Science Unspoken Axiom #1: Deities are nonsense

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arakish's picture
@ source code that does not

@ source code that does not work

“You are not understanding the argument.

“When I say a "flickering light" I am not talking about a pulsar or any other naturally caused star.

“Here. Let's say you went outside on a clear evening and looked up at Alpha Centauri A through a telescope.
You noticed it that it's light intensity was changing from normal to very dim at a relatively high frequency.
You recorded this with a video camera at 2000 fps then had someone write a relatively simple image analyzing software to analyze the frames and found that they dark and light *flickers* exactly repeated over a very specific time interval. You had them write software the recoded a 1 bit for every bright timeslice and a 0 for every dark timeslice.

“They wrote this to a binary file. They put a .mpg on the end. They double clicked and it opened as an mpeg movie showing Alpha Centauri A up close and personal right were it was supposed to be relative to the other stars around it. It showed a nice little planet orbiting and zoomed in to show nice little aliens just like on ET the movie. They waved at us.

“Given this hypothetical scenario. Everyone would call that solid EVIDENCE of intelligent life. Everyone would conclude that the *flicker* could not have occurred through natural cases but must have **necessarily** been caused by intelligence.

“That is the point.

Do you agree?

Absolutely not. Where is this MPG file you keep speaking of? You keep saying it is EVIDENCE. Where is this evidence?

rmfr

EDIT: forgot to emphasize what i was answering

sourcecodewizard's picture
It is a hypothetical case of

It is a hypothetical case of what SETI is looking for

If they found it, you and your buddies would be ET fantasies, you know it....well they know it, you would find out after because...well...never mind

arakish's picture
@ source code fantasy

@ source code fantasy

It is a hypothetical case of what SETI is looking for

If they found it, you and your buddies would be ET fantasies, you know it....well they know it, you would find out after because...well...never mind

Got it. You are just a liar. You have been lying all along. Everything you posted in that Original OP was a lie. It was just a made up fantasy so you can TROLL.

rmfr

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Cognostic's picture
@Randomhero1982 "Oh fuck me

@Randomhero1982 "Oh fuck me sideways..."
*Standing up cheering, knocking the bag of Cheetos onto the porn magazine resting on the coffee table." Yea!! I'm not the one getting frustrated with numb nut posts.

sourcecodewizard's picture
Your frustrated because you

Your frustrated because you still get your porn from a magazine. They have one or two porn sites on the internet these days. Sound. Video. The whole works.

Skeptical Kevin's picture
@sourcecodewizard,

@sourcecodewizard,

@Cognostic said it was on the coffee table. CLEARLY, that was the guest porn mag.

sourcecodewizard's picture
I was worried that he had

I was worried that he had fallen behind the times.
Now I see he was just being a polite host.
thanks for clarifying

Cognostic's picture
sourcecodewizard

sourcecodewizard
Yea, but my mommy took my computer away from me for calling you a dumb fuck. Better that than being banned by the mods. She said I should apologize. People can't always help the stupid stuff they believe.... "I'm sorry."

Randomhero1982's picture
Careful Cog, don't want an

*Standing up cheering, knocking the bag of Cheetos onto the porn magazine

Careful Cog, don't want an orange cock tomorrow! You already have trump.

Cognostic's picture
Randomhero1982: Too late.

Randomhero1982: Too late. I'm kinda liking this thing. Neon orange. Glows in the dark. Amazing sense of power and virility. I've been thinking of swinging from the trees in the local park. In fact, I feel more like a Baboon than a Chimp. UNLEASH THE WILD!!!

arakish's picture
@ sourcecodewizard's OP

@ sourcecodewizard's OP

What kind of weed did you smoke?

I ain't going to bother reading the rest. Your OP is not worthy of reply. At least not from me.

Oh, you might want to post that OP on sci-fi authors site.

rmfr

sourcecodewizard's picture
sounds like your brain is

sounds like your brain is nice and clean from years of brainwashing.
ignorance is bliss, keep it real

arakish's picture
sourcecodewizard: "sounds

sourcecodewizard: "sounds like your brain is nice and clean from years of brainwashing. ignorance is bliss, keep it real"

Then you ain't seen my brain yet. It is about as wicked and dirty as can be from years of listening to Religious Absolutists like you. As for the ignorance part, only you seem to be practicing both just like a Religious Absolutist.

From what I have seen of your postings, I would guess you are a 13, 14 year old just playing troll. Just enough intelligence to browse the web and get your data from apologist and pseudoscience WWW sites.

rmfr

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sourcecodewizard's picture
hey look there is no

hey look there is no reasoning nor any argument in your post

not surprising since, by your own admission, you have no need to read any further cause you know it all.

Sounds like unspoken axiom #1 speaking to us loud and clear. Thanks for proving my point. yet again.

and what does anyones age have to do with logic and reasoning? Nothing. Unless of course logic and reasoning are irrelevant. By your replies I'm guessing they are not your strong suit but hey, not everyone can use reasoning.

arakish's picture
@ sourcecodemigraine

@ sourcecodemigraine

hey look there is no reasoning nor any argument in your post.

That is due to the fact that reasoning, logic, rationality, cogitation, comprehension, and my favorite, mental penetration, is beyond your abilty.

not surprising since, by your own admission, you have no need to read any further cause you know it all.

Compared to you, I know at least infinitely more than you do.

Sounds like unspoken axiom #1 speaking to us loud and clear. Thanks for proving my point. yet again.

Da nada. I love proving my point. Get it?

and what does anyones age have to do with logic and reasoning? Nothing. Unless of course logic and reasoning are irrelevant. By your replies I'm guessing they are not your strong suit but hey, not everyone can use reasoning.

Well, you are showing the intellectual integrity of a child in Junior High School who is skipping classes to go trolling on the WWW. And remember, you are the one who said logic and reasoning are irrelevant, for you evidently. It is a little demandingly problematic to use reasoning for one who seems to have none.

Ta-Ta. ***big syrupy tree smooch***

rmfr

sourcecodewizard's picture
I know you are what am I?

I know you are what am I?
you not smart too. back even more at you

(To everyone else.... see I can play at any level and, as you can see, I pack some hard ammo. Plus the last line rhymed, don't try that at home. )

arakish's picture
@ sourcecodemigraine

@ sourcecodemigraine

Wow! Such intellectual might. Don't know if I can compete.

Here the beautifully tragic
Last quest for magic
Frightened into their flight
Drifting towards the night
Keeping silence of mouth
Must first travel south

And that is the only one I am doing. If you want to get into a rhyming contest, you know where your buddy ProgrammingGodJordan is.

rmfr

sourcecodewizard's picture
Turd crap potty poo

Turd crap potty poo
I'll pun with this dung more than all of you do

sourcecodewizard's picture
seriously, all joking aside

seriously, all joking aside
is that a cannabis plant on your logo?
If so, THAT is something we can *definitely* agree on.

arakish's picture
@ sourcecodemigraine

@ sourcecodemigraine

Not cannabis. Try again.

rmfr

sourcecodewizard's picture
go ahead, I give up

go ahead, I give up

arakish's picture
sourcecodemigraine: "go ahead

sourcecodemigraine: "go ahead, I give up"

After only one guess, you give up. Intelligence, indeed.

rmfr

Tin-Man's picture
@Sourcecodewhackadoodle Re:

@Sourcecodewhackadoodle Re: "...as you can see, I pack some hard ammo."

Bwaaaaaaa-haaaaa-haaaaaaa...!!! Hard ammo????.... Bwaaaaaa-haaaaa-haaaaa....!!! Riiiiight.... Uh, hate to break it to you, dude.... but, uhhh... I don't know what you THINK you have, but whatever "hard ammo" you believe you are packing actually makes spitballs look like depleted uranium. Especially around this place... *turning back on you and walking away while chuckling to self*.... Ahhhh... some people's children, I swear.... *shaking head in amusement*...

sourcecodewizard's picture
nu uh you canman

nu uh you canman
haha got you got you

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ SCW

@ SCW

I can play at any level

No, no, you cannot, play with yourself, certainly. I should imagine you win most debates with a mirror. At any intellectual level above that displayed in your posts, which are certainly barely High School Graduation level; Nope. I doubt that claim as much as your claim for a jesus.

I must admit you are outstanding in one way, I have never seen anyone before who can display such a comprehensive lack of knowledge, logic and humor, as you do, yet still remain almost maniacally proud of their achievements. Well done.

(Edit for clarity)

sourcecodewizard's picture
you must practice at home all

you must practice at home all day because that was the most amazing post I have ever read bar none....by far....really.

Skeptical Kevin's picture
"I believe the existence of

"I believe the existence of evil by an omnipotent, totally benevolent creator can be explained by the following Christian principles:"

"1)God knows how to make it all better. When it is over everyone will agree it is worth it."

It's worth it? How is suffering from evil acts in this life worth it? Imagine two people:

Your average middle class, never-hurt-anyone, father of two lovely kids
A rape victim

Both of them accepted Jesus as their savior, attended church regularly, kept all of God's laws until they died. Now my interpretation of Christian theology is they get the same reward: eternal life and the ticket into heaven to hang out with God.

If that's correct, then how did the rape victim's experience become "worth it"? How are any of the acts of evil people "worth it"? What if this evil act turned the victim away from religion? Is the loss of that person's faith "worth it"?

sourcecodewizard's picture
Yes it's a screwed up world.

Yes it's a screwed up world. Duh.

But you hit the nail on the head when you said "Acts of evil people". God is not doing the screwed up stuff. Evil people are.

Imagine that you, yourself built a really cool video game totally realistic with pain receptor and memory wipe. Suppose you wrote the whole thing in 2020 and built all the hardware yourself. In the game you allowed people an open physics world to build and live as they chose. So then if a bunch of idiots decided to do some really screwed up stuff and sued you do you think that would be fair? Is it your fault or theirs?

Skeptical Kevin's picture
I don't care whose fault it

I don't care whose fault it is. I don't care who did it. I didn't say God was responsible.

This is from your OP:

"I believe the existence of evil by an omnipotent, totally benevolent creator can be explained by the following Christian principles:
1)God knows how to make it all better. When it is over everyone will agree it is worth it."

Now, it is your claim that God knows how to fix all the evil in the world. It is your claim that our enduring all this evil will be worth it.

Now I'm going to try again.

One person suffers immensely from the evil acts of whomever.
One person has a wonderful life full of on-demand fellatio and Firefly Seasons 2-9

Both people receive the same exact reward from God.

How was the suffering "worth it"? What good came out of the evil acts? You claimed in your OP that we will all agree it was worth it. How was it worth it?

sourcecodewizard's picture
That it will all be worth it

That it will all be worth it when it is over is the teaching and the justification of evil, yes.

Same reward? no. Since many who are first will be last we know that there is some societal order in the world to come just like there is today. The basis of who is rewarded and how much are based upon the choices we make in this world using a system that is beyond any of our comprehension. Everyone will, however, understand that fairness of their reward or punishment since everything will be laid out for everyone to see....when it is over. Right now it is still testing time so much is hidden.

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