Hi guys. My name is Bee and I'm new here.
I was wondering... I plan on debating FOR God and Jesus. My goal here is to convert people to Christianity. Is that okay to debate for? Or am I in the wrong place?
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Hi, welcome! Yes this is the right place. Just please bring something new to the table. We get a ton of people who say the same arguments over and over again.
Hi Bee
Your bone structure is stunning:) Welcome and why do you want to convert people to christianity?
Hi you two.
Jamie, I'm simply following what God wants me to do. A part of my purpose in life is to bring people to Jesus Christ, so that many will be saved.
I have a path to Him that I can teach others to follow. I have a personal relationship with Him. I am a living testimony of His grace.
"I have a path to..."
Is it a narrow road and with a small gate? I've traveled down the path to righteousness before and it led me here:)
@ JamieB.
I have a path too. I traveled down it and it was dark and narrow. The path was long and I was eager to reach its end. I didn't stray from the path I journeyed forward till at last, I made it....to the bathroom.
Mykcob4
You should get a nightlight and you shouldn't rush my dear friend. Glad you made it otherwise your path, well you know....
Hi Charlie.
Because I can't just walk the streets and start preaching. That would be weird. lol.
And I love a good challenge. I love debates, and this is a debate forum.
Hi Zombocalypse.
Let me give you a few pointers and some information.
1) Information:
Most people here were at one-time christian. Most know far more about the bible and christianity than you and high-level biblical experts.
2) Pointers:
Quoting the bible is never a good thing as the bible isn't a good reference for REAL facts. The people here rely on REAL facts, not personal testimony, not hearsay, not intelligent design arguments, but REAL facts. That means data that is verifiable, confirmed, peer-reviewed, substantiated, well documented, and TRUE. Saying something is a miracle isn't good because just because something that cannot be explained doesn't mean a god did it. Dismissing evolution as a theory isn't good because it is proven fact that is confirmed.
This doesn't leave you much room to operate. All you have to do is prove beyond any doubt with empirical evidence that there is a god.
You are welcome to try, but it has never been done and you won't do it either.
You won't win any converts because the people here are not that stupid.
Now for my question to you. What the hell do you get out of it. It doesn't help you with your faith (win you any points with your god). Your church won't get any more money as the people here won't join your church even if you ARE successful(which you will not be).
But if you really want to debate and have your proverbial ass handed to you go for it. You're bound to have your ego deflated big time!
Oh, and you'd better have thick skin, I mean REALLY thick. I take no prisoners and I don't suffer fools.
My advice to you is that if you stay here just watch read and learn. Your eyes may open and you might just learn that you have been following a myth your whole life!
mykcob4
Thank you for the pointers.
I have a strategy in mind. :)
There's a chance it'll work. If not, I'm willing to be a laughing stock for stupidity.
@Zombocalypse
Laughing stock? That isn't what we do here or rather it isn't our intention, I should say mine (I don't actually speak for anyone else).
You can be a laughing stock if you start acting like an idiot. Things like ignoring questions, just giving bible verses for answers to questions, ignoring facts. Habitual practice of that sort will possibly get people to mock you and or laugh at you. Most likely though you will get rebuked for that kind of behavior. Now if you ask well thought out questions you will get very good answers, albeit, you won't convert anyone.
You said previously on this thread that you are doing god's will by coming here and trying to convert people.
1) Can you prove your god? And if so, do.
2) How do you know for sure it is his will? And prove that it is.
Hello, Bee. Feel free to jump in. You will encounter a number of different conversation styles here so if you like to debate, you will find lots of opportunities to do so at AR.
Welcome Zombocalypse. You should leave now. Your faith will be tried, tested and broken here.
How come Christian evangelists like Ted Haggard, Creflo Dollar, Ray Comfort (Banana Man) and yourself all have such great big beautiful teeth?
Do you think we should judge Jesus by the quality of the people he chooses to preach about him?
Zombocalypse,
If you don't know what the real Ten Commandments are, how many times Moses went up and down the mountain with the stone tablets in his arms, when "Jesus" got the name "Jesus", who the first Protestant was, and when the Protestant Bible was reduced to 66 books, and who started your particular denomination you might want to hold off on preaching. What's the correct sequence of creation regarding Eve, animals, Adam, and plants?
Diotrephes
I think the animals were created first. And then Adam was formed from the dust of the ground and was given God's breath, which we now call the "spirit". And then God put Adam to sleep and surgically removed a part of his ribs. That piece of rib became Eve.
Am I correct?
Zombocalypse,
Sorry but you are wrong. In the Adam story Adam was a golem. He was then placed in the Garden (between Assyria, Ethiopia, Arabia, and Persia) with the newly created plants. At this time Adam was basically a solitary farmer. So since Adam was all alone the God character created all of the animals to keep Adam company but none of them was suitable for his mate. Then the God character knocked Adam out and stole one of his ribs and created Eve.
Genesis 2:4-25 = https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=genesis2:4-25&version=CEB;M...
Do you want to try the other questions?
No thank you...
Nevertheless, I'll give this whole thing a shot.
Zombocalypse,
Don't be shy. Those things are basic information about the Bible. If you don't know the answers how will you ever be able to convert a person who asks you those questions?
So start with the easiest one. Which denomination are you a member of?
I used to go to an Assemblies of God church.
But right now, I'm a solitary Christian.
Zombocalypse,
So that faith healing, visions, and praying regime didn't work out for you?
Guys, God didn't even know how it really went down. Both your stories could be a really cool movie though:)
GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.
GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.
GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.
GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.
GE 1:26 Man is to have dominion over fish, birds, cattle, and all wild animals, yet--
GE 2:15-17 It is wrong to be able to tell good from evil, right from wrong.
GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.
GE 1:28 God encourages reproduction.
LE 12:1-8 God requires purification rites following childbirth which, in effect, makes childbirth a sin. (Note: The period for purification following the birth of a daughter is twice that for a son.)
GE 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.
GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation.
JamieB,
Remember, in Genesis 2:18 (CEB) it says = "18 Then the Lord God said, “It’s not good that the human is alone. I will make him a helper that is perfect for him.”
Then in Genesis 2:20 (CEB) it says = "20 The human named all the livestock, all the birds in the sky, and all the wild animals. But a helper perfect for him was nowhere to be found."
So the God character didn't know Jack ____. It's no wonder the world is screwed up. It was made by an incompetent deity.
I can already tell this is going to be a fucked up thread. the OP has already been proven wrong about the bible.
Link for the burnt animation.
https://media.giphy.com/media/B0yHMGZZLbBxS/giphy.gif
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Welcome Bee! You don't seem very sincere about this Christian nonsense. Are you just fucking with us? If not, I would like to ask you this: Why would I want to be like you?
Correct, it's a question and a answer at the same time. Kudos to you.
Because there's a very real, practical benefit in having a personal relationship with God. He'll bless you in ways you've never thought of.
I want everyone to experience what I experience.
Zombocalypse, there's a very real, practical benefit in having a personal relationship with reality. It will delight you in ways you've never thought of.
I want everyone to experience it for themselves.
Welcome to the forum. The answer to the unknown to a believer is always something like "God works in mysterious ways" or "Only god knows" or whatever. If that gives you comfort then so be it. I wish you the best. Maybe you'll grow out of it.
Personally, Ignorance is not bliss to me. Therefore I do not submit to some God of ambiguity that can't even reveal itself to either of my senses. Including common sense.