You Are All Going To Hell

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You Are All Going To Hell

Yes it’s true. Every last one of us is going to hell, and it doesn't matter if you are a Christian, Jew, Muslim, Atheist, or if you belong to any faith at all.

Hell will be our final resting place.

So what the hell is “Hell” anyways? According to both Christian and Muslim resources, Hell can be described as a place of eternal damnation where sinners are tortured in an eternal fire for all of eternity.

The Christians arrive at their concept of Hell according to their literal interpretation of the Book of Revelation in the Holy Bible. They arrive at this conclusion based upon a few specific scriptures which seem to identify a place of eternal torture as Hell.

However, most Christians are actually very uneducated in regards to ancient scriptures and ancient forms of writing. The serious student of ancient scripture will recognize the Book of Revelation as a Gnostic writing, with all the typical connotations of that genre. During the time of Christ, and for centuries afterwards, the Gnostic Christians produced hundreds of writings very similar in writing style to the Book of Revelation.

The religion of the Gnostics was known as gnosis which means “knowledge.” Their writing style was exceptionally appealing to the mind, as they used a stunning method of graphical expression with words. Ripe with allegorical and figurative descriptions, the Gnostics carved out a path for themselves in the ancient religious monochrome of ancient Israel and the Roman-Greco Empire of the 1st to the 4th centuries A.D.

For those of you interested in learning and understand more regarding the Gnostics and their writings, you may wish to view their works within the ancient codices known as The Nag Hammadi Library, which can be viewed online here --> http://gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html

Yet, was it really the fault of the Gnostics whereas modern Christian literalists managed to interpret Hell as a place of eternal damnation in a fiery grave? Also, is it the fault of the ancient Christian literalists from whom Muhammad borrowed the concept of a fiery eternal damnation known as Hell in which he has now terrorized hundreds of millions of Muslims for 1400 years with his Quran?

Well, let’s take a look at the origins of Hell and find out for ourselves.

According to the King James Version of the Holy Bible, the earliest reference to Hell is given in Deuteronomy 32.22. The word which was translated from the Hebrew to the Greek, and then onto the English was sheh-ole, and it carries the meaning as such: “world of the dead; a subterranean retreat, including its accessories and inmates:--grave, pit.”

In the King James Bible, the Old Testament term sheol is translated as hell 31 times. However Sheol was also translated as "grave" 31 times. Sheol is also translated as "pit" three times. The KJV translates Hades as Hell 10 times, and as grave once. Hades is traditionally the Greek word used to mean sheol.

Therefore, according to the oldest reference to Hell, all it means is that it is the grave or a pit for the dead. The description of Hell here is that it is but a prison for those whom have passed away. It is never described as a place of eternal damnation where sinners are subjected to torture forever.

Even in the Gospels, Jesus is not recorded as ever saying that Hell was a fiery place of eternal torture and damnation. However, he does make indeed make statements in relation to hell and fire in Mat 5.22, Mat 18.9, and Mark 9.43 etc. But what did he mean by those statements? Let’s investigate …

In the Gospels the word Hell comes from the word of Ghenna, pronounced gheh'-en-nah of Hebrew origin; valley of the son of Hinnom; ge-henna, or Ge-Hinnom, a valley of Jerusalem, used figuratively as a name for the place or state of everlasting punishment.

You’ll be interested to learn that we already know where this place is, and it is not an ethereal place where Satan dwells, but actually the Jerusalem city dump. The actual place referred to is Hinnom, a deep, narrow ravine separating Mount Zion from the so-called "Hill of Evil Counsel" to the southwest of Jerusalem .

Hinnom is first mentioned in Joshua 15:8: “And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the Jebusite; the same is Jerusalem: and the border went up to the top of the mountain that lies before the valley of Hinnom westward, which is at the end of the valley of the giants northward.”

It was formerly the place where the idolatrous Jews burned their children alive as a sacrifice to Moloch and Baal. A particular part of the valley was called Tophet, the "fire-stove" or furnace, where the children were burned. After the Exile, in order to show their abhorrence of the locality, the Jews made this valley the receptacle of the refuse of the city. As with refuse, in those times it was burned to keep down vermin, the obvious offensive odors, to maximize space, and a fire was kept constantly burning there.

Excavations carried out at this site from 1975 to 1980 by an archaeological mission turned up remains of nine burial caves around the ravine. In earlier excavations of the actual dump, it was found that the fire was still smoldering after centuries.

So now that we have nailed down the history of the Christian concept of Hell, how far would it be to make a jump to the Muslim concept, which is almost identical? Actually, we don’t need to go too far at all.

It is without doubt that Muhammad borrowed much from the Torah and Gospels when he constructed his Quran. Although most Muslims like to deny it, the fact of the matter is there is evidence in existence that Muhammad was influenced by both Jews and Christians during his time. One such Christian is spoken about in the Hadith. His name was Waraqa bin Naufal. There are two very interesting Hadiths regarding this man:

Narrated 'Aisha: Volume 4, Book 55, Number 605: Sahih Al-Bukhari

“The Prophet returned to Khadija while his heart was beating rapidly. She took him to Waraqa bin Naufal who was a Christian convert and used to read the Gospel in Arabic …”

As you can see above, Waraqa bin Naufal used to read the Gospel in Arabic. How did he get a gospel in Arabic? That is answered in another Hadith:

Narrated 'Aisha: Volume 1, Book 1, Number 3: Sahih Al-Bukhari

Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write.

So here we have Waraqa bin Naufal with a Gospel written in Hebrew, and who used to write from this Gospel, and then we suddenly have him reading from a gospel written in Arabic? Was there an Arabic gospel floating around in the time and place of Muhammad back in those days? Apparently, there was.

One such possible Gospel was known as The Arabic Infancy Gospel. Upon reading this gospel we find two outstanding similarities to certain verses within the Quran. Both the Arabic Infancy Gospel and the Quran have Jesus speaking as a baby, and also have Jesus making birds of clay, and then instructing them to fly. Modern scholars agree that the dating of this gospel was sometime in the mid to late 6th century, right around the time of Muhammad.

According to the analysis of textual criticism, the text was originally written in Syriac, a dialect of Aramaic which itself was based upon the Hebrew alphabet. The text became translated into Arabic, probably around the time that Christianity began to spread into the Arabian Peninsula. The narrative of the Arabic Infancy Gospel, particularly the second part concerning the miracles in Egypt , can also be found in the Quran. According to some critical scholarship, its presence in the Quran may be due to the influence the Gospel had amongst the Arabs.

More information on this gospel can be found here ----> http://www.gnosis.org/library/infarab.htm

So now we have a link between specific verses in the Quran and specific verses from a gospel which was accessible to Muhammad during his time. This tells us clearly that Muhammad was indeed influenced by Christian theology in Arabia during his time, especially when the Hadith clearly shows an Arabic gospel within his very grasp.

My English version of the Quran mentions hell almost 100 times. Due to its graphical description of Hell, the Quran repeatedly characterizes Hell as a fiery place of eternal torture and damnation. This Quranic description of Hell is almost identical to the orally propagated beliefs of the early century Christians whose descendants have continued this tradition into the modern age, along with Islam.

Yet, this description of Hell as a place of eternal torture just doesn't jibe with the actual history of what Hell really is. Because of this, we find billions of Christians and Muslims being subdued and controlled by a man-made myth for almost 2000 years.

The real Hell is not some fiery place of eternal torture and damnation. We could even say that the real Hell is not even the grave. But damn few of us can say that when we look at all the hatred, wars, killing, and other tragedies befalling the human race today that Hell does not exist, for it certainly does exist and it's not just a mass pit for the dead.

Hell exists, and it has been running rampant upon the face of the earth for far too long. You can see it in the eyes of the suicide bomber, airplane hijackers, and through the actions of those who behead the innocent in the name of Allah. You can see it through the actions of the Christian Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the David Koresh's, and the Jim Jones'.

But you never see it in the eyes of an atheist.

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Schibaka's picture
No im not gona go to hell man

No im not gona go to hell man, why the fuck would i go to hell man? ShiiiiieEEEET niggas running around being scared of Yahweh and lucifer LOl : P

Schibaka's picture
The only reall God is Zeus,

The only reall God is Zeus, he appeared in my dream and asked me to spread this knowledge onto humanity.
He is my father, and he is also yours

Freee's picture
I see this forum is lacking

I see this forum is lacking in both moderation and maturity. Time to move on and take my views to another website.

Zaphod's picture
Pathway Machine had a great

I found what you posted here to be interesting, Pathway Machine had a great thread he started on this subject but since your moving on and dismissed our forum as both immature and needing more moderation after seeing responses from just one person who just happened to be joking around, I guess I don't feel like unhelling it for you.

Esteban3304's picture
Well, I don't believe in

Well, I don't believe in heaven or hell. These places, as described in the Bible, are clearly non-existent in the real world in which I reside. I don't believe in an afterlife. It seems that various religions' concepts of the soul were developed before science introduced us to brain function. Brain function is responsible for all those "mysterious" properties that humans have which separate us from the rest of the members of the animal kingdom. If there is a god, then I am sure it has better things to do than count all the sins that each human commits. If there is a god, and it truly cares about me, and has actually created a hell in which I will someday reside due to my lack of belief, it seems to me, that this god would do a better job of communicating with me. So, again, I must reiterate that I have done some serious thinking about all these issues, including the possibility that there is a god, and what it might want of me or offer to me. To me, gods are just fictitious musings of people who did not have the advantages that science brings to us, or who fear death to the extent that they cannot think logically about the proposition of an existent god which has a heaven or hell of some kind in store for us.

Zaphod's picture
If there is a hell, I will

If there is a hell, I will see you there!

Zaphod's picture
"There is no hell!" --- The

"There is no hell!" --- The Devil

Fernando Monsalve García's picture
I doubt anyone read the whole

I doubt anyone read the whole post. I think the man was trying to say that we live in hell thanks to theists. I can't be sure tho, since I skimmed it. :P

DamnTired's picture
Of course we are all going to

Of course we are all going to hell. Wake up man, we're already there.

Sancho Panza's picture
Read the original post more

Read the original post more carefully. The TRANSLATORS did it! Ancient Judaism had no concept of heaven or hell. By the time of Christ there was debate about whether or not there was an afterlife. The Old Testament references meant pit or grave, which was mis-translated into greek as sheol, the greek concept of a shadowy watery Underworld which was approached by crossing the river Styx; NOT a Hebrew tradition! In the book of Mathew Jesus refrers to Gehenna, the town dump, as follows: If a man does (this that or the other) he is broken (and therefore useless) and good for nothing but to be thrown away into the dump! Hell as a formal concept is indeed related to the Gnostics, and its interpretations to the Persian religions (Zorastrian) depicting the battles between Good and Evil.

We make our own heaven, and our own hell. Here. Now.

Lmale's picture
Well said sancho shame the op

Well said sancho shame the op left after just one comment wonder if he had a plan that required serious responses he could steer to other things he wanted to say.

Danny Craft's picture
Yea what's that all about,

Yea what's that all about, judging an entire forum because of one guys opinion! How childish

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