Why don’t some atheists acknowledge Gods existence is reasonable?

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Why don’t some atheists acknowledge Gods existence is reasonable?

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AJ777's picture
There is evidence for the

There is evidence for the existence of God. To deny that any evidence exists is dishonest. To be simply unconvinced by the evidence is honest. Are there any honest atheists on this forum?

Keith Raye's picture
There aren't many idiots

There aren't many idiots among the atheists here, that's for sure.

Sheldon's picture
"There is evidence for the

"There is evidence for the existence of God. To deny that any evidence exists is dishonest. To be simply unconvinced by the evidence is honest. Are there any honest atheists on this forum?"

Hi,

Can you demonstrate any of this evidence? I don't believe any deity exists as I have never seen any evidence demonstrated for a deity or deities. I won't prejudge, though I given how often I see such claims turn to nought I am sceptical, sorry. However if you're going to assert there is evidence, and accuse anyone who denies this as dishonest you should at least show that evidence so others can evaluate it for themselves. I'm not going to sit through a You Tube clip where they start by asserting rejecting a belief requires faith, rather than evidencing the belief, and cite a book that is simply a woeful attempt to reverse the burden of proof using special pleading and common logical fallacies like argumentum as ignorantiam.

Why not pick the best piece of evidence you think you can demonstrate for the existence of a deity, as you define it.

Alexis's picture
There are things we cannot

There are things we cannot see by our physical eyes, but its wrong to say that a thing that really exist but cannot be seen by our physical eye do not exist because human is limited to what God have given him. If you will only look to the sky, to the stars, and galaxies, and planet, you will be amazed by how orderly and peacefully our galaxy function, you will see that there is an intelligent mind who created and design all of these, all these things are working in unison, in a united way, not a chaos one, because thats how God is, He is a God of peace. Big and small things, you will see how great God is, by looking at the atoms, you will see how the proton and electron and neutron function, they function orderly, atoms group theirselves to form matters, to form water, to form air, to form earth, to form galaxies and stars and planets, you will see how great God is. God is very wise, powerful, glorious. The heavens and earth declare God's majesty, from the extremely small things to vastful universe, you will see the workmanship of God. God's workmanship declares His glory, Glory to you oh Lord of the heavens and earth! The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork (Psalms 19:1). Believe there is God, a great and powerful God, and you should fear Him

Burn your bible's picture
@alexis

@alexis

I think you need to pick up a book on astrophysics if you think the universe is in perfect harmony.
So let me get this part straight... he is all powerful, amazing, beautiful, he created everything to work together, he loves us and he cares for us, we are created in his image, he gave us the breath of life, oh and you should FEAR THE SHIT OUT OF HIM!!!!!!!

No thanks you can have your fairy tale, you can lie to yourself and say that you are indeed evil and deserve punishment, you can lie to yourself when you look at the sky and say there must be a creator, but when you decide to want to know truth... not absolute truth (nothing in life is absolute) but you want actual observable truth, then we will be able to help you learn to think logically, we can help you learn to be skeptical of claims. Just remember I do not know what god or gods you are talking about, but your post gives justice for every theistic claim.

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Alexis, you wrote, "The

Alexis, you wrote, "The heavens and earth declare God's majesty, from the extremely small things to vastful universe, you will see the workmanship of God."

Extremely small like the loa loa? Or like Ebola virus? Or the funnel web spider?

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Alexis - by looking at the

Alexis - by looking at the atoms, you will see how the proton and electron and neutron function, they function orderly

I don't know exactly what you mean by orderly; but I'd be skeptical of anyone who used that adjective to describe sub-atomic particles.

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@Alexis

@Alexis
What I fear are nuts that don't understand reality. The universe is not peaceful. It is chaotic and violent. Subatomic particles are random and unpredictable, not orderly like you suggest. I don't fear any god, myths or unicorns. You are seeing things that simply are not there and attributing that vision to something that doesn't exist.

Believerbot's picture
This guy you posted is so

@AJ This guy you link in the OP is so damn right... I don't what he says, because it's a 2 hour long lecture, but the topic on the video "I don't have enough faith to be an atheist", totally got me. Atheists claim to have no faith and no god, and then they make sport bets and cry for the Lord during sex.

LostLocke's picture
83 minutes for part 1 of 2?

83 minutes for part 1 of 2?
I have my doubts there's anything in those videos we haven't already heard before.

Burn your bible's picture
Ok I watched it ..... hmmmm

Ok I watched it ..... hmmmm no actual evidence maybe I missed it can you tell me where he shows his proof? I know he really wants to sell his book but where is the proof?

AJ777's picture
Still looking for an honest

Still looking for an honest atheist burny. Lostlocke, be skeptical of your skepticism.

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Still looking for a theist on

Still looking for a theist on this site that doesn't run away every time I ask them a question aj

AJ777's picture
I’ve answered your questions

I’ve answered your questions burny, you just don’t agree with the answers. Do you not have a burden of proof in any of your positions? I don’t believe that you’ve watched the video.

Burn your bible's picture
What question have you

What question have you answered? You tend to just run from them, as far as watching it... I did but his misunderstanding of thermodynamics and time is very sad. Also he shows no proof, he consistently puts up quotes from supposed atheists or agnostics. You do know we do not have a supreme leader right? So let's say Sam Harris tomorrow said god was real... we would not fall to our feet praising him we would then debate him.
And no I do not have the burden of proof theists do! I would have no problem with the answer some god could exist but once you say THIS god exists that's what I reject. Show proof don't just exclaim ignorance in all aspects of life.

AJ777's picture
Burny, which question would

Burny, which question would you like me to attempt to answer.

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How did Adam and Eve die?

How did Adam and Eve die?

Also I will start a new post and I expect you to be the first response...

AJ777's picture
From gotquestions website.

From gotquestions website.

: God commanded Adam not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil: “Of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die” (Genesis 2:17). However, Adam and Eve ate of the tree and lived to tell about it. How can we reconcile God’s warning with their continued existence?

Interpreters typically answer this question in one of two ways. First, many note that Adam and Eve did die, though not immediately. The Hebrew phrase translated “in the day” in Genesis 2:17 is sometimes used to mean “for certain” (e.g., Exodus 10:28; 1 Kings 2:37, 42). So, Adam and Eve “certainly” died; it’s just that their death took place much later (Genesis 5:5). This view is also supported by Genesis 3:22, in which God determines to bar man from the tree of life to prevent him from living forever. Adam and Eve lost eternal life, were expelled from the Garden of Eden, and eventually experienced physical death.

The second way to view the warning of Genesis 2:17 is that “death” refers to spiritual death. When Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden fruit, they experienced a separation from God, a loss of relationship due to their sin. Their first actions after sinning were to cover themselves up and hide from God (Genesis 3:7-8). This alienation from the Source of Life can be viewed as spiritual death.

A third approach understands that both physical and spiritual death were with the result of original sin. The moment Adam and Eve sinned against God, their souls were separated from God, and their bodies began to die. Their spiritual deadness and susceptibility to physical death have been passed on to all humanity (Romans 5:12).

Thinker's picture
and your proof of this book's

and your proof of this book's validity is what? Have you ever been told a tall tale by a friend? So now you believe a book written by people you never knew and years before you existed, yet years after what is purported to be "the fact" and, you want me to believe what YOU say?

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Yay, facts. That's the Bible.

Yay, facts. That's the Bible. The only book Humankind should ever read. It has all the answers, the infallible word of God. Why can we just forget its little tiny contradictions?

https://infidels.org/library/modern/paul_carlson/nt_contradictions.html

AJ777's picture
The traditional explanation

The traditional explanation is an appeal to 2 Peter 3:8: "With the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." None of the pre-flood patriarchs lived more than a thousand years – thus, they all died within one of God's "days."

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So do all christians believe

So do all christians believe that interpretation of the death? Seems nice that when god says you will die we say Nono he meant years later. This is fun so do you believe in witches? Do you believe in giants? Do you believe in mediums?

AJ777's picture
I don’t know what all

I don’t know what all Christians believe. Yes I believe there are evil people, larger than average people, and people that attempt to communicate with the dead. Are you planning on answering the question I posed?

Burn your bible's picture
What question?

What question?

Burn your bible's picture
Also your bullshit answer

Also your bullshit answer larger than average, evil, people that try!!!
No it says these exist it has a word for evil yet says witch,

Your dishonesty when answering (avoiding) questions really makes you difficult to talk to

AJ777's picture
If you are asking do I

If you are asking do I believe the Bible is the inerrant inspired word of God, the answer is yes. If you want to talk specifically about a particular passage we can do that one at a time in detail so we can both better understand the question, material, and meaning of the text.

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So do you believe the bible

So do you believe the bible is to be taken literally?

AJ777's picture
I believe that the Bible is

I believe that the Bible is literally true, but not every truth in the Bible is literal. For example Jesus said he was a door and a vine. I don’t believe he is actually a door or a vine, but like a door and a vine.

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that is not a truth that is

that is not a truth that is an analogy... please give me a literal truth that is not actually literal.

AJ777's picture
Huh, not everything that’s

Huh, not everything that’s true in the Bible is expressed literally

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