantiated pile of lies and bullshit plagiarized from myths and legend FAR! older than the Bible and the first appearance of the Hebrews. Some THOUSANDS of years older.

Do some research. All you have done is show even your lack of knowledge of your own religious book. How can you be so ignorant (ig•nor•unt) and ignorant (ig•nur•unt)?

Arakish: “Searching for knowledge and learning is what it means to be human and not a religious robot being force fed only the data they wish you to know. There is no shame in being self-taught, to search for learning and knowledge. The only shame is not searching in the first place.

Quit being so ignorant (ig•nor•unt) and ignorant (ig•nur•unt) and start learning how to use critical thinking, logical and deductive reasoning, and rational and analytical thought.

rmfr

xenoview's picture
Prove that your statement is

Prove that your statement is true.

You might be confusing the laws humans make with objective morals.

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