Worth dying for?

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hogwartswizard's picture
Worth dying for?

What/Who would u die for? (sure death not just risk)
how much do you actually value your life what is there anything that would be more precious to trade it for?
the reason i am asking this question here is that when i were muslim I looked to that question from a whole different prespective compared to how i look at it now!
it was easy...anything that makes me go to heaven i'd die for so that i can reach that great place faster and have a guaranteed ticket...but now as i understand we only have one life..why would i sacrifice it for anyone or any cause or even country if i were sure to die?!

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Godlessandfree's picture
i would die for my children,

i would die for my children, my close loved ones. If I knew for a fact that my death would grant them a better and more fulfilling life, I'd do it. I mean I do think about myself sometimes too. But if there was a gun pointed to my head and it was a choice of whether I die or my children or significant other dies, I;d take that bullet in a heartbeat. The only sad thing that could be seen as selfish is that now my significant other would be alone and my children would be less a parent. If it was for the good of the future, for a better world, I'd sacrifcice my life so such.

What would you die for?

Godlessandfree's picture
*I

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*sacrifice
Sorry for the typos!

mykcob4's picture
I served my nation in the

I served my nation in the USMC for 22 years. In that since I would have died for my country and fellow Marines. Now I would die for my dog and family members, but actually I would die to protect anyone from injustice or violence. It's just my nature.

chimp3's picture
I believe in self defense ,

I believe in self defense , not self sacrifice. If I died defending my family , death was not my personal goal. mykcob4 - I believe that is similar to the Marines attitude ? Make the other bastard die and you get to go home?

hogwartswizard's picture
This is how I think of it too

@chimp3
This is how I think of it too, It's always risk vs reward. So in such cases, the risk is probably worth it even if it is high because the reward is higher.
But, if it's a sure death situation this is different because practically your reward is always 0 as you die anyway!
Maybe that's because I am just 17 , because all the real family I have is my father or because 80% of my country would want me dead &18% would let me live but avoid me because i am atheist; but at the moment I wouldn't sacrifice my life for ANYONE!

mykcob4's picture
Taking risk is a hard

Taking risk is a hard decision. When it involves one's own life it isn't an actual decision at all. Most times risking one's life is a reaction. There usually no time to weigh the risks involved. People naturally act in situations. When trained to always fight rather than flight becomes second nature. So even asking "would you risk your life" isn't practical. Most people don't know before it happens. Some people act, some run, most just freeze.

watchman's picture
"Most people don't know

"Most people don't know before it happens. Some people act, some run, most just freeze."

Pretty much agree mykcob ....... and of course there are many different types of courage ...... but they all seem to me to have one thing in common.......

Doing what needs to be done...regardless....because it needs to be done ..... and you are there when it needs to be done........and you know how to do it.

For me the guys at Chernobyl demonstrate some of the best (and worst) in Man.......

Checkout the Wiki list of deaths.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_due_to_the_Chernobyl_disaster

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_involvement_in_the_Chernobyl_di...

Aleksandr Lelechenko, & Vladimir Pravik in particular deserve a look...but there were many heroes there that day....

Lemna Minor's picture
Hey, Sherif! you're still

Hey, Sherif! you're still about - glad to see you - I answered a post of your's way back, and got rather worried, when you turned silent, all of a sudden..

Yes, when one believes in heaven - sometimes I couldn't wait to die and meet god. I thought, I would understand everything about the universe, once dead and in the great beyond..
Different now.
When the first issues cropped up in Europe, with people killed and threatened for (quite astute, not primitive) caricatures about radical islam - I was ready to go, fight, stand up and die for my values of free thought, artisticv freedom, freedom to be critical, and reason.
I thought, everyone would get up and defend free speech, truth, modernity.
But nobody did.
I live in Germany and I'm rather shocked about the reluctance to fight for the values of individual rights, enlightened, modern education, free speech and criticism of myths.
I want to try and stop the radicals and fundamentalists to get the upper hand for good - and when I think of making videos, or go political, etc, and actually speak out, try to spark a proper debate, or even just blog - I hesitate, because I feel I'm not ready to die or have acid thrown in my face and such stuff.
Of course, people might just ignore me - but there are so many radicals about.
So I sometimes think, I will get involved, but at the moment I am still not sure, exactly, how.
Perhaps for another year or two, I will do my art & record some songs - so I leave something behind, and feel like my life wasn't wasted - while developing my projects and ideas - and then become an "activist" or something - and if a radical takes umbridge and kills me, it's sort of okay. Though I'd try to be clever, of course, and would like to live longer..
I sometimes think, I am mad - but then, I can't let my beautiful world of humanism, free thought, beauty and reason, individual worth slide into a barbaric dark age without fighting.
I'm not sure.
If things continue, I can't live in Europe much longer without going mad. Everybody thinks, nothing is wrong - there are just a few girls with hijab, and they are cute and all harmless.
But religion has deep roots in the human makeup - it works to well, to go away by itself.
Hitler was gone after ten years, Commuism was dead in less than a century.
But to slough off religion . and get to a state of reason, moderation by thought, rather than cultural pressure - that took - you know, ages, and if religion comes back - it might be here to stay - I'm not sure if mankind has enough time left, until the fundamentalists and their huge families realize, we have limited resources, and ought to solve our current/future food, water, health energy, land etc. problems - instead of overpopulating in the name of god and allah, and leaving coming generations to fight over the last soy bean or tuna fish..
Also, I am disgusted by people promoting lies - I don't want the world to become a massive Pakistan-after.it-failed..
I think, that's well worth fighting for, and perhaps even dying for without regrets, if need be.

p.S. 100 % sure death - perhaps in a situation, where I can directly save others - if I have the courage - I might just be a coward, though, and hide under the table..
Otherwise one needs to make sure, that the cause is not only worthy, but has a good chance of success, too. If there is no chance of survival - not sure, if I would.
It's difficult.
Take care of yourself! Don't die for anyone just now!

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