Like chocolate and peanut butter, sunshine and warmth, puppies and kittens, and shits and grins, it's time to get you two intellectual giants together.
You've both destroyed all atheist opposition in your individual threads, now it's time to bring you two together, like the Hulkster and Andre the Giant, Borg and McEnroe, Johnson & Johnson, and Bill and Hillary, you two are the greatest people in your field of intellectualism, and it's damn time for you to share it with each other and us poor plebeians.
I want to know, can Someone's "Experiencing" defeat Chimesandstorm's "criminal totalitarian system"? How will Chime's youtube videos hold up against One's ability to cut and paste?
Vegas is taking odds, who you got?
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For me, nothing beats a good YouTube video. Because if it's on the internet, it MUST BE real. Therefore, my money is on Mr. Chimes. Even if it simply for his superior entertainment value.
GO, TEAM CHIMES!!!
For me, a good video only supports a well thought out and logical argument. Thus, I have to side with Someone. Besides, cutting and pasting is so much easier than trying to find that perfect video.
GO, TEAM ONE!!!
rmfr
@Arakish
I see what you mean, but the problem with Team Someone is that it has Nobody backing it up.
For now, supporters are lining up. Odds are being reset constantly. Back in the locker room, hands are being taped and fine silken robes are adorning the shoulders.
Who will enter the ring first?
I don't know... I really admire someone's effort to ask the same frigging question a thousand times and completely ignore the answers. That takes real committeemen. I'm betting someone is a cat lady living alone in an abandon Chicago apartment with 75 cats and a welfare check that gets spent on cans of tuna. It's commitment like this that moves the human race forward.
@Cog
True, Someone definitely has persistence and dedication to cause. I agree it does require a great deal of discipline and determination to cut and paste the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over an-..... Well, you get the idea. And all the while, that same Someone has the mental fortitude to steadfastly ignore any and all answers and queries directed toward him. It is indeed admirable. However, it is difficult to deny Mr. Chimes has a splendid knack for snappy and witty comebacks and insults. In other words, he is a fighter. He's a player. He ain't afraid to mix it up and get his hands dirty. Gotta love that! That's why I'm....
Chimes! Chimes!
He's our man!
If he can't do it...
(Well.....)
Maybe Someone else can?
GO, TEAM CHIMES!
Nuh uh, chinaverbiage is a spoiled rich kid, not as bright as the others, hence the chip on his shoulder and the needy self entitlement that sits so well with the idea everything was created with him in mind, and he can pretend he's one of the few smart enough to have realised it, but only if he goes somewhere where they're all atheists.
Teenage boy, I'd bet a months wages.
Well, you know what they say... "Tough times don't last, tough people do." A witty retort, while entertaining, is a bit like a fish flopping on the deck our of water. It's interesting to watch but in the end... A real winner is not someone who never fails, but rather, someone who does not have the good sense to quit.
@Cog
Damn good point, my friend. So, basically, what we have here is a sprinter (Chimes) vs. a marathon runner (Someone). Hmmmm.... Very interesting. Well, in that case, I have to admit that Chimes better get in there and get a good first strike in and finish off Someone quickly. Otherwise, Chimes may not have the endurance to go the long-haul.
@ TM
Nostracosa had a quatrain about that:
And by the fifth day of the seventh week of the rain of words
Did the bells ring but mystery
where the cloaked man did walk in anger amongst those that
stopped their ears in ignorance. Wielded pestilence and wrath did
assail the uncircumcised while the man of iron stood fast against the sea.
See? clear as anything. Your best shot at telling me what that means...it looks really like a prediction to me but....
lt's as though the strange words have no precise meaning, they seem to chime with subtle overtones.
'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves did gyre and gimble in the wabe. All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrave. The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! One, two! One, two! and through and through The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! He left it dead, and with its head.
@Cog
*sniff-sniff*....*sob*.....*loudly blowing nose*..... That is the most beautiful and touching love poem I have ever read....*wiping tears from eyes*....
@Old Man Re: Quatrain
That. Is. AWESOME! I never knew there was a prophesy about me out there!...*clapping hands excitedly*... Okay, so let me try to figure this out...
It should be fairly simple, but it may take a bit of physiologicalism extrapolation of the transverse anomaly duplicating variety to get a truly exact and accurate subjectively objective interpreted translation in the proper context. Otherwise, piece of cake. Ideally, I would love to find a few dozen YouTube video links to share about it, along with a long string of repetitive cut-and-paste narratives to fully explain the obvious and blaring meanings of the prophesy that others fail (or blatantly REFUSE) to see. For now, though, I will make do with simply educating the ignorant masses with small and basic words combined in a specific order meant to open the hidden neurological empathways concealed among the pre-narcissistic clusters within the hemorrhoidal ganglia nodes. This will help ease in the information without the need for messy lubrication. Here we go...
Obviously, the first line is a metaphor for Heinz 57 steak sauce. Yes, I do prefer A1, but the Heinz 57 does make for a tasty second choice should A1 not be available. This brings us to the "rain of words" and the mysterious ringing bells. Since the steak sauce is mentioned, it stands to reason I am hungry. And when I get hungry, I start bitching non-stop until I am fed. Hence, "rain of words." That makes the ringing bell a call to meal time, and there is no doubt in my mind the day of the meal is a Monday. I deduce this from the word "mystery", as that can only mean it is "Mystery-meat Monday." Okay, so far so good...
The next line is a bit trickier. And here is where the transverse anomaly duplication comes in handy. Contrary to popular belief among most scholars, it has nothing to do with an angry cloaked man walking among dumbass deaf people. Rather, it is a hidden code referring to a naked happy woman swimming among singing intellects. Yes, yes, I know what you are thinking: "My god! Tin-Man is a GENIUS to figure that out!" Thank you, but I assure you it is not that difficult....*waving hand dismissively while blushing*... Now for the finale of the last line...
Interestingly, there are no hidden meanings in this part. It is fairly straightforward. Those who still have foreskins did get the shit kicked out of them and then suffered from all sorts of nasty diseases. A common saying among the "in-group" is, "If you don't get snipped, expect to get gypped." Always did like that one. Catchy. *chuckle*.... Anyway, and since I am circumcised, it makes perfect sense that I should be standing strong against the forces of nature. Only natural.....*scratching chin*....(Hmmm.... Of course, the whole rusting thing could be a potential problem, I suppose....*strumming fingers on table while thinking*.....) Oooooh! I got it! The word "iron" is actually suppose to be "stainless steel." The author, however, couldn't use "stainless steel", naturally, because it would have totally messed up the whole iambic pentameter and isosceles conjugation of the poems rhythmic mantra. Silly me. I should have seen that right off the bat.
Okay, so, there you go. See how easy that was?
@TM
well fuck you you clanking old bastard thats the THIRD time I've snorted perfectly good shiraz out my nose at one of your posts!
Well I disagree with your reading of what is a perfectly reasonable piece. Translated from the 14th century french into latin, then french then middle english before appearing as an American piece. Surely nothing could be lost, or inserted? Right?
As we know by the etheric vibrations and the electro-magnetic vibrations of our heart-souls that are mathematically aligned to the pyramids of both Egypt and South America. We can experiencely experience the experience of the false reality of the ignorant. This gives a very clear reading that:
And by the fifth day of the seventh week of the rain of words on the 12th July 2018
Did the bells ring but mystery The alarm clock went off to signal
where the cloaked man did walk in anger amongst those that
stopped their ears in ignorance. An auspicious event was coming (Cloaked man) Wielded pestilence and wrath did
assail the uncircumcised while the man of iron stood fast against the sea. That TM would get totally wrecked on brown spirit on his birthday and refuse to go to bed when told to by his wife therefore wasting this year's erection.(see Iron Man)
It is all there in plain sight, God you guys are so ugnorant, its almost as if you think its all nonsense!
@Old Man
I have said this enough times to others and I cannot believe you have not seen it, read it, and understood it.
Third Commandment of Forum Reading: "Thou shalt not be drinking while reading any forum post since thou canst not know when they may cause great spewage."
rmfr
@Old Man Re: "well fuck you you clanking old bastard thats the THIRD time I've snorted perfectly good shiraz out my nose at one of your posts!"
Awwwww..... That's the nicest thing anybody has said to me all day. Almost brings a little tear of joy to my eyes.... *dabbing corners of eyes with tissue*...And normally I would apologize for the snorted and wasted shiraz. However, by this time I am forced to believe you should know by now to take necessary precautions.
Now, as for the rest of your post, I am not a bit surprised you disagree with my highly intuitive and deceptionally conflagulated and disproportioned interpretation of that splendid piece of prose. Only those who are not well-versed in the subtleties of the introverted inverse duplication context methods would miss the glaringly obvious meanings to the fifth harmonic stanzas contained within sub-woofers written in between the lines. But it is an honest mistake on your part. It takes a "special" sort of brain to fully delve into such intricate studies. So no hard feelings. While I agree that your etheric vibrations combined with the electro-magnetic heart-soul vibrations was once a very effective method of experiencing experiences in an experiencingly false reality manner, I'm afraid that method is sorely outdated. Nobody's fault, of course. It is just that due to tectonic algorithmic shifting over the centuries, the lattalongitudinal axis derivative along the primordial fault line between Egyptian and South American pyramids has unfortunately shifted by a fraction of a frog's hair. This now negates any further mathematical heart-soul computations. And so science continues to grow and mature....
A lesson we can all learn: "The deeper you go into the cosmic mysteries, the less interesting everything gets.”
This is more and less than I'd hoped for. Freaking hilarious.
By now, Old man shouts should know to leave the shiraz in the decanter when reading Tin-Man's posts, so no sympathy there.
Our leading men are being shy though, not sure why. Perhaps they've seen the brilliance of the other and are too chicken-shit to come out and play.
I thought bringing them together, with that amount of brilliance, could move the evolution of mankind forward by leaps and bounds (I mean play out the Intelligent Designer's plan), but perhaps even the ID is afraid of what might happen if these two great minds collaborated.
With the evidence for design http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/evidence-design?page=7... , what I find amazing is that you lot have not pointed out a flaw at all, and all you can do is joke with each other and pretend that you haven't all proved to be embarrassingly impotent in face of the arguments. Do any of you think that you saw a flaw in the arguments. If you did why didn't you take up the challenge and paraphrase the arguments and point out a flaw in them?
But it wasn't just the arguments. There was the Atheist View thread. For those that need a reminder http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/atheist-world-view?pag... . There were quite a few that took an embarrassingly long time to admit that although the definition of atheism they favoured did not imply it, they believed that reality was one without deities. The issue there was, why don't they favour the more popular definition of atheism that indicates that, given that most that don't believe that and don't believe that reality is one with deities (like Huxley) refer to themselves as agnostics. It seems as though they were trying to dishonestly trying to shift the burden of proof as a theist might do if they were to instead identify as an a-physicalist.
And consider Sheldon, and his statement that it was a objective fact that reality contained a material universe. I metaphorically wiped the floor with him ( http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/evidence-design?page=6... ), and he still hasn't provided one piece of objective evidence that it is as it claims, and that he is not a liar when he suggests that he would not state something was an objective fact unless he had objective evidence for it. A case of me being right, Sheldon being wrong + Sheldon being exposed as a liar. Maybe that is usual for Sheldon and the avatar/pic was supposed to be ironic. I don't know, I've only just started posting here.
Anyway, I am not going to continue posting on this thread. But I just thought I would summarise for those theists reading who would like a chuckle at the atheists re-assuring themselves in light of what happened. Or those atheists that did not believe that reality was one without deities. As I mentioned before it is a bit like the Black Knight in the Monty Python film claiming that its had worse, though on reflection in this case the Knight would be far more delusional and be asking what's the problem? What's the problem?
While Sheldon took the mantle and destroyed your "arguments", there are so many more arguments against ID that the whole proposition is laughable. I pointed some of those out to you right away on your thread, but they "didn't fit the subject matter" so you just ignored them. ID is hilariously funny which is why we joke about it. The joke is on you.
...and don't quote Monty Python, they are on our side, and you haven't even inflicted a flesh wound.
No argument is required against the superstition of creationism and it's propaganda re-branding of ID, as it's adherents can present no objective evidence to support it.
Fallacious tautologies such as Someone presented and a string of informal logical fallacies besides, just reinforce the fact that their beliefs are not supported by anything tangible, which is hardly surprising when you consider the source are bronze age superstitions.
*voice of 1930's radio announcer*...And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen! Someone has taken the initiative and come out swinging to deliver the first blow. Sadly, folks, it was a glancing strike with a weak delivery! From ringside here it looked as though Someone just didn't have his feet properly planted, causing him to lose a touch of power and some amount of accuracy! The crowd here in the auditorium holds its breath and waits anxiously to see how Chimes reacts and retaliates to counter the formidable Someone! Boy oh boy, folks, this promises to be the bout of the century! The intellectual development of Mankind is on the line!... And now a word from our sponsor!
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"Someone has taken the initiative and come out swinging to deliver the first blow. "
It looked more like he walked ostentatiously into the centre of the ring, only to drop his pants for everyone to see, if you ask me. The only remotely complementary thing you could say is he seems tenacious, but given he has no credible arguments beyond stringing unevidenced claims together with logical fallacies I think a more candid description would be intransigent and delusional.
@ NewSkeptic
There is nothing to say in the face of Someone's overweening confidence in their own infallibility. Someone lives in their own world of intellectual superiority and infallible argument.
The fact that Someone is a fucking imbecile who thinks that his argument has any more merit than the drooling whimperings of an incontinent infant should show anyone that theism is the dark path to intellectual self immolation.
Sheldon dissected every tortuous statement and handed it back, neatly served with no portion of logic touching each another. Someone disregarded it with blithe attitude of a six year old saying "I don't eat brussel sprouts" to her granny (who knows better). The statements made by Someone became increasingly immature, ill thought and frankly, after multiple identical postings tedious to the extreme.
Let ser go off and hug themselves convinced in their own mind that they have the answer and that their arguments were not examined, torn apart, fed to the dogs and, entirely found wanting.
I read every reply, and drove myself fucking mad trying to discover one particle of evidence for someone's partially sentient ravings. I came to the conclusion about the same time as Sheldon that Someone really was taking themselves far too seriously without a skerrick of coherent argument.
Been a bit entertaining though. Shame Someone wont debate with Chimes and Wind, two drivelling lunatics clashing would have a been a spectacle not to miss. Probably a wise move, I think C & S would outclass Someone in the mendacity, random links and sheer affrontery class.
@Old Man
That's right! Go! Go! Go, Team Chimes!
I think it's possible Someone's at least partly plagiarised this nonsense to be honest. When I pointed out one of his arguments was begging the question, a fallacy in informal logic he didn't know it was, he still doesn't as far as I can tell. Which is bizarre as you can Google it's meaning in a few seconds? So it doesn't seem credible to me he fully understands formal logic as he has implied, when using common logical fallacies and not even understanding what he's done.
@ Sheldon
Maybe he paraphrased it in a previous debate and decided it looked so good he would use it...*sigh*
Well if informal logical fallacies are good enough for William Lane Craig, I guess it's inevitable this will trickle down into other apologists who look up to him. Sadly WLC is a woeful debater, by any objective standard. Yet he allegedly is considered an accomplished philosopher by some?
Someone hasn't offered anything beyond his initial argument which is quite demonstrably an appeal to ignorance fallacy, challenging those who don't believe his claim for a deity designer to offer alternative explanations for things like human consciousness.
It was the regulars at the AR who proceeded toward the apex of a natural linguistic denouement in the recent rivalry betwixt, the ongoing protagonist and his expedition into realms of utter incapacity towards the procurement of a substantiation authenticating a position of callowness. The exact size substantiation of which was unspecified, impalpable, and unscientifically absurd. One member of the team precipitantly overwhelmed and annihilated the protagonists every maneuver , sustaining ascendancy.
The damage to the upper cranial portion of the protagonists anatomical structure will be irreversible and enduring in eons hence. Subsequently, the membership of the AR performed another phenomenal dispensation to the community in which the reside and the world as a whole. For that we thank you;.
@ Cog
Luvly Jubbly. And very amusing!