Why do some think Human Level Artificial Intelligence is impossible?

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Why do some think Human Level Artificial Intelligence is impossible?

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Argument from authority

Argument from authority fallacy. I don't give a shit if every expert on the planet says it.

Intelligence arising outside of biology has not been observed.

Nobody knows if it is truly possible. There is no working model. There are no examples.

I do not believe unevidenced claims. You are making the claim, the burden of proof is on you.

Avant Brown's picture
Intelligence arising outside

Intelligence arising outside of biology has not been observed.

  • Can you please provide a citation?
  • Also, when you visit the medical Doctor for advice, do you consider that argument form authority? You seem to be confusing contacting expert advice, with argument from authority, I ponder why.
  • Side-note. If you think human level ai is impossible, although that's not yet achieved as far as I am aware, there are scientific models that exist concerning said human level ai (AGI).

    [It's almost like you're saying that since no grand unified theory has yet been empirically observed, then therefore, Grand Unified Theories are fiction.] ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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    Why is your deity impossible?

    Why is your deity impossible? Because of Arakish's Razor: NO EVIDENCE = NO EXISTENCE.

    Just like all other deities us atheists have slain.

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Thermodosa, Thraso, Thyonidas, Thyrsophoros, Tmolene, Toxaris, Toxis, Toxophile,Trevia, Tricephalus, Trieterikos, Trigonos, Trismegestos, Tritogeneia, Tropaios, Trophonius,Tumborukhos, Tyche, Typhon, Urania, Valasca, Xanthippe, Xenios, Zagreus, Zathos, Zephryos, Zeus, Zeus Katakhthonios, Zoophoros

    Native American: 711 Gods, Heroes, and Anthropomorphized Facets of Nature
    Aakuluujjusi, Ab Kin zoc, Abaangui, Ababinili, Ac Yanto, Acan, Acat, Achiyalatopa, Acna, Acolmiztli, Acolnahuacatl, Acuecucyoticihuati, Adamisil Wedo, Adaox, Adekagagwaa, Adlet, Adlivun, Agloolik, Aguara, Ah Bolom Tzacab, Ah Cancum, Ah Chun Caan, Ah Chuy Kak, Ah Ciliz, Ah Cun Can, Ah Cuxtal, Ah hulneb, Ah Kin, Ah Kumix Uinicob, Ah Mun, Ah Muzencab, Ah Patnar Uinicob, Ah Peku, Ah Puch, Ah Tabai, Ah UincirDz'acab, Ah Uuc Ticab, Ah Wink-ir Masa, Ahau Chamahez, Ahau-Kin, Ahmakiq, Ahnt Alis Pok', Ahnt Kai', Aholi, Ahsonnutli, Ahuic, Ahulane, Aiauh, Aipaloovik, Ajbit, Ajilee, Ajtzak, Akbaalia, Akba-atatdia, Akhlut, Akhushtal, Akna, Akycha, Alaghom Naom Tzentel, Albino Spirit animals, Alektca, Alignak, Allanque, Allowat Sakima, Alom, Alowatsakima, Amaguq, Amala, Amimitl, Amitolane, Amotken, Andaokut, Andiciopec, Anerneq, Anetlacualtiliztli, Angalkuq, Angpetu Wi, Anguta, Angwusnasomtaka, Ani Hyuntikwalaski, Animal spirits, Aningan, Aniwye, Anog Ite, Anpao, Apanuugak, Apicilnic, Apikunni, Apotamkin, Apoyan Tachi, Apozanolotl, Apu Punchau, Aqalax, Arendiwane, Arnakua'gsak, Asdiwal, Asgaya Gigagei, Asiaq, Asin, Asintmah, Atacokai, Atahensic, Aticpac Calqui Cihuatl, Atira, Atisokan, Atius Tirawa, Atl, Atlacamani, Atlacoya, Atlatonin, Atlaua, Atshen, Auilix, Aulanerk, Aumanil, Aunggaak, Aunt Nancy, Awaeh Yegendji, Awakkule, Awitelin Tsta, Awonawilona, Ayauhteotl, Azeban, Baaxpee, Bacabs, Backlum Chaam, Bagucks, Bakbakwalanooksiwae, Balam, Baldhead, Basamacha, Basket Woman, Bead Spitter, Bear, Bear Medicine Woman, Bear Woman, Beaver, Beaver Doctor, Big Heads, Big Man Eater, Big Tail, Big Twisted Flute, Bikeh hozho, Bitol, Black Hactcin, Black Tamanous, Blind Boy, Blind Man, Blood Clot Boy, Bloody Hand, Blue-Jay, Bmola, Bolontiku, Breathmaker, Buffalo, Buluc Chabtan, Burnt Belly, Burnt Face, Butterfly, Cabaguil, Cacoch, Cajolom, Cakulha, Camaxtli, Camozotz, Cannibal Grandmother, Cannibal Woman, Canotila, Capa, Caprakan, Ca-the-ña, Cauac, Centeotl, Centzonuitznaua, Cetan, Chac Uayab Xoc, Chac, Chahnameed, Chakwaina Okya, Chalchihuitlicue, Chalchiuhtlatonal, Chalchiutotolin, Chalmecacihuilt, Chalmecatl, Chamer, Changing Bear Woman, Changing Woman, Chantico, Chaob, Charred Body, Chepi, Chibiabos, Chibirias, Chiccan, Chicomecoatl, Chicomexochtli, Chiconahui, Chiconahuiehecatl, Chie, Child-Born-in-Jug, Chirakan, Chulyen, Cihuacoatl, Cin-an-ev, Cinteotl, Cipactli, Cirapé, Cit Chac Coh, Cit-Bolon-Tum, Citlalatonac, Citlalicue, Ciucoatl, Ciuteoteo, Cizin, Cliff ogre, Coatlicue, Cochimetl, Cocijo, Colel Cab, Colop U Uichkin, Copil, Coyolxauhqui, Coyopa, Coyote, Cripple Boy, Crow, Crow Woman, Cum hau, Cunawabi, Dagwanoenyent, Dahdahwat, Daldal, Deohako, Dhol, Diyin dine, Djien, Djigonasee, Dohkwibuhch, Dzalarhons, Dzalarhons, Eagentci, Eagle, Earth Shaman, Eeyeekalduk, Ehecatl, Ehlaumel, Eithinoha, Ekchuah, Enumclaw, Eototo, Esaugetuh Emissee, Esceheman, Eschetewuarha, Estanatlehi, Estasanatlehi, Estsanatlehi, Evaki, Evening Star, Ewah, Ewauna, Face, Faces of the Forests, False Faces, Famine, Fastachee, Fire Dogs, First Creator, First Man and First Woman, First Scolder, Flint Man, Flood, Flower Woman, Foot Stuck Child, Ga'an, Ga-gaah, Gahe, Galokwudzuwis, Gaoh, Gawaunduk, Geezhigo-Quae, Gendenwitha, Genetaska, Ghanan, Gitche Manitou, Glispa, Glooskap, Gluscabi, Gluskab, Gluskap, Godasiyo, Gohone, Great Seahouse, Greenmantle, Gucumatz, Gukumatz, Gunnodoyak, Gyhldeptis, Ha Wen Neyu, Hacauitz, Hacha'kyum, Hagondes, Hahgwehdiyu, Hamatsa, Hamedicu, Hanghepi Wi, Hantceiitehi, Haokah, Hastseoltoi, Hastshehogan, He'mask.as, Hen, Heyoka, Hiawatha, Hino, Hisakitaimisi, Hokhokw, Hotoru, Huehuecoyotl, Huehueteotl, Huitaca, Huitzilopochtli, Huixtocihuatl, Hummingbird, Hun hunahpu, Hun Pic Tok, Hunab Ku, Hunahpu Utiu, Hunahpu, Hunahpu-Gutch, Hunhau, Hurakan, Iatiku And Nautsiti, Ich-kanava, Ictinike, Idliragijenget, Idlirvirisong, Igaluk, Ignirtoq, Ikanam, Iktomi, Ilamatecuhtli, Illapa, Ilya p'a, i'noGo tied, Inti, Inua, Ioskeha, Ipalnemohuani, Isakakate, Ishigaq, Isitoq, Issitoq, Ite, Itzamná, Itzananohk`u, Itzlacoliuhque, Itzli, Itzpapalotl, Ix Chebel Yax, Ixbalanque, Ixchel, Ixchup, Ixmucane, Ixpiyacoc, Ixtab, Ixtlilton, Ixtubtin, Ixzaluoh, Iya, Iyatiku, Iztaccihuatl, Iztacmixcohuatl, Jaguar Night, Jaguar Quitze, Jogah, Kaakwha, Kabun, Kabun, Kachinas, Kadlu, Ka-Ha-Si, Ka-Ha-Si, Kaik, Kaiti, Kan, Kana'ti and Selu, Kanati, Kan-u-Uayeyab, Kan-xib-yui, Kapoonis, Katsinas, Keelut, Ketchimanetowa, Ketq Skwaye, Kianto, Kigatilik, Kilya, K'in, Kinich Ahau, Kinich Kakmo, Kishelemukong, Kisin, Kitcki Manitou, Kmukamch, Kokopelli, Ko'lok, Kukulcan, Kushapatshikan, Kutni, Kutya'I, Kwakwakalanooksiwae,Kwatee, Kwekwaxa'we, Kwikumat, Kyoi, Lagua, Land Otter People, Lawalawa, Logobola, Loha, Lone Man, Long Nose, Loon, Loon Medicine, Loon Woman, Loo-wit, Macaw Woman, Macuilxochitl, Maho Peneta, Mahucutah, Makenaima, Malesk, Malina, Malinalxochi, Malsum, Malsumis, Mam, Mama Cocha, Man in moon, Manabozho, Manetuwak, Mani'to, Manitou, Mannegishi, Manu, Masaya, Masewi, Master of Life, Master Of Winds, Matshishkapeu, Mavutsinim, Mayahuel, Medeoulin, Mekala, Menahka, Meteinuwak, Metztli, Mexitl, Michabo, Mictecacihuatl, Mictlan, Mictlantecuhtli, Mikchich, Mikumwesu, Mitnal, Mixcoatl, Mongwi Kachinum, Morning Star, Motho and Mungo, Mulac, Muut, Muyingwa, Nacon, Nagenatzani, Nagi Tanka, Nagual, Nahual, Nakawé, Nanabojo, Nanabozho, Nanabush, Nanahuatzin, Nanautzin, Nanih Waiya, Nankil'slas, Nanook, Naum, Negafook, Nerrivik, Nesaru, Nianque, Nishanu, Nohochacyum, Nokomis, Nootaikok, North Star, Nujalik, Nukatem, Nunne Chaha, Ocasta, Ockabewis, Odzihozo, Ohtas, Oklatabashih, Old Man, Olelbis, Omacatl, Omecihuatl, Ometecuhtli, Onatha, One Tail of Clear Hair, Oonawieh Unggi, Opochtli, Oshadagea, Owl Woman, Pah, Pah, Paiowa, Pakrokitat, Pana, Patecatl, Pautiwa, Paynal, Pemtemweha, Piasa, PikvÁhahirak, Pinga, Pomola, Pot-tilter, Prairie Falcon, Ptehehincalasanwin, Pukkeenegak, Qaholom, Qakma, Qiqirn, Quaoar, Quetzalcoatl, Qumu, Quootis-hooi, Rabbit, Ragno, Raven, Raw Gums, Rukko, Sagamores, Sagapgia, Sanopi, Saynday, Sedna, Selu, Shakuru, Sharkura, Shilup Chito Osh, Shrimp house, Sila, Sint Holo, Sio humis, Sisiutl, Skan, Snallygaster, Sosondowah, South Star, Spider Woman, Sta-au, Stonecoats, Sun, Sungrey, Ta Tanka, Tabaldak, Taime, Taiowa, Talocan, Tans, Taqwus, Tarhuhyiawahku, Tarquiup Inua, Tate, Tawa, Tawiscara, Ta'xet, Tcisaki, Tecciztecatl, Tekkeitserktock, Tekkeitsertok, Telmekic, Teoyaomqui, Tepeu, Tepeyollotl, Teteoinnan, Tezcatlipoca, Thobadestchin, Thoume', Thunder, Thunder Bird, Tieholtsodi, Tihtipihin, Tirawa, Tirawa Atius, Tlacolotl, Tlahuixcalpantecuhtli, Tlaloc, Tlaltecuhtli, Tlauixcalpantecuhtli, Tlazolteotl, Tohil, Tokpela,Tonantzin, Tonatiuh, To'nenile, Tonenili, Tootega, Torngasak, Torngasoak, Trickster/Transformer, True jaguar, Tsentsa, Tsichtinako, Tsohanoai Tsonoqwa, Tsul 'Kalu, Tulugaak, Tumas, Tunkan ingan, Turquoise Boy, Twin Thunder Boys, Txamsem, Tzakol, Tzitzimime, Uazzale, Uchtsiti, Udó, Uentshukumishiteu, Ueuecoyotl, Ugly Way, Ugni, Uhepono, Uitzilopochtli, Ukat, Underwater Panthers, Unhcegila, Unipkaat, Unk, Unktomi, Untunktahe, Urcaguary, Utea, Uwashil, Vassagijik, Voltan, Wabosso, Wabun, Wachabe, Wah-Kah-Nee, Wakan, Wakanda, Wakan-Tanka, Wakinyan, Wan niomi, Wanagi, Wananikwe, Watavinewa, Water babies, Waukheon, We-gyet, Wemicus, Wendigo, Wentshukumishiteu, White Buffalo Woman, Whope, Wi, Wicahmunga, Wihmunga, Windigo, Winonah, Wisagatcak, Wisagatcak, Wishpoosh, Wiyot, Wovoka, Wuya, Xaman Ek, Xelas, Xibalba, Xilonen, Xipe Totec, Xiuhcoatl, Xiuhtecuhtli, Xiuhtecutli, Xmucane, Xochipili, Xochiquetzal, Xocotl, Xolotl, Xpiyacoc, Xpuch And Xtah, Yacatecuhtli, Yaluk, Yanauluha, Ya-o-gah, Yeba Ka, Yebaad, Yehl, Yeitso, Yiacatecuhtli, Yolkai Estsan, Yoskeha, Yum Kaax, Yuwipi, Zaramama, Zipaltonal, Zotz

    Norse, 111 Deities, Giants and Monsters:
    Aegir, Aesir, Alfrigg, Audumbla, Aurgelmir, Balder, Berchta, Bergelmir, Bor, Bragi, Brisings, Buri, Etin, Fenris, Forseti, Frey, Freyja, Frigga, Gefion, Gerda, Gode, Gymir, Harke, Heimdall, Hel, Hermod, Hodur, Holda, Holle, Honir, Hymir, Idun, Jormungandr, Ljolsalfs, Loki, Magni, Mimir, Mistarblindi, Muspel, Nanna, Nanni, Nerthus, Njord, Norns, Odin, Perchta, Ran, Rig, Segyn, Sif, Skadi, Skirnir, Skuld, Sleipnir, Surt, Svadilfari, tanngniotr, tanngrisnr, Thiassi, Thor, Thrud, Thrudgelmir, Thrym, Thurs, Tyr, Uller, Urd, Vali, Vali, Valkyries, Vanir, Ve, Verdandi, Vidar, Wode, Ymir

    Pacific islands: 99 Deities, Demigods and Immortal Monsters:
    Abeguwo, Abere, Adaro, Afekan, Ai Tupua'i, 'Aiaru, Ala Muki, Alalahe, Alii Menehune, Aluluei, Aruaka, Asin, Atanea, Audjal, Aumakua, Babamik, Bakoa, Barong, Batara Kala, Buring Une, Darago, Dayang-Raca, De Ai, Dogai, Enda Semangko, Faumea, Giriputri, Goga, Haumea, Hiiaka', Hina, Hine, Hoa-Tapu, 'Imoa, Io, Kanaloa, Kanaloa, Kane, Kapo, Kava, Konori, Ku, Kuhuluhulumanu, Kuklikimoku, Kukoae, Ku'ula, Laka, Laulaati, Lono, Mahiuki, MakeMake, Marruni, Maru, Maui, Melu, Menehune, Moeuhane, MOO-LAU, Ndauthina, Ne Te-reere, Nevinbimbaau, Ngendei, Nobu, Oro, Ove, Paka'a, Papa, Pele, Quat, Rangi, Rati, Rati-mbati-ndua, Ratu-Mai-Mbula, Rua, Ruahatu, Saning Sri, Ta'aroa, Taaroa, Tamakaia, Tane, Tanemahuta, Tangaroa, Tawhaki, Tiki, Tinirau, Tu, Tuli, Turi-a-faumea, Uira, Ukupanipo, Ulupoka, Umboko Indra, Vanuatu, Wahini-Hal, Walutahanga, Wari-Ma-Te-Takere, Whaitiri, Whatu, Wigan

    South American: 53 Deities, Demigods, Beings of Divine Substance:
    Abaangui, Aclla, Akewa, Asima Si, Atoja, Auchimalgen, Axomama, Bachué, Beru, Bochica, Boiuna, Calounger, Catequil, Cavillaca, Ceiuci, Chasca, Chie, Cocomama, Gaumansuri, Huitaca, Iae, Ilyap'a, Ina, Inti, Ituana, Jamaina, Jandira, Jarina, Jubbu-jang-sangne, Ka-ata-killa, Kilya, Kuat, Kun, Luandinha, Lupi, Mama Allpa, Mama Quilla, Mamacocha, Manco Capac, Maret-Jikky, Maretkhmakniam, Mariana, Oshossi, Pachamac, Pachamama, Perimbó, Rainha Barba, Si, Supai, Topétine, Viracocha, Yemanja (Imanje), Zume Topana

    “Why do you believe in your god and not any of these thousands of now-dead gods? Could it be simply because of the circumstances of your birth? Does the absolute truth depend on where you are born?”

    As Ricky Gervais said, “Tell me the reason why you do not believe in all the other gods that have existed, and you have just answered your question as to why I do not believe in your god.”

    rmfr

    Avant Brown's picture
    How does one report a message

    How does one report a message?

    The above response by "arakish" could be considered spam. [i.e. a copy paste of large bodies of text, is reasonably violating rule 4 of the forum guidelines.]

    arakish's picture
    It is not spam, null-brain.

    It is not spam, null-brain. It is just a very large list of deities that have been slain by atheists and other theists.

    The way you proselytize about your definition of AI qualifies as a deity to be slain. Thus, I just included all the other slain gods.

    You can't handle the truth.

    rmfr

    Avant Brown's picture
    It is not spam, null-brain.

    It is not spam, null-brain. It is just a very large list of deities that have been slain by atheists and other theists.

    The way you proselytize about your definition of AI qualifies as a deity to be slain. Thus, I just included all the other slain gods.

    You can't handle the truth.

    rmfr

    Do you proselytize or worship things that may be observed as viable, or impactful?

    If you can detect the value of a thing, without worshiping it, why can't others? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    arakish's picture
    @ Avant Brown

    @ Avant Brown

    ABT (BGBrainless): "Do you proselytize or worship things that may be observed as viable, or impactful?"

    Nope. I'll say it once, if people ain't gonna believe me, I drop it. I never proselytize. And as said in the other thread, you could say I worship three things. However, it is more accurate to say I hold those three things in high regard. I would tell what they are, but I am fairly certain it would beyond your understanding. Regulars here probably know of what I speak, but it would be beyond your level of intelligence.

    ABT (BGBrainless): "If you can detect the value of a thing, without worshiping it, why can't others?"

    I never said others could not hold other things in high regard. However, you my friend have done nothing but prove your lack of intelligence (PhD candidate (LOL) who swears by Wikipedia as a primary source) that ALL Religious Absolutists and Apologists possess.

    You are a Religious Absolutist and Apologist who bows done to your deity and proselytizes about that deity. You make assertions without even one jot or iota of OBJECTIVE HARD EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE. You have shown yourself to be incapable of critical thinking, logical and deductive reasoning, and rational and analytica thought which is purposefully suppressed and mentally retarded by ALL Religious Absolutists and Apologists. You perform the SAME EXACT TACTIC ALL Religious Absolutists and Apologists do by inundating the same bullshit in post after post after post hoping that by shear numbers iterations and reiterations, you may be able to FORCE your religious beliefs onto others.

    My Fourth Commandment of Humanity (uncensored): You shall respect the right of ALL persons to believe whatsoever they wish to believe; even if contradictory to your beliefs. You may discuss beliefs; however, forcing your beliefs onto others is condemnable, under penalty of death.

    You my friend by shear brute force attack are trying to FORCE your religious beliefs onto others here. If you do not like the fact that no one here accepts and does not believe your proselytization, then go somewhere else and spew your bullshit.

    And finally:

    @ Nyarlathotep: Could you please check to see if Blue Grey Brain (Avant Brown) is sock puppet of ProgrammingGodJordan? Been thinking along these lines for awhile now, but the fun I was having has become a frustration. Thanks.

    rmfr

    Avant Brown's picture
    @ Avant Brown

    @ Avant Brown

    ABT (BGBrainless): "Do you proselytize or worship things that may be observed as viable, or impactful?"

    Nope. I'll say it once, if people ain't gonna believe me, I drop it. I never proselytize. And as said in the other thread, you could say I worship three things. However, it is more accurate to say I hold those three things in high regard. I would tell what they are, but I am fairly certain it would beyond your understanding. Regulars here probably know of what I speak, but it would be beyond your level of intelligence.

    ABT (BGBrainless): "If you can detect the value of a thing, without worshiping it, why can't others?"

    I never said others could not hold other things in high regard. However, you my friend have done nothing but prove your lack of intelligence (PhD candidate (LOL) who swears by Wikipedia as a primary source) that ALL Religious Absolutists and Apologists possess.

    You are a Religious Absolutist and Apologist who bows done to your deity and proselytizes about that deity. You make assertions without even one jot or iota of OBJECTIVE HARD EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE. You have shown yourself to be incapable of critical thinking, logical and deductive reasoning, and rational and analytica thought which is purposefully suppressed and mentally retarded by ALL Religious Absolutists and Apologists. You perform the SAME EXACT TACTIC ALL Religious Absolutists and Apologists do by inundating the same bullshit in post after post after post hoping that by shear numbers iterations and reiterations, you may be able to FORCE your religious beliefs onto others.

    My Fourth Commandment of Humanity (uncensored): You shall respect the right of ALL persons to believe whatsoever they wish to believe; even if contradictory to your beliefs. You may discuss beliefs; however, forcing your beliefs onto others is condemnable, under penalty of death.

    You my friend by shear brute force attack are trying to FORCE your religious beliefs onto others here. If you do not like the fact that no one here accepts and does not believe your proselytization, then go somewhere else and spew your bullshit.

    And finally:

    @ Nyarlathotep: Could you please check to see if Blue Grey Brain (Avant Brown) is sock puppet of ProgrammingGodJordan? Been thinking along these lines for awhile now, but the fun I was having has become a frustration. Thanks.

    rmfr

    1. You constantly mischaracterize my expressions, and you are still unable to quote where I remotely supposedly mentioned that Wikipedia signifies a primary source.

    ~

    2. I don't seek to discover your interests, as I doubt they are of any non-trivial significance, unless they concern physics/artificial intelligence.

    Rather than seek to discover your interest, I trivially show that one need not worship some significant technology, in order to detect its value.

    David Killens's picture
    I do not claim that human

    I do not claim that human level intelligence is impossible. One day it may come to pass.

    But I have not been convinced that it will come in the near future. IMO it may not be integrated processors but some other form of computing device.

    Avant Brown you are a humorless theist. You worship at the alter of AI and exhibit all the traits of a theist.

    Avant Brown's picture
    I do not claim that human

    I do not claim that human level intelligence is impossible. One day it may come to pass.

    But I have not been convinced that it will come in the near future. IMO it may not be integrated processors but some other form of computing device.

    Avant Brown you are a humorless theist. You worship at the alter of AI and exhibit all the traits of a theist.

    Your response is quite fallacious.

    That I cite research that you may have been unaware of, [namely as a valid sequence of information], does not signify that I am a theist, nor does it signify that I worship said information.

    One can detect the validity of a model, without worshiping it, which you seem to be blatantly ignoring.

    arakish's picture
    David Killens: "I do not

    David Killens: "I do not claim that human level intelligence is impossible."

    For some humans it is. Especially those claiming to be STEM PhD candidates who think Wikipedia is an academic resource for science.

    rmfr

    Meepwned's picture
    @Avant Brown Do you seriously

    @Avant Brown Do you seriously expect me to prove a negative? That's the same pathetic rebuttal theists use.

    Also I never said AGI was impossible. It simply is an unproven hypothesis.

    You spout speculation of "experts" like it is evidence in your favor. That is an argument from authority, or better phrased as an appeal to authority. Either way, it is the same fallacy.

    1) Can you provide objective evidence for general intelligence arising from anything inorganic?

    2) Can you provide objective evidence that AI can do anything other than what they are programmed to do?

    3) Can you provide objective evidence for machines achieving self awareness?

    Avant Brown's picture
    @Avant Brown Do you seriously

    @Avant Brown Do you seriously expect me to prove a negative? That's the same pathetic rebuttal theists use.

    That's reasonably a red-herring fallacy; I am not asking you to prove that unfalsifiable things like Gods can't exist.

    Instead, as commonly occuring in science, I requested that you falsify current models of AGI feasibility [like this one], which are actually falsiable models in science.

    ~

    The fact that you attempted to do the above, shows that you didn't know or didn't make the connection that falsiable models regarding AGI existed, despite my referencing these models.

    Meepwned's words:
    Also I never said AGI was impossible. It simply is an unproven hypothesis.

    You spout speculation of "experts" like it is evidence in your favor. That is an argument from authority, or better phrased as an appeal to authority. Either way, it is the same fallacy.

    You cited AGI as fiction, several times [As I underlined quoting you here, for example.]

    Once more, contacting experts is not to be confused with argument from authority.

    I bet you don't claim your doctor's medical advice is an argument from authority fallacy, but you readily disregard my reference to experts in the ai field, to aim to support your feelings regarding AGI's supposedly fictional status.

    Meepwned's words:
    1) Can you provide objective evidence for general intelligence arising from anything inorganic?

    Yes, there is an entire field of artificial general intelligence research, devoted to this goal. I already provided an example of AGI frameworks.

    That AGI is not yet here, does not signify that AGI research is fiction.

    That atoms were not back then empirically observed, did not mean scientific atomic theories were fictional.

    Meepwned's words:
    2) Can you provide objective evidence that AI can do anything other than what they are programmed to do?

    Ai algorithms mostly learn from blank-like base code; i.e. they start out stupid, then learn to solve pre-defined tasks nowadays. [Wikipedia/Machine Learning.]
    This is however not an argument against the feasibility of AGI.

    ~

    That argument is rather demonstrably silly; and the analogy below that mirrors your logic, reasonably applies:

    That flat screen tvs did not exist back in the age of CRT monitors, means flat screens are not feasible or science fiction, despite the existence back then of scientific papers for Flat screen tv.

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    3) Can you provide objective evidence for machines achieving self awareness?

    As I said long ago, Science does not indicate whether or not self-awareness is a neccesity for artificial general intelligence.

    ~

    In fact, many smart ai systems today, exceed or equal humans in individual cognitive tasks, without the need for human self-awareness.

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    Avant Brown - I am not asking

    Avant Brown - I am not asking you to prove that unfalsifiable things...

    That is exactly what you did.

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    That is exactly what you did.

    That is exactly what you did.

    So, by your logic, Artificial General Intelligence Research is fictional.

    So, by your logic, atomic theories, before they were observed empirically, were fictional.

    So, by your logic, no Grand unified theory is yet empirically observed, so therefore Grand Unified Theories are fictional.

    Or do you have another point that I may be missing? And also, please [including citations] tell me why you think AGI research is supposedly unfalsifiable. If you can't provide evidence, please at least share your feelings, although I will probably ignore feelings-aligned responses.

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    arakish - Could you please

    arakish - Could you please check to see if...Avant Brown...is sock puppet of ProgrammingGodJordan?

    I checked that several days ago. Yes, they seem to be pushing a similar ideology, with similar methods; but there is little chance they are the same person.

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    Thanks. I started thinking

    Thanks. I started thinking that on his very first post. Well, it may be getting to a point of another voter post though...

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