Seriously, the Shariah Law is becoming a threat, in Europe.

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Endri Guri's picture
Seriously, the Shariah Law is becoming a threat, in Europe.

It's all becoming a nightmare between being called a Racist (which is completely stupid since when does Islam become a race) and a Neo-Nazi, Fascist, whatever the fuck kind of label to criminalize, demonize and shut your opinion down. Of all the Muslims I've met in Internet or Real life they are always AVOIDING ANSWERING and it's basically some BS you wouldn't want to even deal with, but their arrogance, ignorance and disgusting immoral behaviour of playing the "victim" is irritating me!
It's irritating me at such a point where I'm all like, "fuck it, I don't give a shit if some of you are Moderated (or Progressive) or some of you fucktards are Fundamentalists (like the majority), let's just get rid of all of you from here, your religion doesn't belong here."

Here's my biggest problem, when ISIS is done for, completely destroyed as a organization, where the fuck do we send them? They came illegally, and they should be sent back where they came from by LAW, but the stupidity of some ultra-liberals is completely unbearable (even for a Liberal like myself), they want to "integrate" them when they're clearly not integrating, they want to "assimilate" them when they're clearly not assimilating, they want to make them part of the European society when they are clearly making the European society part of theirs. They lack Ideals, true, pure Western Ideals and are clearly imposing theirs on the native population!
You can hear it from every Imam, they all say how well the Muslim community behaves, but no, it's all a LIE, they are all ignorant, arrogant and their fundamentalism only makes it worse, they aren't behaving well, they're causing chaos and disruption.
The EU member states' relations are already collapsing because of this Immigration system and these Islamic scum are deliberately making it worse through their "peaceful protests", their "peaceful gatherings" and their disgusting immoral name-calling that demonize the anti-Islamic movements, as stated before, calling them racists, Islamophobic and Nazis.

There are even polls determining the future of Islam in Europe and it's not good at all, by 2050, 10 fucking % of Europeans will be Muslims, and who the fuck knows how big they'll grow with their extreme indoctrination and the laws of their fundamentalist Koran which strikes fear in every Muslim who is afraid of leaving their faith (Apostasy is punishable by Death according to the Koran).

How long do we have to wait for this psedo-liberal ignorance to fade, because I am more than willing to join a ultra-nationalist movement at this moment, I've had it with their disgusting lies and their name-callings, demonizing our entire society as evil, it's done, either they're out, or a fucking civil war breaks out.

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algebe's picture
Victimology has become the

Victimology has become the soft underbelly of Western civilization. Once a certain group has been identified as a victim of real or imaginary discrimination, all debate about the status of that group is shut down, allowing cynical self-appointed "spokespeople" to exert a disproportionate and undemocratic influence. With our brains and mouths paralyzed, we sit and watch dumbly as radical and radicalized Muslims spread their evil, aided and abetted by narrow-minded political correctness.

Ordinary Muslims suffer most. Fear of the radicals traps them in their stupid and tyrannical religion, and at the same time they have become the hated face of Islam for local populations. Maybe Western countries need to establish aspostate protection programs to help those trying to escape this trap.

Islam is not the religion of peace. There is no religion of peace. The only path to peace and sanity is atheism.

LogicFTW's picture
@Endri

@Endri

I think 2015, and 2016 could be more correctly described as the rise of the far right, conservative, then: the rise of liberalism. However so far in 2017 it appears the pendulum is starting to swing the other way some, (the recent French and English elections, plus the rapidly crumbling support for the trump administration.)

I can admit/agree that integration and assimilation of some of these cultures into the west face some troubles, (when have they ever not?) but many do integrate/assimilate well, especially after a few generations. I also feel as much as, or more of the blame on the troubles to assimilate can be put at the feet of the people that make it difficult for a variety of reasons for these cultures to feel welcomed and have equal opportunity.

I also sadly feel that ISIS is not going anywhere. The current methods used to stamp out terrorist networks can be described as abject failure. The west after much expense and time, dealt a fairly crippling blow to Al Qaeda, and a worse group, ISIS rose to fill the power vacuum. And Al Qaeda is certainly not gone, in fact, it is growing in power again. It is also true that an American citizen living in the US, dying of a terrorist attack on US soil is currently quite a bit greater than a million to one in your life time. Such low odds it is not really even worth considering. Yes in part, because of the great amount of effort and vigilance, (and money,) spent on reducing terrorist attacks in the US.

@ Algebe
Absolutely agree that ordinary Muslims suffer the most. In almost everything in life, war, famine, disease, etc its always the most vulnerable, (kids, women, poor, disabled,) that suffer the most.

The majority of followers of Islam do practice peace. It is only the small radicalized extremist side of Islam where it is not a religion of peace. But that is just parroting what you said, "there is no religion of peace" all the major religions have extremist /radicalized parts of it. It just the people in other religions that typically feel most threatened by a new group of people with a different religion coming in.

algebe's picture
@LogicForTWall "the major

@LogicForTWall "the major religions have extremist /radicalized parts of it."

In any political group that's based on religion or race, the radical elements will tend to float to the top like the scum on a pond. They are the purest expression of each group's ethos, and their purity gives them a ruthlessness that intimidates the moderate majority. It happened in the IRA, the KKK, Islamist groups, and white supremacist groups.

Religions are ulimately political groups dedicated to power, domination, and the imposition of particular ideologies. Secularism is the only cure, but insted of being the torch-bearer for the secular ideal, America is increasingly turning toward radicalized Xtianity.

Endri Guri's picture
"It is only the small

"It is only the small radicalized extremist side of Islam where it is not a religion of peace." - You're quite wrong to say that, 15% to 25% are Radicalized Muslims, a number varying from 180 to 300 Millions and that is not just a "small radicalized extremist side".

LogicFTW's picture
I guess I have a different

I guess I have a different definition of radicalized then you do.

If 180 million to 300 million Muslims are radicalized to the point they truly believe its all out war on everyone else, we would see 1000 times the amount of attacks all over the world, then what we see today at least by my definition of radicalized.

I suppose I do imagine you are right, probably a fair amount of people will say 180 to 300 million Muslims are radicalized, but I am not worried about 180 to 300 million, I am only worried about less than a million of them that actively do battle and terrorist attacks etc.

Endri Guri's picture
Yet again, you discard those

Yet again, you discard those 180 and 300 millions Muslims that firmly believe ISLAM is the ONLY TRUE religion. And do you need a reminder of what happens when people think in such a way? You can exempt the majority of those Radicals from actually participating in active warfare, but you're still neglecting the other negatives of a radical Muslim, just because you don't see him carrying a gun and screaming "Allah Akbar" doesn't mean that he's a exempt from danger. There are many ways they can damage the society, physically, as ISIS is doing it, is just one of them.

LogicFTW's picture
Okay I will change that to

Okay I will change that to only 1 million that I am more worried about then, the average more devout christian. With less than a million that I am really worried about, just like the tiny minority of christians I also worry about as super radicalized and militant about it.

I certainly do not judge up to 300 million people based on the actions of less than a million.

watchman's picture
@Endri ....

@Endri ....

"Seriously, the Shariah Law is becoming a threat, in Europe."

Nice rant........

Evidence ??

Endri Guri's picture
Evidence? Do I need to remind

Evidence? Do I need to remind you that the Majority (70% up) of Muslims approve of Shariah Law in Western Countries. Imagine that, and the World's Fastest Growing Religious Group! Their laws completely indoctrinate children, you basically can't leave once you "enter" (presuming Children even did have a say in their choice). It's a fact that Islam only lives to this day due it's Death penalty for those who apostate, and I'm not expecting many people from that religion to apostate when they've been indoctrinated and taught the words of the Koran every single day since a young age.

Nyarlathotep's picture
Endri - I am more than

Endri - I am more than willing to join a ultra-nationalist movement at this moment, I've had it with their disgusting lies and their name-callings, demonizing our entire society as evil, it's done, either they're out, or a fucking civil war breaks out.

You're saying you aren't already a member?
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And for what it is worth; I'm heard that same rhetoric my whole life, but with just a different groups (Mexicans, Central Americans, Asians in general, Vietnamese, Cubans, Filipinos, and Puerto Ricans to name a few). Need to get some new material.

Endri Guri's picture
No I am not, because I haven

No I am not, because I haven't reached my boiling point, their lies will not end, their name-callings of various Anti-Islam criticizers will not end. And it has nothing to do with Race, it all has to do with their Religion, but since they're not gonna accept State Law over their Law on many aspects of life, then they're gonna get rounded up in it also. I have no hate for them, it's their Religion and their fundamental stupidity of praying to it 5 times a day and ignoring anything that criticizes it by either bashing or changing questions! And truly, it's fact many Muslims actually change their question whenever point-on topics show up, because I've seen it myself, I already did engage in a argument with one and it's always the same evading I've seen in every interview or just street talks with Irreligious vs. Muslims

ImFree's picture
Endri: “I already did engage

Endri: “I already did engage in a argument with one and it's always the same evading I've seen in every interview or just street talks with Irreligious vs. Muslims”

Here is an entertaining example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVCr4SFyvRo

xenoview's picture
Endri

Endri
Have any evidence of shariah law being use in Europe?

Endri Guri's picture
I don't think you're getting

I don't think you're getting the point here Xeno, It's not about whether the Shariah Law gets implemented, it's about how many of them approve of that kind of system to replace the native State law, which is bad, because it clearly shows they want more than just simply immigrating, they want to turn the entirety of Europe to one of their "natural habitats".

pijokela's picture
Please google "sharia courts

Please google "sharia courts in uk" and choose from dozens of articles. AFAICT these courts are not legally binding, but people submit to their authority because of community/religious pressure and personal beliefs.

watchman's picture
@Endri.....

@Endri.....

You posted ,"Seriously, the Shariah Law is becoming a threat, in Europe.".....

I think it is you who is missing the point....... no European country has Shariah law in its legal code.....

It doesn't matter what percentage of Muslims say they support Shariah law...... until they manage to get a majority into the legislature it aint going to happen.....

Most ,if not all, European countries have been through protracted ,destructive religious wars at some point in their histories ,our streets have been perfumed with the smell of burning flesh our gutters have run with blood......

Despite your dire warnings...the Moslems in general are no more a threat than you are...... you forget...if they are "over here" we have their homes ,their goods ,their business'...their children.

You say by 2050 10% of Europe will be Moslem..... but you don't say what the 90% of Europe that is non moslem will be doing..

Besides ,by the time a muslim majority government is possible in say ,Germany, the Muslim population will no longer be the wild eyed jihadist you seem to predict...but healthy ,westernised ,prosperous German muslims .... driving BMW's ,playing on their playstations ,shopping at the best shops ,wearing haut couture ...

So ,to paraphrase your OP....

"Seriously ?, the Shariah Law is becoming a threat?, in Europe?."

Endri Guri's picture
Maybe you aren't getting it

Maybe you aren't getting it right! There are hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants reaching out borders and they're already usurping the native population! It's a cultural mess, and you think that Westernizing the Muslims will give them a much "liberal" view? WRONG, they won't, they will retain their views because they have been indoctrinated to believe in a Fundamentalist book since the beginning of their lives, it's a fucking fact! And you would hardly find a liberal Muslim family!

You think moderate Muslims are doing anything to criticize radical Muslims? The Radicals will cut your head, while the moderate Muslim holds it down!

"Most ,if not all, European countries have been through protracted ,destructive religious wars at some point in their histories ,our streets have been perfumed with the smell of burning flesh our gutters have run with blood" - Name them, name them all!

"Despite your dire warnings...the Moslems in general are no more a threat than you are...... you forget...if they are "over here" we have their homes ,their goods ,their business'...their children." - Check the fucking news on Islam for once you fucking dingbat. You think they care about that? The State's too scared to even take a fucking act without being labelled as "racist".

Stop acting like a fucking moron and wake up, because it seems you really don't know anything about Islam, you're just chill with it expanding on Europe because you're in the US, well fuck you then.

algebe's picture
@Watchman: "no European

@Watchman: "no European country has Shariah law in its legal code"

Shariah courts can have a kind of legal status in the UK under certain circumstances. If two parties to a dispute decide to use a Shariah court for mediation and agree to be bound by the results of that mediation, then the court's verdict will have legal force. But that also applies to any kind of mediating body.

I think one area of concern is the role of Shariah courts in family issues, such as divorce or custody. Although the courts have no legal status, they have considerable power in Muslim communities, with the result that Muslim women may feel intimidated and unable to assert their rights under UK law.

watchman's picture
Yes I am aware of this ......

Yes I am aware of this ....... there is too ,I believe , a jewish version .

Nyarlathotep's picture
Replace Arabs and Islam with

Replace Arabs and Islam with Hispanics and Catholicism and you'd fit in well with the white supremacists here in the US.

Endri Guri's picture
I can only suppose that your

I can only suppose that your stupidity allowed to cloud my hate for Islam as a hate for the race that practices it, I've said it millions of times before, it's not the race, it's Islam.

Nyarlathotep's picture
Endri - I can only suppose

Endri - I can only suppose that your stupidity allowed to cloud my hate for Islam as a hate for the race that practices it, I've said it millions of times before, it's not the race, it's Islam.

V.S.

Endri - It's just the Arabic one, because for some reason I just hate their language and traditions, it just doesn't fit in my mind, it just doesn't belong in Europe in any way.

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And I can do without you calling me stupid; thanks.

Endri Guri's picture
You can cherry-pick, as

You can cherry-pick, as clearly you never read my whole post.

watchman's picture
"Stop acting like a fucking

"Stop acting like a fucking moron and wake up, because it seems you really don't know anything about Islam, you're just chill with it expanding on Europe because you're in the US, well fuck you then."

OK...SHIT FOR BRAINS....

.Fucking Moron is it ? I know nothing about Islam....and "Chill" because I'm in the US....

!/ I'm in the UK...you know? where we just had the terror attacks.... TWAT....

.I live in Birmingham...a city bombed by the IRA...I've seen terrorism....real terrorism...

I've worked with Arabs ,Syrians ,Pakistanis ,Egyptians ,Lebanese ,Suni's ,Shia's and Ahmadi 's the most intelligent ,urbane and finest human being I ever met was a Syrian Moslem..... working with UK police and Military as a translator at the risk of his life and the risk of his family still in Syria....

It may come as a shock to you...but if you don't want to be called racist fascist scum...then stop acting like racist fascist scum....

Pissing Retard.... get your head out of your arse and look at the world as it is.... not the comic book version you've fallen for.

Endri Guri's picture
A fascist scum? Since when

A fascist scum? Since when did I become a Authoritarian Nationalist? Where do I advocate for the forcible suppression of the opposition or dictatorial power? You clearly confuse terms.

"Ahmadi 's the most intelligent ,urbane and finest human being I ever met was a Syrian Moslem..... working with UK police and Military as a translator at the risk of his life and the risk of his family still in Syria...." - I don't care about his stance on ISIS, I care about his own Religious stance, he might be someone who is pro-gay, pro-secularization, pro-liberty, pro on every Western Idealism. But in the end, he's part of a very small minority that thinks that way, and he'll just be swallowed up by other Radical terrorists who will just make him look like them in the eyes of the public, at least to those who stereotype others.

I didn't know where you even lived, sorry for not understanding your fucking Morse code. Sorry for it all.

watchman's picture
Name them, name them all!"

"Name them, name them all!"

Its not my job to fill in the gaps left by the Albanian education system.......look for yourself.....start with France Catholics and Hugenots...then Germany the peasants war then Holland 8 years war then the UK under Bloody Mary and Elizabeth 1st.... look up 30 years war.....

But while you are asking for sources.....how about you give some to support your POV......

" There are hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants " really ?

You have evidence...for hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants.... ?

To use your own ploy...... "Name them, name them all!"

Nyarlathotep's picture
Just a helpful link: European

Just a helpful link: European wars of religion

Endri Guri's picture
Here's your hundreds of

Here's your hundreds of thousands - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10865652/Illegal-immi...

Let me remind you that the ideology of these European religious groups did not go to the extremity of replacing a entire culture on the mentality of the people, they did not seek the death of a entire race, they sought a fight for their cause. While on the other hand ISIS, it not only fights for their religion, but wants a complete caliphate against the Western Civilizations, and of course they're already failed, but ISIS is so much different than the Hugenots or the French Catholics.

watchman's picture
@Endri.....

@Endri.....

Not sure what point you are trying to make any more..... Is it Islam..is it ISIS....is it the immigrants.... is it the refugees....

or is it just any one who is different..... you posted a link to an old Telegraph article from May 2014.....(the Telegraph is part of Murdoch's media empire.... but the figures were genuine...from FRONTEX..)

However if we look at more up to date information the numbers changed..... and for some reason the origins appear to be changing too....... not sure how many moslems are coming from Vietnam or Ukraine or Russia
see link..
http://frontex.europa.eu/trends-and-routes/migratory-routes-map/

(Hover your cursor over the appropriate route to see the details....)

There seems to be no hard and fast totals for migrants/refugees .... see Frontex's disclaimer...

"The data presented refer to detections of illegal border-crossing rather than the number of persons, as the same person may cross the external border several times."

"Let me remind you that the ideology of these European religious groups did not go to the extremity of replacing a entire culture on the mentality of the people, they did not seek the death of a entire race, "

"these European religious groups did not go to the extremity of replacing a entire culture "

You think not ? You have not read enough...... look up The Albigensian Crusade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade

and the Northern Crusades

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades

ISIS is not the first attempt at a genocidal theocracy... just the latest.

Endri Guri's picture
Just because another

Just because another religious group committed a atrocity does not Justify the actions of the other, you don't go fucking saying "let's go kill members of a certain group since other did it also", it's not right.

Christianity is bad and Islam is worse, because it advocates for the death of infidels, it's in it's Koran, even the Bible has it, but you don't see Christians nowadays killing Atheists, after so many years Christians changed, but did Muslims change also? No, they didn't, the Koran was never edited, it's their one true book.
And how do I know that? Because my Muslim friend who seemingly doesn't even know I'm an Atheist, firmly believes that it's completely logical that the fucking book came from above (Heaven or Xhenet as we call it in Albanian) and was given to Mohammed, like where the fuck do I even start with this statement?! They are so indoctrinated in this religion anything the preachers say it's fundamentally true, even if they said gravity wasn't real (and he even asked how can I prove gravity in a debate we had before), they'd believe it.
You have no Idea how hard they'd try to silence me when I had a debate with them, either calling me an idiot for not believing or simply just delusional, it's fucked up that hard.

Here's another reason why it's bad, in Albania, soon after the Ottoman Empire defeated the Albanian Princedom after Skanderbeg The Great's death (you can find more about him here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skanderbeg) they imposed heavy taxes on the native Christian population. Back then, the entirety of all Albanians were Christians, and many soon after the tax, either had to escape or convert, because if you didn't pay taxes you paid with your family members (sons for military, or daughters for harems).
That tax was a monstrous tool, it was designed to suppress entire populations and forcibly convert them, and this happened in every Islamic ruled Christian provinces (also Jewish) back then. The other thing here is how cruel it was towards the Jews, they had to wear Yellow badges in star shapes (yes, just likes those WWII, because it wasn't the Nazis who invented them, it was Umayyad Caliph Umar II in early 8th century). This doesn't end here, they even had to wear belts and necklaces that labelled them as Dhimmi. And the purpose of that, was because all those who believed in a "different" God were considered second-class Citizens. All of this, doesn't stop here, there was a rule that any non-Muslim should never walk the same path as a Muslim in City's road, so if you basically go through there and see a Muslim passing by, you had to switch to another road with your head bowed. Let's also talk about HOW the taxes were paid in monthly gatherings, where non-Muslims would kneel to their Taxman and hand over the bag of money, this was a deliberate action to discourage every non-Muslim into submission.
All of this happened, sure, Christians did similar things to these which I may not know of, but that does not justify what these people did.

Islam must fall, before we fall.

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