Teaching God How to Write the Bible

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Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Cyber LN

@ Cyber LN

Bugger! I had the nukes ready to frazzle him...

CyberLN's picture
So sorry, old man, I’m

So sorry, old man, I’m confident there will be others. ;-)

BTW, I really hat calling you “old” as I’m in the same neighborhood!

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Cyber

@ Cyber

I like the moniker it lowers peoples expectations, after all aren't old men meant to be crusty, curmudgeonly yet lovable? When they find out the truth, it's too late, I am already dicing them into tiny blood soaked fragments of genx.
I like having doors opened for me(when I carry my stick) being able to smile at gorgeous young people without being accused of unspeakable desires, sitting on the special needs seats in the train...half price pizzas on a tuesday, all that good stuff!
Plus riding my trike around I am now considered an eccentric rather than barking mad greenie LOL.

CyberLN's picture
I have long, almost

I have long, almost completely white hair. I dyed the bottom half of it indigo. I figure if I’m gunna be called a “blue hair” then I might as well have blue hair. :-)

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Cyber You rock!

@ Cyber

You rock!

Sushisnake's picture
@Cyber

@Cyber
Perhaps we could go with spry?

CyberLN's picture
I think it should be at least

I think it should be at least ‘indefatigable’...

Tin-Man's picture
Re: "Shelshock has left the

Re: "Shelshock has left the building."

NOOOOOoooooooooo.....!!! I saw him earlier and just didn't have time to respond. Been waiting all day to have some fun with that post. Not fair!!! *throwing temper tantrum* Waaaa-waaaaaa-waaaaaa...!

CyberLN's picture
Hush up and go to your room.

Hush up and go to your room.

Tin-Man's picture
@Cyber

@Cyber

*sulking and kicking the dirt* Yes, Ma'am.

*mumbling to self while walking away toward room* I never get to have any fun. *sob....sniff*

Sushisnake's picture
Could You start the book with

Could You start the book with "In the beginning, I got things wrong. I royally screwed up, causing countless people to be proper fucked for millennia. Sorry about that. "? Thanks God! *thumbs-up*

In addition, perhaps you could take Douglas Adam's advice and inscribe this on every mountain or decent sized hill. Or big rock, so flatlanders see it too?

'We apologize for the inconvenience.”

― Douglas Adams, So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish

the universal's picture
Please remember that the

Please remember that the Bible was banned, illegal and Prohibited against the law in Italy, Germany, England, France and Spain and many, many other regions of the earth. CAPITAL PUNISHMENT, The Death penalty, Imprisonment, torture and confiscation and destruction of all translation materials and all private property and the hunting down and destruction of all friends and family was the road that Bible translators traveled upon for hundreds of years. Many gave their lives to translate and preserve whatever translations that may have survived.

Also the Roman Catholics waited for nearly 500 years to produce their own Roman Catholic Produced Bible - into their own personal Latin / Italian Language ____ - And also Roman Catholics waited for nearly 2000 years to produce a bible into any another language on earth - other than their own personal cultural races Italian - Latin language. { that was the Douay Rheims { English} translation. - nearly 2000 years after Jee Zeus.

While banning, prohibiting and outlawing the Bible translations, many millions were tortured and killed for their faith in the Bible. Many others who were tortured, burned alive, having their throats slit open to bleed to death, their property and homes and families and friends destroyed for attempting to translate the Bible into their own language.

My fellow Atheists forget these facts and also forget that just because something cannot be proved it does not mean that it is not real or historical fact or possible. There is a reason that the Bible has not been preserved with more detail and more artifact value placed upon it.

Roman Catholics and Atheists and Muslims have many things in common and have a common enemy. I have found that even on my atheist side that Atheists will break the rules, deceive, lie and destroy evidence and twist the facts and lie about the Bible and even join and unite with the most horrible, murderous, evil people in history in order for the survival of their Atheism.

I have religious friends and as an atheist, I have no complaints.
I just have a difficult time believing in a God however it does not mean that I do not see the hypocrisy and deception of the Atheists organization that sets up a different set of rules for themselves in order to win the argument with false claims and lies and untruths that Atheists are allowed to tell and propagate and compare and equate to the Biblical message simply because they hate the Bible and the God of the Bible. It becomes impossible to expect honesty from someone who feels that they have a right and obligation to be dishonest. And this sometimes exists in the religious community as well and not just with Atheists alone, however, I see Atheists always resort to dishonesty at every turn and almost in all discussion as it progresses to any depth or profundity.

As an Atheist, I hope to achieve and offer the honesty and reality that my fellow Atheists have always denied and ripped away from the believers of The Bible at all costs.

Sky Pilot's picture
the universal,

the universal,

Why do you believe in an ancient ethnocentric Middle Eastern Jewish religious fairy tale when the Bible says that you shouldn't believe in such fairy tales?

the universal's picture
~ The Great Diotrephes.

~ The Great Diotrephes.

i SEE the great post You posted with a why and a when and it seems that You are trying to make use of a question mark to proposition me with a great question.

However, I am only presenting the detailed basic facts as they have transpired and recorded throughout history. I believe the facts aforementioned in my own post are true events concerning the problem that many people have horribly experienced who have attempted to translate the original Greek and Hebrew manuscripts.

I believe that the Bible itself does mention and tell of a very high number of accurate events throughout the known Middle Eastern history.

History itself as we know it today is in agreement and junction with many of the things recorded in the Bible. All I am saying as an honest atheist, I can not find any mistakes in the Bible history.

Yes, there are many things that are unprovable and unknown, However, the Bible has nothing about Ethnocentric Middle Eastern Jewish religious fairy tales.

The Bible affirms that it itself is all truth. You and I believing that there are fairy tales in the Bible is a decision that does not change what the manuscripts actually are saying.

Is there somethin]g You have found in the Bible that explains or affirms your great question that I am not aware of.

If you ask your question with a fact-based known event or truth then I would be able to provide You with the factful answer. But most atheists do not wish to address the Bible based on facts that have provable answers coming from the Bible.

However, I do not need to ignore the base fundamental realities of this in order to remain an atheist. - To many atheists, remaining ignorant of these facts while propagating this falsehood and ignoring this reality is a part of their atheist religion and theology as they pretend to address the subject while diverting from and twisting the basic facts and the very subject.

Nyarlathotep's picture
On more than one occasion you

@the universal

On more than one occasion you have referenced reading/translating "the original manuscripts" of the Bible. I was under the impression that these documents do not exist (or at least can't be found).

David Killens's picture
@the universal

@the universal

" All I am saying as an honest atheist, I can not find any mistakes in the Bible history."

In Genesis, god created earth first, then the sun later.

Mike drop.

LostLocke's picture
We can add in the flood that

We can add in the flood that covered the top of of the highest mountain.

Re-drop mike?

the universal's picture
Yes, Original physical

Yes, Original physical documents from the very time that they were written are not something that is possible to provide today.

I was explaining the hardships and violence, threats, burnings at the stakes, tortures, and impossibilities that so many of those seemingly foolish Christians faced who tried to translate, preserve and spread these documents.

However, today there are over 5,800 complete or fragmented Greek manuscripts, 10,000 Latin manuscripts and 9,300 manuscripts in various other ancient languages including Syriac, Slavic, Gothic, Ethiopic, Coptic and Armenian.

These manuscripts all provide the facts that In the many thousands of manuscript copies we possess of the New Testament, scholars have discovered that there are some 150,000 "variants."

A total of 24,000 partial and complete manuscript copies of the New Testament and out of these 150,000 variants, 99 percent hold virtually no significance whatsoever to change the message of the Bible. Many of these variants simply involve a missing letter in a word; some involve reversing the order of two words (such as "Christ Jesus" instead of "Jesus Christ"); some may involve the absence of one or more insignificant words.

50 of the variants have any real significance - and even then, no doctrine of the Christian faith or any moral commandment is affected by them.

For more than ninety-nine percent of the cases, the original text can be reconstructed to match giving the same message in agreement.

Sky Pilot's picture
the universal,

the universal,

"However, today there are over 5,800 complete or fragmented Greek manuscripts,"
will
The chances of you finding a Greek biblical manuscript that isn't written in the modern Greek alphabet is pretty slim.

BTW, the name "Jesus" didn't exist before 1630 A.D. so any "ancient" manuscript that has that name in it is a fake. And "Christ" wasn't routinely capitalized until the 17th Century.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Dio

@ Dio

And once again we agree from different angles, in fact many sources including Eusebius and earlier point to radical textual changes in the canon as it is accepted in the 19th to 21st century.
Theists of a certain mindset are convinced that there is an unbroken line of descent of their gospels and other supporting documents from approx 33CE to the present. That premise is absolute codswallop served with a large and unpleasantly warm side dish of bovine excrement.

Most of the claims in the post you have replied to in unaccustomed brevity (bravo!) are theist nonsense and hyperbole. Quite rightly dismissed with utmost contempt as coming from the utterances of a mere tyro and utterly without foundation in scholarship.

Sky Pilot's picture
Old man shouts ....,

Old man shouts ....,

"And once again we agree from different angles, in fact many sources including Eusebius and earlier point to radical textual changes in the canon as it is accepted in the 19th to 21st century."

Eusebius has a reputation of being a liar.
http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/eusebius/eusebius_the_liar.htm

Sheldon's picture
Facts? No text can validate

Facts? No text can validate it's own claims even if we have the very first example, that's axiomatic. Sadly you're woefully wrong here as the modern bible has been open to all manner of interpretation and amendment over time, hell it still is interpreted by the faithful, often in direct contradictions of what it actually says. We can only imagine the kind of "interpretations" that were assumed when no one was paying attention.

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