Thoughts on Homosexuality

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Thoughts on Homosexuality

I argued with a fellow theist (Muslim) about homosexuality, how their feelings are genuine, and how they are of a natural occurrence in nature. The theist claims that they are people who have been raped since youth, and must have had an altering incident in their early life since god created man to love woman and not another being of the same gender. I told the theist that it’s impossible that all gays were raped since youth, even so some rape victims are straight. The theist claims that all gays must have had an influential moment in their early life that they must be unaware of, must change their friends, and take their father as their role model. I asked him whether if they are to be blamed. He responded with a YES since they have their whole life to change their “deviance”. He gave me an advise to tell anyone whose gay to make ablution 5 times a day and pray all five Islamic prayer for a month and then see the results. Please some one tell me he’s an ignoramus, I need that closure.

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Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Aesclpius

@ Aesclpius

Please some one tell me he’s an ignoramus, I need that closure.

I will go one better, he is a fucking ignoramus. Also someone who knows fuck all about humanity and is utterly wrapped up in their religiotard bubble..probably enjoys some male on male porn but dare not admit it to himself. Ask him about the "boy dancers" of Afgahnistan and Pakistan why don't you?

Closure now? You have the right of it.

arakish's picture
And I'll add on what Old Man

And I'll add on what Old Man said. He's a fucking stupid damned retarded ignoramus.

Love is Love, regardless. Just like male = female = HUMAN, regardless.

rmfr

xenoview's picture
@Asclepius

@Asclepius
Does that mean there are a lot of gay or bisexual men raping little boys in Islamic countries?

Nyarlathotep's picture
The theist mentioned in the

The theist mentioned in the OP seems to want to attribute the cause of homosexuality on abuse the homosexual suffered while a child; yet paradoxically want to "blame" the homosexual themselves.

I don't agree with any of that; but it is interesting that even their internal narrative isn't consistent. Just more of the reflexive straw grabbing we see everyday.

Tin-Man's picture
@Asclepius

@Asclepius

I feel your pain, bud. Makes my blood boil hearing ignorant brain-fucked idiots spewing garbage like that. I must say, you are far more kind and tolerant than I would have been with that friend of yours. Narrow/closed-minded self-rightous jackasses like that get absolutely zero respect from me. So, yeah, if it helps give you some closure, that moronic piss-ant is about as useful as a smear of dog shit I scrape off the bottom of my shoe. Hope that helps you a bit.

LostLocke's picture
I'm curious. What does he

I'm curious. What does he have to say about bisexuals? Were they raped just a little bit? Just enough to get them interested in the same sex, but not enough to totally abandon the opposite sex?
Or, what about asexuals? Or demisexuals?
And that whole 'rape and orientation' thing comes up a lot with these kinds of people. Apparently, when a woman is raped she becomes a lesbian because she is disgusted by men. But if a man is raped he becomes sexuality attracted to men? Seems.... paradoxical.

arakish's picture
LostLocke: "Apparently, when

LostLocke: "Apparently, when a woman is raped she becomes a lesbian because she is disgusted by men."

And I can attest to this being false. It took me nearly 25 years to get past the promise I made to NEVER discuss this. But thanks to me friends here, I now can. My wife suffered a rape attempt by a 15 year old shit. However, because me wife and I had our own personal gym, she was able to fight him off while me daughters dialed 911. When he heard the sirens, he bolted. Although he could not be arrested due to the laws prohibiting a "child" under the age of 16, we were able to resolve the incident by having his mom arrested and him and his brother removed by Child Protective Services. It took me wife several months to get over it, but she did due to the love provided by me and me daughters. And it never phased her love for me. Enough said, this is still hard to talk about.

rmfr

LostLocke's picture
I'm truly sorry for that. I'm

I'm truly sorry for that. I'm glad she's doing ok.
And don't get me wrong, I understand that my statement is complete BS. I'm just parroting what other people, usually those of a theist type persuasion, say about things like rape and lesbianism.

Asclepius 's picture
I am sorry to what had

I am sorry to what had happened to your family and apologise for stirring such harsh memories. I wish you all the best.

arakish's picture
@ LostLocke & Asclepius

@ LostLocke & Asclepius

No apologies needed. I knew what was posted was bullshit, but I just wanted to post showing it ain't true to any theists who think otherwise. Thanks for the support and thanks for the upcoming condolences. A few years later, my family was killed by a drunk driver. I am doing OK now days, but miss them so deeply, it shall always hurt. But I have found talking about these things helps.

rmfr

Sheldon's picture
Extrapolating his vile

Extrapolating his vile bigotry to it's logical conclusions means every heterosexual who has ever lived was raped as a child by a member of the opposite sex. I wasn't, so he's a dumber than a bucket of hair, cue the next desperate rationalisation.

Why does he have a problem with raping children anyway, Mohammed raped a nine year old girl?

Peurii's picture
What is the use of calling

What is the use of calling the guy names? He's living in the bubble of his religion. Homosexuality probably doesn't play much of a role in his life, and it's shunned by his religion, so how could he be any different. He is in disagreement with modern western views on homosexuality, so does that make him a bad person? I disagree with him, but can I judge him? I wouldn't waste my breath calling him names. Such hostile conflict never changed anyone's mind.

ʝօɦn 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐy's picture
I feel like his response is a

I feel like his response is a very common Freudian one, which may not be a "modern," but is still a popular western view. If you search through your own repertoire of explanation, I'm sure you'll find some that are very similar, attributing certain maladaptive behaviors (domestic violence, bullying, etc.) to traumatic events in early childhood and so forth.

His Freudian views are simply intertwined with his theistic views.

Nyarlathotep's picture
Breezy - I'm sure you'll find

Breezy - I'm sure you'll find some that are very similar, attributing certain maladaptive behaviors (domestic violence, bullying, etc.) to traumatic events in early childhood and so forth.

Are you suggesting that homosexuality is maladaptive behavior?

arakish's picture
Certainly seems that way to

Certainly seems that way to me. Makes him a bigot.

rmfr

Nyarlathotep's picture
@Breezy

@Breezy

This isn't a question you want to ignore.

Sheldon's picture
The Koran and Bible condemn

The Koran and Bible condemn gay people. I suspect they wouldn't need subtle Freudian rationalisation with definitive texts "from god" telling them homophobia is not just acceptable but a necessary part of their religious beliefs.

The idea, as some suggest, we shouldn't condemn such attitudes is baffling to me though. Nazis were indoctrinated through centuries of virulent Christian anti semtism to view genocide as morally acceptable. In Japan the JIA committed unspeakable attrocities on military and civilian captives alike, after years of indoctrination encompassing blind obedience to the religious idea their emperor was a living deity.

Are we to moderate our condemnation because they were indoctrinated for decades, or even from birth?

Pernicious attitudes and beliefs should always be condemned IMHO, and I fail to see what difference it makes that this theist is deluded and indoctrinated.

People ultimately do have a choice in what they believe is moral, and how they act towards others. No one can choose to be straight if they are not.

Ignorant and pernicious bigotry should always be condemned. If more decent people did so there'd be less of it in the world.

Sheldon's picture
"The theist claims that they

"The theist claims that they are people who have been raped since youth, and must have had an altering incident in their early life,"

Then they're a bigoted scumbag, I'd have nothing to do with anyone that vile.

" I asked him whether if they are to be blamed. He responded with a YES since they have their whole life to change their “deviance”.

Tell him I think he's an amoral scumbag, and he is to blame for this, and has his whole life to change his repugnant bigotry.

"He gave me an advise to tell anyone whose gay to make ablution 5 times a day and pray all five Islamic prayer for a month and then see the results. Please some one tell me he’s an ignoramus, I need that closure."

You need someone to tell you that you can't wash away the gay? This guy is a moron, and a vile bigot. Tell him I am saying he should wash his mouth out ten times a day until he can talk without espousing such vile bigotry.

Cognostic's picture
Does not effect me... Too

Does not effect me... Too bad your friend was Muslim, you could have pointed out all the homosexual couples in the bible. You are correct asserting that there is a frequency of about 10% in all mammalian species.

Here is a funny article for you "Pakistan has the highest volume of internet searches for gay pornography despite being one of the least tolerant countries when it comes to homosexuality."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2342217/Pakistan-internet-users...

AUS-LGBT's picture
Omg that was hilarious XD

Omg that was hilarious XD

AUS-LGBT's picture
I loved that you argued with

@asclepius
I loved that you argued with him, what he said was really offensive.

Diotrephes's picture
Asclepius,

Asclepius,

Just remember that according to the Islamic fairy tale when guys go to paradise they get a couple of 90 foot tall translucent women creatures and some ordinary women. They also get a herd of cute boys and an eternal erection. It's going to be hard to get it on with the 90 foot tall women creatures if the guys stay the same size. But a lot of muslim guys, especially Afghans, go wild over cute boys. So the Islamic paradise sounds like a homosexual's delight. And Mohammed liked to kiss the boys.

Hit your buddy with that and see how he squirms.

Algebe's picture
@Asclepius: The theist claims

@Asclepius: The theist claims that they are people who have been raped since youth

That was the prevailing view in the country where I was a child in 1950s and 60s. Most parents seemed to believe that homosexuality was a disease that their sons could catch by associating with homosexuals in disreputable places like Cambridge University. Homosexuality was illegal, and men were frequently jailed or persecuted, including one of our greatest writers and a man who had saved countless lives in World War II through his scientific achievements. In my country the biggest sources of anti-gay bigotry were the Christian churches, despite (or perhaps because of) the fact that vicars and priests were always being prosecuted for molesting boys in their Scout and Boys' Brigade groups.

That country was of course England. We've grown up a bit since then, and I'm sure that your country will too. In my opinion, anti-gay hatred is a smokescreen. One can only hope that one day the haters will pick on the wrong gay. As the British author Quentin Crisp said, some toughs are queer, and some queers are tough.

Cognostic's picture
That's just bullshit. I have

That's just bullshit. I have been raped since youth and look at me.... perfectly normal!!! Well, except for that pig nose thing. But I am working through that in therapy.

David Killens's picture
My rage is profound, because

My rage is profound, because of the offensive crap coming from theists. They have to invent some reason why gays are they way they are. They are not abnormal or emotionally crippled, they are full and healthy human beings.

And now I have to calm off, by playing my favorite gay Russian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8J8urC_8Jw&t=250s

My father did convoy duty in the North Atlantic during WW2. There is a very real possibility I owe my existence to Alan Turing. You are never forgotten Alan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Btqro3544p8

LogicFTW's picture
@Asclepius

@Asclepius

Please some one tell me he’s an ignoramus, I need that closure.

The guy is an ignoramus, of the worst kind. The kind of ignorant person that is so ignorant they do not realize they are completely ignorant.

In the realm of reality, based on evidence and careful scientific study with controls etc. Some people are just born gay/homosexual or any other degrees of homosexual, bisexual or hetrosexual, while it is deeply complex and not fully understood; a gay person cannot be "not gay" even if they wanted to. It is almost like having dark hair instead of light hair, you can't "just change it" about yourself, sure you could dye it, cut it etc, but you can't "will" into place your brown hair to be blonde hair.

 
 

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Cognostic's picture
I have not thought about

I have not thought about homosexuality since the last time I saw this post. Could there be something wrong with me? WHY DON'T I CARE????? Do I need therapy? Am I making fun of the struggle of the poor homosexuals to gain equal rights and battle the Religious infrastructure of our nation? Arrgggggghhhhh! I'm not a worthy human being!!!

David Killens's picture
If that Muslim theist's

If that Muslim theist's theory was valid, then places of strife and trauma would be breeding grounds for homosexuality.

Therefore ISIS is .............

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