Should christians be allowed to be medically treated?

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Harry Truman's picture
I think its a very funny idea

I think its a very funny idea in theory- though, the real reason the VA is crowded is because its ran by the government. That's the efficiency of single payer I suppose.

mykcob4's picture
No harry it is because

No harry it is because conservaturds cut funding every chance they get. Check out VoteVets.org. They will show you how republicans have never supported Vets.

Harry Truman's picture
VA funding amounts to 25,000$

VA funding amounts to 25,000$ per year per veteran (of those that use the VA, and most don't), whilst it only costs 3,000$ a year to buy standard health insurance, and 12,000$ a year to buy top shelf insurance. The VA gets plenty of funding, the problem is the economic calculation problem- among many other things wrong with socialism in general.

Most veterans go to private hospitals, and of those that use the VA, they only use it for 25% of their medical needs, the rest they get privately.

Also Trump increased spending on veterans, as has been done every year actually.

mykcob4's picture
Nope, you are wrong Harry.

Nope, you are wrong Harry. Trump decreased spend for Vets.

http://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2017/05/23/trump-s-b...

I don't know where you got those numbers but they are way off.

http://www.npr.org/2015/01/13/376134776/va-data-show-disparities-in-vete...

besides, you are way off topic of the thread. You try to make everything political.

LogicForTW's picture
The government can be

The government can be inefficient yes, especially when it is corrupted and abused.

However, a capitalism based health care system follows the rules of capitalism. If you have an extremely inelastic good/service, (healthcare,) normal supply and demand mechanics fall apart, where supply can dictate the prices, because demand is so powerfully fixed/inelastic. Basic economics 101.

Simple fact is: this "free market" healthcare experiment/idea, has lead to a result where US citizens has the most expensive health care per person cost in the world, but health care outcomes is near last in 1st world countries. Where as countries closer to healthcare for all, single payer systems, have better overall health outcomes for much less cost per person. Why would we not want to emulate that success? Isn't it embarrassing that Cuba has better healthcare outcomes then the US does?

Randomhero1982's picture
Yes, everyone deserves to be

Yes, everyone deserves to be treated and healed.
No one deserves to die or be harmed for their beliefs or actions...

Coincidently, making me more morally superior then most if not all gods :) :)

Agnostic Prophet's picture
Personally, I believe that we

Personally, I believe that we have a duty to our to help our fellow human being in distress. The fact that someone has an imaginary best friend they ask for help should have no bearing as to whether they receive medical treatment.

Freefromgod's picture
Denying healthcare based on a

Denying healthcare based on a persons beliefs sounds like something Iraq, old school Russia, or Libya would do. Not sure I want to emulate those countries.

Seenyab4's picture
I think it would be difficult

I think it would be difficult to get theists on our side if we don't show them the respect and benevolence that they don't expect from us. Remember we are on different sides of the fence now, but our goal is to help them get to the greener side.

Mister Silver's picture
Theists deserve healthcare

Theists deserve healthcare despite an adherent belief to nonsense. However, it would be nice if they could start thanking the actual doctors who practice medicine instead of the god that did nothing.

mykcob4's picture
People on this thread say

People on this thread say that we have a duty to provide healthcare to everyone, even those right wingnuts that are against an affordable healthcare system. My question is WHY?
If people actually believe in their god, that that god heals all, that life is predetermined by said god then using science to heal them is actually a sin. It means that they don't trust their god to heal them OR they are just not accepting the will of their god.
If a christian gets a naturally occurring disease that can be cured by modern medicine why should they get that treatment. If their god has a plan, then he gave them that disease in the first place. They are defying their own god's plan. They should do nothing more than pray.
How many times have we watched evangelicals scream that a tornado hit a place because their god was mad that gays exist? When a house in said tornado survived they claim that their god saved them, but they never say that the thousands of homes destroyed were also the responsibility of their god.
I actually don't want to deny anyone medical treatment. I am just illustrating that christians talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

Agnostic Prophet's picture
Because it is the right thing

Because it is the right thing to do. I have heard of the notion of denying human rights to people based on religion, but I expect it to come from ISIS or the westboro baptist church. One reason why I don't allie myself to any faith is because of the bigotry it inspires. I have never seen this level of bigotry from an atheist.

My question to you is; what christian has harmed you so badly you'd be willing to see them all die?

mykcob4's picture
Did you read my last post A.

Did you read my last post A. Prophet? Hmmm...!?
I said that I don't really advocate denying medical treatment to anyone. I said that the thread was to illustrate the utter hypocrisy of religion.

Agnostic Prophet's picture
My humble apologies, I must

My humble apologies, I must admit that I didn't read through it until the end.

Agnostic Prophet's picture
Because it is the right thing

Also, just because they wouldn't hesitate to do it to us "godless heathens" doesn't mean we should do it to them. Two wrongs don't make a right. We should be the bigger people

 Guiltyascharged's picture
Also if You will notice -

Also if You will notice - As Far as I know - Only the believers in the Hebrew and Greek Manuscripts believe in Praying and trusting in God For Miracles, Healing and Favors. \
Jews and Christians ?
I believe. But that is How I was raised. Trained. Maybe if I was Trained and Raised to not believe in God, Perhaps it would take a miracle to convince me. I Have never misunderstood Atheists or thought ill of them. I understand and am thankful that they are Honest.

Travis Paskiewicz's picture
The answer is yes, Christians

The answer is yes, Christians should be allowed medical treatment.

:/ what the hell kinda question is this? Because some Christians believe in faith healing or whatever, we should bar them use of medical facilities? The vast majority of christians believe in and use modern medicine. No, share whatever people are open to receiving.

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