Science Unspoken Axiom #1: Deities are nonsense

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sourcecodewizard's picture
I notice you are talking

I notice you are talking ABOUT logic without actually USING any.
The OP has a clear argument that you ignore and instead give knee jerk responses that are neither applicable nor accurate.
Then you talk about legitimacy. I see ironic hypocrisy, but I am biased. Address the point of the OP perhaps?

Talyyn's picture
For your OP,

For your OP,

You are throwing a lot of assertions and presuppositions.

You wish that the Christian god exist so you say it is designed cause you can not imagine and claim the opposite.

Your paragraph on the static noise show that:
- you do not understand physics, chemistry, statistics and probability.
- your knowledge of the fields pertaining to these issues seems a century old.

Your last paragraph on the Christian doctrine... So what? You are one Atheist Republic...

sourcecodewizard's picture
The go ahead and tell us all

The go ahead and tell us all the exact process of how the first cell was formed?
Was it membrane first or early DNA?
What was the energy source?
Where did it occur on the Earth?
Do you have an physical evidence?
Do you have any evidence?
Do you know why the physical constants fit perfectly in such a narrow range to make any of it possible?
Do you know why the big bang occurred?

Tell me all about your knowledge because I already know about your FAITH based upon science fantasy.

Talyyn's picture
I am not a scientist in these

I am not a scientist in these fields, merely an engineer for materials in the nuclear industry.

There are dozens of scientific articles pertaining about abiogenesis, if you bothered to read them.

We know the basic elements for life can occur naturally. It seems one of poster, in the seventh page of the thread, gave you a little bit of literature.

Basically, all you are saying is that since we do not know all the answers, therefore God?

And do not put words in my mouth, why do you insist to put faith and atheism and science together?

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sourcecodewizard's picture
not because we do not know

not because we do not know all the answers, because Computers do not self assemble and we have them in our heads

Just because you people plug your ears, close your eyes, hum and repeat "No evidence" does not change the fact that the human brain IS evidence.

Talyyn's picture
Brains work differently than

Brains work differently than our computers. The principe of processing information is not the same for the two objects.

Furthermore, brains are much less energivore that even the first computers

I will ask you a question? Are you saying that when your are developing inside your mother's belly, God is using his divine hands?

I think your likening of the two entities is flawed and even if brains are designed, what make you think the designer is the Christian god? This is called "begging the question".

Randomhero1982's picture
I notice you are talking

I notice you are talking ABOUT logic without actually USING any.

The absolute bloody irony, you wouldn't understand logic if Aristotle slapped you in the face with his cock.

The OP has a clear argument that you ignore and instead give knee jerk responses that are neither applicable nor accurate.

It does not, simply ridiculous assertions.
Try to form a deductive arguement, comprising premises and conclusions with your 'arguements' and we shall all make some progress.

Then you talk about legitimacy. I see ironic hypocrisy, but I am biased. Address the point of the OP perhaps?

We all have addressed various factual faults with your 'arguments' and you just have no answers.

Again, start another thread with your premises and conclusions rather than random assertions.

At the moment you are simply spouting unsubstantiated bollocks.

Cognostic's picture
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha---- "I

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha---- "I cannot imagine having your"
Coming from a guy who has to call himself "source code wizard" 16 years old, kicked out of the local Dungeons and Dragons game for bitching too much. Feeling so bad about himself and subconsciously seeking to be punished, he frequents Atheist sites spewing out inane bullshit just so he can feel alive. It's great that you can accept who you are. It's sad that you seek the witty retort. Some people are just born with it and the rest end up looking like.............. um........ well............. YOU!

sourcecodewizard's picture
Good argument. Now I see why

Good argument. Now I see why so many people turn to atheism. Can't argue with logic like that.

Cognostic's picture
There is an positive

There is an positive correlation between the facts and evidence atheists use to support their opinions and the inane assertions theists make to avoid the evidence and facts,

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Calilasseia's picture
And, no doubt I'm not the

And, no doubt I'm not the only one waiting to see if this individual can derive, from first principles, what it takes to convert the "design" assertion into something other than the product of a presuppositionalist's rectal passage. I've yet to meet a supernaturalist of any sort who can answer this challenge, or who can offer something better than "it looks designed to me, therefore my magic man must have done it".

Talyyn's picture
And they don't realize they

And they don't realize they are living a life of mediocrity.

Sheldon's picture
" I've yet to meet a

" I've yet to meet a supernaturalist of any sort who can answer this challenge, or who can offer something better than "it looks designed to me, therefore my magic man must have done it".

Since they believe everything is designed one has to wonder what they are comparing these "obviously designed" things to? I mean obviously designed compared to what, when there is nothing in their fantasy that is not designed, what exactly indicates design to them?

sourcecodewizard's picture
dude you sure are hung up on

dude you sure are hung up on rectal passages. Maybe you should have someone look at that.

Yes, magic magnets that self appear and jump into shapes of people make much more sense.

Better tell SETI to shut down shop, its all just magic magnets. no ET out there...move along

Calilasseia's picture
If anyone here is displaying

If anyone here is displaying a clinically significant obsession, then your continual banging on about SETI and flickering lights long ago moved into Haloperidol territory.

Oh, by the way, I'm still waiting for you to tell us how to detect "design" in a proper, rigorous manner, as opposed to pretending that your ignorance of testable natural processes constitutes a proper substitute for this.

sourcecodewizard's picture
Like the proper, rigorous

Like the proper, rigorous manner that you try to say "Chemistry exist therefore computers build themselves".

Go write a paper and have your buddies rubber stamp it as you tell each other how great you all are. It still does not change the ****FACT**** that none of you or anyone else has the remotest idea of how life actually formed.

And you *BELEIVE* in self assembling computers and think you are logical. What a religion you people have. Just don't call it science.

sourcecodewizard's picture
so you are saying we should

so you are saying we should shut down SETI, right?
After all there is no possible way to infer intelligent causation from any signals from space according to you, right?

Keep dodging and killing strawmen.

Calilasseia's picture
The drivel you're offering

The drivel you're offering here doesn't even have the structural integrity required to be considered straw.

Your caricatures of actual science aren't so much strawmen, as men made from explosive diarrhoea.

arakish's picture
Boy I just wasted way too

Boy I just wasted way too much time reading through this entire thread.

It is hard to take seriously someone who preaches so damned hard on logic, and has yet to show any.

rmfr

sourcecodewizard's picture
as the echo of the words

as the echo of the words reverberate into the atmosphere, only a single thought remained on all of those in attendance...irony

CHK-C's picture
@sourcecodewizard

@sourcecodewizard

"Once it was verified that the signal had origins outside of our solar system, 99% of humans would regard this as solid evidence of alien intelligence outside our solar system.

I'm not sure where the 99% of humans you mentioned come from. Your church, may be?

If SETI notices something worthy of investigating, scientists will investigate. They are not going to jump to conclusion that ET must have done it.

It's not like some people who are 100% sure that Jesus walked on water just because they read that in some ancient book.

Randomhero1982's picture
I literally cannot like this

I literally cannot like this post enough.

And this shows a huge gulf in critical thinking between someone using a scientific methodology and another coming from a theological perspective.

The OP claims if we got what appeared to be a signal from a distant *planet* (he said flickering star, bit I cannot take that seriously), 99% of people would believe it is 'little green men'.

For me, I'd think, wow this is cool! Let's send a probe (if possible and if technology is available), let's keep trying to make communication, let us focus more resources on the signal, gather data etc...

sourcecodewizard's picture
nobody would say that it

nobody would say that it naturally occurred by itself
nobody would say "Gee there are a lot of stars out there and the universe is really old and lots of stars flicker so eventually one will flicker repeatedly into the binary encoding of an mpeg movie"
Yet they DO make the same argument about working computers self forming from magic magnets. Why? Because they are brainwashed hypocrites. That's why.

sourcecodewizard's picture
What a joke. Sure they would

What a joke. Sure they would investigate it..Duh.

But after they determine that it originated from outside our solar system and formed an MPEG movie like I described, THEN what?
Then they will all be celebrating ET including you and everyone in here....THAT's what.

At least be honest with yourself.

CHK-C's picture
@sourcecodewizard

@sourcecodewizard

"Then they will all be celebrating ET including you and everyone in here....THAT's what."

Don't you think you're way too full of yourself to think you know what I think, despite the fact that I have already told you what I think?

It seems to me that you have a predetermined mindset, and you can't change it no matter what further information you're given.

Well I guess that's why you're still a Christian.

Skeptical Kevin's picture
@CHK-C,

@CHK-C,

"Don't you think you're way too full of yourself to think you know what I think, despite the fact that I have already told you what I think?"

Why not? Theists already claim to know what God thinks. On the Arrogance-o-meter, this is a step down.

Calilasseia's picture
They also have a habit of

They also have a habit of posturing as being in a position to tell us what we think, without bothering with the inconvenience of actually asking us this. Said posturing frequently taking the form of asserting that our thought is defined and dictated by their misrepresentations thereof, along with assorted canards and caricatures about science.

arakish's picture
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@ sourcecodemigraine

You have neglected to do the following for preposterous claims, nonsensical assertions, and silly presupposed assumptions:

OBJECTIVE HARD EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE
Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit non ei qui negat.

OBJECTIVE HARD EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE
Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit non ei qui negat.

OBJECTIVE HARD EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE
Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit non ei qui negat.

OBJECTIVE HARD EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE
Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit non ei qui negat.

OBJECTIVE HARD EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE
Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit non ei qui negat.

rmfr

Randomhero1982's picture
I have a feeling his

I have a feeling his assertion is based on that if we find alien life (even from a fucking star), then that would mean intelligent life.

But I think he has misconstrued a life form that has intelligence, with the intelligent design bollocks.

The fact is that any life found in the universe will more likely then not conform to the laws of nature.

The laws of nature are not fixed to just our planet.

Unless you're irretrievably stupid.

sourcecodewizard's picture
So if someone is

So if someone is irretrievably stupid then the laws of nature are then fixed to just our planet?

If SETI found a signal like the one I described, you would be one of the first ones with orange underwear and you know it.

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