Of what benefit is "fox and grapes" strategy in denying

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Samana Johann's picture
Of what benefit is "fox and grapes" strategy in denying

Does it inspire to effort for gain, holding on and increasing better and more skilful ways? Does it inspire to effort for avoiding, abounding and reducing worse and unskilful ways? Has a "fox" ever met more and longer lasting happiness in denying that it exists?

The Fox and the Grapes

How could a believer be convinced if not willing to let go of what is "known" by him? No hope for "believers/denyers" at all?

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Sapporo's picture
It is beneficial to consider

It is beneficial to consider only explanations that are possible.

Samana Johann's picture
That's foxy as well, as a

That's foxy as well, as a German proverb says: "What ever the husband/farmer does not know, he wouldn't tast". If aging, sickness, death, lose, being united with what is disliked, seperated of what is liked is fine for one and no abounding of what is subject of decay can be afforded, no will of letting go of hopes and believes, then on may go for it,yet a matter of courage to say my hands are to short, leaving ways for those capable possible open and encouraged to go after beyond ones small destiny of no traced escape.

ShaMan's picture
Blinded by the light.

Blinded by the light.
"If you can't state your case simply, then you don't know enough." Albert Einstein (How's my German?)

Sapporo's picture
Can you tell me what benefit

Can you tell me what benefit there is in considering explanations that are impossible?

Samana Johann's picture
Neither would a believer know

Neither would a believer know if an explaination, a way, is valid and leads to an aim, or know if an explaination, a way, is invalid does not lead to certain aim, if he does not go beyond just believing and putting into actions sees for himself.

So what does a believer, say an Atheist, actually know? Nothing but believe and go after what others, not having arrived anywhere stabil, suggest. Dwelling in in-activity being swept away by moods and hopelessness, holding on tiny things appearing once here, once there, in the mass of the flood of sensuality and thoughts.

Sapporo's picture
If something is false, it is

If something is false, it is of no benefit.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Samana

@ Samana

Wisdom is the richness of sharing, and of us. The goal of bio-electricity is to plant the seeds of faith rather than desire. This life is nothing short of an ennobling source of intergalactic freedom.

I am so with you bro....

xenoview's picture
Samana

Samana
Do you think because I'm an Atheist that I don't have happiness in my life? I have been an Atheist for about 5 years, and it has been the happiness year's of my life. I live free of the guilt of sin and the fear of Hell.

Cognostic's picture
RE: YODA @ Was there

RE: YODA @ Was there supposed to be something in that post to spur a conversation? The only question I saw was "How could a believer be convinced if not willing to let go of what is "known" by him? No hope for "believers/denyers" at all?

I assume you are referring to being convinced of something contrary to what is currently being held as true. So how is a believer convinced of something contrary to that belief? I think it is true that one must drop currently held beliefs to adopt a new belief when those believes are polar opposites.

Most beliefs are not polar opposites. A belief in the literal biblical god will transition to a more liberal view of an all loving god, and then to an amorphous beyond time and space god, then to a pantheist god, and possibly to Atheism.

Belief is rarely 100% Nothing needs to be dropped or eliminated to believe something else. Only the most conservative of Christians have the faith to watch their children die, eschew science, refuse to go to the hospital and trust that their God's way is the best. Most people make concessions, a little at a time, and modify their beliefs as they go along in life.

Tin-Man's picture
Re: OP

Re: OP

*snapping fingers repeatedly*.... Yeah, man. Groovy... *snap-snap-snap*.... Far out, dude.... *snap-snap-snap*.... Like, that's some really heavy shit, bro. I'm diggin' it.... *snap-snap-snap*.... *head back,,eyes closed, lolling head slowly side-to-side*... Groooooooovy, dude.....

Randomhero1982's picture
Farrrrrr ouuuut!!!!

Farrrrrr ouuuut!!!!

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