Conscious brain causes higher entropy compared to unconscious brain

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I'll continue about this

I'll continue about this particular crackpot:

ProgrammingGodJordan - Humans reasonably maximize entropy, by doing cognitive tasks.

This statement represent a new level of bait and switch. The OP tells us that humans doing cognitive tasks increases entropy. Well duh. ALL MACROSCOPIC systems are extremely likely to increase entropy. This is why he keeps linking to reputable sources saying that. However his claim depends on humans maximizing entropy. Human don't maximize entropy. They don't "reasonably" or approximately maximize it. In fact, human are on the opposite end of the spectrum.

You might be asking yourself, what would it even mean to maximize entropy? If you have, you are on the right track. Entropy is hidden information. The way you maximize entropy is to cram as much information into a region as possible. There is a type of object in nature that does this: an object undergoing gravitational collapse into a black hole. In other words, to maximize the entropy of a region with surface area A, you need an object that is collapsing into a black hole with surface area A. Humans clearly do not maximize entropy. Anyone who tells you they do, is a snake oil salesman.

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Nyarlathotep said:

Nyarlathotep said:

This statement represent a new level of bait and switch. The OP tells us that humans doing cognitive tasks increases entropy. Well duh. ALL MACROSCOPIC systems are extremely likely to increase entropy. This is why he keeps linking to reputable sources saying that. However his claim depends on humans maximizing entropy. Human don't maximize entropy. They don't "reasonably" or approximately maximize it. In fact, human are on the opposite end of the spectrum.

You might be asking yourself, what would it even mean to maximize entropy? If you have, you are on the right track. Entropy is hidden information. The way you maximize entropy is to cram as much information into a region as possible. There is a type of object in nature that does this: an object undergoing gravitational collapse into a black hole. In other words, to maximize the entropy of a region with surface area A, you need an object that is collapsing into a black hole with surface area A. Humans clearly do not maximize entropy. Anyone who tells you they do, is a snake oil salesman.

It can be said that your criticism above is "not even wrong"!

A.) Your response above is quite embarrassing, for yourself.

B.) It looks like you have no actual objection to the OP after all, given the irrelevant response of yours above.

1. As Alex Wissner gross underlines as well as the OP, intelligent things are reasonably ways nature uses to maximize entropy. (Not the only ways.)

2. Reference: "Causal Entropic Forces", by Alex Wissner Gross.

3. My hypothesis underlines several times, that humans are merely one way where entropy is maximized. (I even heavily underlined a separate thing from humans, i.e. AGI that are reasonably additional ways of maximizing entropy beyond humans.) In other words, my hypothesis did not say humans are the only way of maximising entropy production. So your criticism is misplaced/irrelevant.

4. I also detect that your error is that you feel entropy maximization must occur merely in one place, which is false, just because it occurs elsewhere, does not necessitate that it can't occur in humans. (You seem confused about that fact, although you ironically mentioned that "all macroscopic things are likely to increase entropy", which should've additionally clued you in that humans aren't the only ways to maximize entropy.)

5.) Reference: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_maximization

6.) Given your errors above, what did you mean by "humans are the opposite end of the spectrum "? Does this mean cheetahs or rocks generate more entropy than humans? Or are you simply comfortable talking nonsense?

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