There is an older couple who has moved into my condo complex. They are your typical christian conservatives. They have the BIG 4 X 4 that they refuse to park in their own driveway. They take the end parking slots and every couple of nights they have their nightly brainwashing sessions and their company parks all over the place and I cannot get out of my driveway.
He introduced himself to me when he moved in and I was friendly to him at first. During the summer, even though I could see how thoughtless he was and also did not agree with his beliefs I talked to him anyway, and sometimes he would just ignore me when I said hello or nodded my head. I am sure he found out I was an atheist as a few neighbors know about and have stopped talking to the evil one.
So the election was coming up and next to the Fish and the jesus crap all over the tailgate and bumper there are trump stickers all over it. After the Nazi won the election he was very upbeat and started to talk to me again. I informed him politely that I did not want to correspond with him anymore as I do not share his belief, or his bad choice that will affect me. He said okay, that is your choice. I felt relieved. The story does not end there. The very next day he said Hi how are you. I replied by telling him the same thing. He said okay, your choice again.
Now he goes out of his way to just wave and smirk at me, knowing full well how I feel. I want to tell him to fuck off, but part of me keeps saying ignore him.
He is doing his christian thing, turning the other cheek, but also gloating about his happiness that evangelicals with will running the show. I do not associate with these people and if some here cannot understand it, too bad!
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I don't know why it bothers you. He waves. Who cares.
Yes, he's people so I'd give him the courtesy of acknowledging it and you sir are a dick head for thinking yourself superior, which is and has been thecharacter flaw of liberals that ultimately became their undoing. That's what he's smirking at. That, as well as the entertaining first-hand display he gets from the conduct of a fully matured man who visibly squirms simply with a wave of his hand? He owns you, knows it and you are his marionette (that would be a puppet).
By the way, watch the below video of a man who does not have a dog in this race respond to his own liberal stupidity (his words) for the election of Trump as well as the Brexit Referendum results and the Tory party dominance. He easily tells it like it is better than anyone else should know because he has lived it and learned from it. Oh, and I was not wanting Trump either but had Hillary won I'm not sure if I'd feel any differently than I do now. I do not ascribe to party politics as I do not ascribe to theism.
Regarding the christian ceremonial bullshit you mention, yea, annoying. They are as full of themselves with superiority as you are with your own version of a belief system (Democratic Party) so look hard at him next time you see him and tell me you aren't looking in a mirror.
Watch the link if you have a set.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs&feature=player_detailpage
So I am a dick head for not wanting to associate with him? Well you are an asshole! Obviously a mole. Did you miss the part about the parking too? No I do not have to be nice to him and could have gone into more detail about how he goes out of his way to be an annoying idiot like you! I am superior to his way of thinking when it comes to logic and the way the conservatives have put their beliefs into politics. Church people and conservatives are one in the same. This day and age you can judge a book by it's cover, and you asshole can keep you advice.
You cannot run a country on a book of religion. That is how we got to this point!
Calm down with the malicious comments. All you're doing is further proving Pitars assertion that you believe you're superior. Also, not all Christians are conservatives and not all atheists are liberals. I'm appalled you actually think you can group people under certain terms, it is how division starts.
@Seenyab:
"Also, not all Christians are conservatives and not all atheists are liberals."
Very true. I think the Christian = conservative axis is largely an American phenomenon. In other countries, Christians are more likely to be left-leaning, big government, tax-and-spend socialists. I heard some of them preaching straight out of Marx in a political meeting in New Zealand.
I am appalled that there are people here that want to judge me because I do not want to befriend an annoying christian. Pitar is an asshole and started the name calling. Don't preach to me either. You talk like you are superior to me with your comments.
Freedom of speech. Remember that one? I will rant as much as I like. Of course I don't think all atheist are superior, you just proved that.
Yes you can group certain people into groups as evident by the last election. If you do not like my position or thoughts, too bad! I am not going anywhere and will post whatever I want. This is an open forum. The division started when I was attacked for a simple post about any annoying christian neighbor who is gloating over the fact that a Nazi won the election thanks to people like him, along with the help of the church.
The church has involved themselves into politics and if you do not realize that you better step back and do some research.
If an atheist is a conservative, then they are a hypocrite as republicans would be the first to brand them evil.
So Seenyab4 don't talk down to me and think I a going to take it. You sound very arrogant and smug!
https://www.facebook.com/moveon/videos/vl.1225720367451359/1015391183418...
https://www.facebook.com/moveon/videos/vl.1225720367451359/1015391183418...
@thelargerbowl:
I'm sure the church played a big role in Donald Trump's victory, but they couldn't have done it without the help of supercilious, name-calling, self-righteous, over-bearing liberal elitists. Hilary's comment about "deplorables" symbolized that attitude. In fact, I think that was the watershed point in the recent election.
Of course you're free to rant as much as you like. And I'm free to comment on your ranting. Or simply to ignore it. I much prefer reasoning to ranting.
In my opinion, an intolerant atheist is far more hypocritical than a conservative one.
I fail to see any an arrogance in my post but if you were offended, I apologize. I said what I said for your sake, not Pitar's. In any argument when one side resorts to name calling, it makes their position seem less valid. So when you responded the way you did instead of calmly addressing your problems with Pitar's post, I felt as if you may have been misunderstood. Also, no offense, but isn't it a more conservative view to group people up based on only an aspect of what they are. That's the one thing I had a problem with. I also don't think you should have to befriend him, but I do believe there should be a mutual respect between all people. If he doesn't have it, it can start with you.
Neighboriliness should come before politics and religion every time. Your neighbors are the people who'll call the cops when your house is being burgled or shelter you when your house burns down. And there are a lot worse neighbors than Christian Republican Trump supporters. Try people with large loud dogs and stereos, car and bike nuts, deadbeat parents with feral kids.... I'd rather live next to Ned Flanders than Homer Simpson.
I will take the stereo and the dogs. Annoying, yes! Evangelicals, more annoying, especially when you cannot get out of your driveway because they have weekly brainwashing sessions. I did not come here to hear support for points of view that come from a smart ass christian that thinks he owns the whole dam place where I live.
@thelargerbowl:
Nobody here supported your neighbor's christian point of view. I'm just saying that you need a little live and let live in your neighborhood. If the issue is people parking across your driveway or blocking the street, warn your neighbor once and then call the cops. Where I live that's an offense because ambulances and fire trucks can't through. But if you lose your temper, you lose the fight.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/29/1605178/-Televangelist-says-D...
@ thelargerbowl
It seems to me that you live in a place where you simply can't be openly atheist. Not without ending up in situations like your OP describes. I see no way out of your current situation, other than relocation. You should perhaps try flying under the radar a lot more in the future.
Even though Pitar often have some good points, I have a hard time understanding his rude dick comment and Seenyab4's comments are more confusing still. Perhaps there is something at play here that is not said out loud?
Thank you for commenting. I am not looking to start a battle here and get people on my side, however your post was the most logical one I have received.I called them out as closet conservatives. Maybe that is the case, maybe not? The dick head comment was unnecessary to me so I called him an asshole and sunk to his level.
Yes you are correct. I am in a living situation where they know I am an atheist. Perhaps I should have explained further, but I doubt that the two responses from Pitar and Seenyab4 would have been any different as I don't see why I need to befriend someone who went out of his way to ignore me and know that politics have been involved he can smile, as he did his job to get his man into power, which I see as threat to non believers everywhere, the LBGT community, abortion rights, etc.
In closing, today I could not get out of my driveway as I was blocked in again. I asked them to move and they just ignored my requests. Moving is not an option, at least at this point. I do lump christians all together, based on MY experiences with them. Yes I realize generalizing is wrong, but as a non believer, I see that their belief system has created more harm than good.
Sorry if my last post was a bit confusing. I wrote it in a rush, as I don't have much free time anymore between school, clubs, and a job. So allow me to clarify. I would consider myself a little right of center on the political spectrum, but more accurately I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative. My small inclination towards conservatism is probably due to my upbringing. I am FAR from Christian however, I would even go as far to say that I am very anti-theist. Pitar's comment was rude, and I mostly defended him because I saw what I perceived to be the real meaning behind his post, which was live and let live. While I'm not saying you should befriend him, I do believe that if people have their problems they should talk them out with one another to come to a good conclusion. I am deeply sorry for the situation you have been placed in, and hope that you can seek a solution with your neighbor that is suitable for you and him.
Thank you for your apology. I like many have strong opinions and like all of us, we can not all agree on everything. I used to be a christian and am just fed up with hypocrisy and being harassed by the very ones who claim to follow jesus.
"I could not get out of my driveway as I was blocked in again."
I suggest you talk to the cops and get some advice about the legal position. Blocking streets and driveways is a safety issue. Armed with the knowledge that the police will give you about what can and can't be done, approach your neighbor. Ask him to do unto you as he would have done unto himself and to love his neighbor (as Jesus advised). Then explain the legal position and warn him that you will call the cops if it happens again. I'm sure the cops will take it seriously. Parking disputes among neighbors often escalate into shootings, stabbings, etc.
I can tell you from personal experience that fretting about an issue like this can make you ill. I've been through it with piano players, stereo blasters, barking dogs, church bells, and smokers. It's far better to clarify your rights and the legal position, and then take appropriate action.
I am beginning to wish I would not have even posted this subject. I came here to be with like minded people, because I AM alienated from many. I did not want to get into too much detail as I would sound like a whiner or was trying to stir up trouble. But to clarify more, please allow me to explain further. I live alone in a condo with my elderly father. Sister has disowned me because of beliefs. My few friends have not spoken to me since my mother passed. I am plain spoken meaning I have strong opinions on what I value, but do not see myself as rude or blunt, like some people. I have to hear about jesus this and god that all the time, in public, on TV, wherever, so I say to myself that I am a proud atheist and if they don't like it, too bad. They wear it on their sleeve and it is everywhere, so why not me? Well it is not a two way street, as I found out the hard way.
Algebe, you can believe this or not. This is the truth! Swear to god (just kidding). The condo board has singled us out. They do not trim our trees, they do not clear my drive or walkway in the winter, I have mice in the attic, the sidewalk was unsafe for my father, so I went to an attorney as they refused to fix it. They ignored him. I could not keep paying him, so I went to the city. They made them fix it. Great, right? Hold on....I get a knock at the door shortly after from the sheriff who came in and informed me I was harassing the condo board. He placed his hand on his side arm and said, Do we understand each other, you will never bother them again. I argued my point, he didn't want to hear it. That said, I do not call the police for anything here, ever.
So, thank you to all who have replied with the exception of Pitar. I try to keep a low profile anymore, but when you have to leave your residence you run into this.The annoying christian let's everyone know he is a christian, but loves to push my buttons and smirks like I got you atheist!
Sometimes,It just is what it is.
That's an awful situation you're in Largerbowl. I'm not a lawyer, but it sounds like the condo board and the sheriff are violatng your civil rights for religious reasons. I've got my own history with a condo board. We ended up getting forced out of a place that we loved, though by smokers rather than god-botherers.
I'm lucky enough to have spent most of my life in countries where Christians are dwindling in numbers and power, even though our head of state is Queen Elizabeth II defender of the faith by the grace of god. So you have my sympathy.
thelarger bowl - my heart goes out to you and I really understand how you feel. Its not easy to get the law involved because then its all out war. It would have been better if you had not been forced to do that but it sounds like that's what happened. And the sheriff - that sounds like an outright threat.
Can you move? You shouldn't have to but I don't see anything else you can do.
I too am an outcast in my family for my liberal/atheist beliefs. I don't like them much and was very abused as a child so its not great loss to me. I guess I've always been alone, except for my spouse so I'm used to it. OTOH, I don't have an aging parent to take care of. You're in a rough spot and its the kind of thing christians can, and often do, make a lot worse.
LargerBowl, Calm down. You have the power to change all of the unpleasantness around you.
All you have to do is put a smile on your face and stop aggressively treating the theists as your enemies. You can be a grouchy Atheist or you can be a cheerful Atheist. Guess which one is going to alienate people and which one is going to gather friends and cooperation. Good luck.
I had a neighbor that was always asking me to come to his home church meetings. Nice guy but an unrelenting door to door salesman for Jesus. After about 2 years of this crap I noticed a woman other than his wife coming and going at all hours. Driving his car. I wondered if he and his wife were divorced or she had died. One day I got a close look at her when out walking my dog. Praise Jesus! She was him. So now Mr Holy Roller is a cross dresser. He must have noticed the look on my face and later came knocking on my door. He was insinuating that I had something against his lifestyle. I stopped him in mid sentence. I explained that I have nothing against his dress code but a little perturbed about his judgemental pentecostal preachings I tolerated for so long. I had to tell him that his female persona was welcome to come knocking but Mr Holy Man would have to wait outside. He never came around again.
The Larger Bowl - you must live on the other side of my neighbors. Like yours', mine are ultra conservative, had trump signs in their yard and very religious. She goes to mass every single morning, which is about 60+ mile drive round trip. No matter when you go into their house, she has some real thumper type show on TV and the coffee table is covered with religious books, tracts and videos.
They fight viciously and we have seen her with black eyes and such. Its a big house and her bedroom is upstairs while he sleeps in a weird little closet in the basement.
They let their dog run loose and then get upset because she gets into our compost pile, but that's after they say she never leaves their yard. The dog barks continuously, day and night. We also have a dog but feel strongly that we don't have the right to force our dog on others so we put in a fence.
They're drunks. They start drinking straight vodka early in the day - earliest I've actually seen was about 9-10am and they just keep drinking on into the night. They wreck their car(s) fairly often and but its never their fault that the breath-a-lizer was rigged against them.
The worst is that he's just plain dumb. He has started two fires to burn his leaves but have gotten out of his control and damaged our property.
At first, we tried having dinners together but that was just awful. We have almost nothing to do with them but they are our only neighbors for miles and miles so we watch each others homes when we each travel. The easiest thing to do is stay away from them. They are not good people, not nice people, racist, hate just about everyone except old white people, which we are! but we're also vegetarian, and very proud to be liberal and would gladly vote for Obama again.
Bottom line for us is that it could be worse. We're out in the middle of nowhere and hate to think of who could move into that house when they kick off. I would say you have a choice - move or learn to live with him next door.
I suggest you drive him nuts by waving, smiling, hollering "how are you?" type stuff and give him a christmas gift.
Oh yeah - Last Halloween, she brought us a gift wrapped roll of toilet paper. No joke. She really did. I wandered around with my mouth hanging open for a week before I found out that its considered some sort of decorating fad. Then com xmas, another gift wrapped roll of tp. She uses fabric of the season and its supposed to sit out on your side table or something. Beyond mere tacky. Last year, it was a roll of tp EMBROIDERED!!
We always give them a loaf of homemade bread, a bottled of home made mead - that sort of thing. I'm tempted to give them toilet paper this year but won't.
Sorry for the long rant - especially for my first post here.
Well thank you to all who have commented. I appreciate the kind words and concern. Yes my civil rights were violated and I do feel like I live in a loony bin. As far as the police go, they must know someone on the board ad they drove by and parked out front last week and just sat there staring. I opened the door and pointed to the security camera I installed off the front porch and they drove away.
I am not a person who is intimidated usually, but as we know cops can kill innocent people and walk away, so I have no choice in that matter. If they come a knocking on my door again, I will not answer it.
As far as my annoying christian neighbor, I decided to have selective hearing whenever he is around.
Hey Bowl, if you're still around, and fwiw: I'm with you, and anyone else who is willing to call idiots idiots.
Some people just really do need to get kicked around 10 long blocks. Justice is not being served in your situation. You are being wronged. It isn't fair.
I have been backed into a corner in my own present neighborhood situation and I know that smiling and making nice just doesn't cut it. Asking, pleading, bargaining, writing letters, engaging the police and the local health department all produced limited results. Some people are just nasty, for what ever reason, and some others of us, through no fault of our own, get shat on, even though *we really are nice folks*!
I will say this, however. When outward actions seem to have no effect, one might come to the conclusion that an inner adjustment of some sort is necessary. I hate it, but my neighborhood bully is not going to change or move. It's hard to accept that, when I really really really would like to punch him.
There are other opinions I'd like to express but they'd probably get me "disapproved of" or banned.
Here's hoping the people around you start acting like decent human beings.
@ the larger bowl.
I can relate. I have mormons on my culdesac. They have "get togethers" every week. They are very inconsiderate and park everywhere. That is par for the course. One of my more Trump enthusiast neighbors has a bass boat that he parks in front of MY house. He has 5 cars even though there are only 2 drivers in his house. He's an asshole. All christians are assholes, holier than thou hypocrites. When someone greets me that I don't want to converse with, I ignore them. This totally frustrates them. I made one such individual so mad that they actually struck me.....big mistake! I twisted his arm and put him on the ground and called the police. He was fined $500.00 dollars for assault and was scolded by the judge. Most of my neighbors and I get along. The one's that don't leave me alone. They know I will kick their proverbial butt and call the police at the drop of a hat. My best neighbors are muslim. My dog and theirs have a play date every day. I have gone to their mosque to stand guard to protect it from christian morons over the last couple of years. Of all the religions, christians are by far the worst. I fucking can't stand them.
Hey, both my parents are christians, and they are not assholes.
My bible thumping neighbor just got into a bar fight with an atheist. I noticed he had two black eyes this weekend as he was loading his family up for church. (Not making this up)
He told me that he couldn't handle it when this atheist fellow he knows claimed that "if there was a god, he would feed all of these starving people." Apparently it escalated from there. I do get a laugh out of these guys that think their God needs them to stand up for him. I suppose the God of the bible is essentially a model of insecurity.
It was kind of nice, I took the opportunity to let him know that I'm an atheist as well. I was totally respectful and everything. Oddly, he's the first one outside of my wife that I have come out to about this. He 's one of these guys that always has to let you know that he'll always let you know what he thinks about everything. Hopefully that made sense. He's also racist as hell, and that can be a bit tiresome when you have two daughters that are half black, or if you just aren't a racist moron.
all christians ARE racist no matter what they say.
Yes and all atheists suck eggs for breakfast,
Oh what's that? Its wrong to put people in a basket? Who would have thought.
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