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Diotrephes's picture
Harry Truman,

Harry Truman,

A lot of what you've posted is accurate but it's a complex problem. The US wouldn't have as many immigrants and refugees if we didn't go around the world creating trouble in other countries. But that's our favorite national hobby. As a collective the powers that be love to bring back war trophies, which are the refugees. Maybe it makes them feel better for fucking over their countries and destroying everything they had.

Right now they are trying to grab some North Koreans to add to their collection. One of the results of any war with North Korea will be that we will import a lot of them as war trophies.

Now the interesting thing about all of that is that the US will never, ever, do any of that in any African country south of the Sahara and in western Africa. And they will do their damnedest to restrict Haitians. They are still pissed because the black Haitians defeated the white French and won their independence. That was simply unacceptable and will never be forgiven. That's why Haiti is the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere.

mykcob4's picture
Nope, Harry Truman, you are

Nope, Harry Truman, you are dead wrong. ISIL is a result of the Bush administration ignoring Abu Musab al-Zarqawi as a threat and for allowing Shia Iraqis to rule over the Sunni and causing a sectarian war. The 97% is a fallacy just like the election results for Putin. The "rebels" are not terrorist. They are people that Asaad terrorized with his tyranny.
As usual, you don't know a damn thing about what you are talking about.

Harry Truman's picture
Ill give you that- I don't

Ill give you that- I don't know much about the Civil War in Syria- that's probably why I never addressed the war itself in the OP. I know the democrats and neocons have been setting the middle east on fire and killing millions of Muslims, and I know it's stupid to welcome in millions of people you just declared war on, and I know that Obama dropped over 100,000 bombs on the Middle East each year he,was in office.

I don't really think if you bomb the shit out of some poor dirtbags country, you have the right to talk about how compassionate you are. We libertarians opposed US involvement in the Middle East- no one cared, you bombed them anyway, and now you want to let them in.

mykcob4's picture
Your wrong about the numbers

Your wrong about the numbers Harry Truman. I know that libertarians preach about not being involved in international affairs. They ignore the reality and the big picture. It isn't muslims per say that the US bombed. They didn't bomb them because they were muslim as you suggest. You have to understand who is the enemy and why. You don't. Just like you don't understand that the rebels in Syria are not terrorist.
There are several factions in Syria and Iran. The Kurds, the Syrian civilians (rebels), the tyrannical Asaad regime, ISIL, Al-Qaeda, Iranian backed Shia, are the main players. The USA backs the Kurds and the civilian rebels. The Russians back Asaad's tyrannical regime. Iran backs the Shia. ISIL is a group of disaffected Iraqi soldiers that lost the Gulf War and came under the then Al-Qaeda Lieutenant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. When Zarqawi started bombing mosques, Al Qaeda disowned him and he was bent on creating a caliphate. The Islamic State of Iraq and Levant, which in Islamic mythology is the beginning of the end of the world. The USA has to fight Al Qaeda and ISIL and are determined to help the Kurds and the Syrian civilians rebels, not to take over or exploit those people but to do the right thing and come to their aid against tyranny. The Russians want to use Asaad as a puppet and use and exploit those people.

Harry Truman's picture
Look at your comments Bob-

Look at your comments Bob- you're basically a neocon but with a few socialist notions. You even criticized Bush for not being hawkish enough.

When George Washington warned us to stay out of Europe's wars, he didn't just mean Europe, he meant the Old World in general, and all the way until the Korean War we stuck by the Monroe Doctrine and actually had peacetime every once in a while- yes I know, an odd notion to us today, but we spent 49 years at peace after the war of 1812, 33 years after the Civil war, and 23 years after WW1, since then we haven't even had 10 years in between wars.

mykcob4's picture
@Harry Truman

@Harry Truman
Again I don't know who the fuck "Bob" is because it certainly isn't I.
I didn't criticize Bush for not being hawkish enough. I said he didn't pay attention to Zarqawi. You don't just defeat and army and leave them to their own devices. Also Bush shouldn't have allowed Shias to run Iraq alone. There should have been a joint sharing of power and rule to include the Sunni and the Kurds.
You know what Harry, you are a prime example of someone that has no practical experience, but reads just a little bit then thinks that they are an expert.

Harry Truman's picture
I never said I was an expert,

I never said I was an expert, I just denied your establishment bullshit. As you are well aware, there is a difference between making a claim and denying one. I deny your neocon and socialist garbage, that's what these discussions are about. You never attacked any beliefs of mine because I haven't expressed any thus far. The BOP is on you, I'm just a cynic who isn't a part of your bullshit.

mykcob4's picture
@Harry Truman

@Harry Truman
Establishment bullshit? neocon socialist? How stupid!
No, this discussion is you accusing refugees of being terrorist. You got your hat handed to you by everyone that replied to you and you just can't handle it. So you call me names like "bob or bop","neocon" and "socialist".
You don't know what you are talking about, so you get called out on it and your response is insults and name calling.
Typical.

Harry Truman's picture
That comment was about your

That comment was about your support of neocon foreign policies- the OP was about how we shouldn't be letting Syrians into the U.S. because they will try to import their backward culture with them.

mykcob4's picture
Oh, my my my Harry Truman.

Oh, my my my Harry Truman. You have really run off the rails, haven't you? I am as far from a neocon as one could get. The statement about Syrians "we shouldn't be letting Syrians into the U.S. because they will try to import their backward culture with them." is the same bullshit they tried to pull about the Irish years ago.
You are a racist plain and simple.

Harry Truman's picture
I'm racist against evil

I'm racist against evil authoritarian cultures? Schnozz, I only want to keep these people our of the U.S. You democrats and Obama have been killing them by the hundreds if thousands with your stupid wars. So stop being so self righteous- remember, your party put over 100,000 Japanese people in internment camps just for being Japanese.

mykcob4's picture
@Harry Truman

@Harry Truman
False premise a non-starter. Internment was wrong and everyone has acknowledged that but it just wasn't the Democratic party that it that and you should know that.
Obama isn't at fault for the wars in the Middle East. As for him killing hundreds of thousands, that is a false statement as well.
You want to keep people out of the USA (I think that is what you meant despite your typo), that is just racist nonsense.
You can't justify your racist comments.

Harry Truman's picture
It was FDR- I wonder what

It was FDR- I wonder what political party he came from and influenced so much?

500,000 dead Iraqis and 2,500 dead soldiers in Iraq alone, not even counting Afghanistan or those who died in the Syrian Civil War he helped start. Not all of this was under his administration, but even if only half of it were he would have killed hundreds of thousands.

I don't want to let backward cultures in-house I said in an earlier post that Sikhs, Japanese people, and Mexicans have a positive influence on our nation.

mykcob4's picture
@ Harry Truman

@ Harry Truman
You are seriously going to blame internment of the Japanese on just FDR and the Democratic Party? Pathetic!
Obama only ordered the military to carry out missions that protected Iraq and the US. He didn't start any wars. He was handed a mess.
You don't know what you are talking about.
You are a brainwashed racist, no doubt about it.

Harry Truman's picture
Who signed Executive Order

Who signed Executive Order 9066? Why- FDR, that was his signature, he signed it. It isn't even undeniable that the modern democratic party is based on the policies and presidency of FDR.

Obama could have withdrawn troops, but he didn't, he put more in and continued fighting these wars. Unless Bush Jr held a gun up Toshiba head and gold him to put more troops into the middle east, he was fully responsible.

I am not a brainwashed racist, you are a brainwashed SJW, and you don't know what you're talking about.

mykcob4's picture
@Harry Truman

@Harry Truman
Every day you become more unhinged. A punk like you really needs to experience life before you shoot off your mouth.

Harry Truman's picture
You're a complete idiot Bob-

You're a complete idiot Bob-

mykcob4's picture
@Harry Truman

@Harry Truman
Bob may very well be but I am not Bob.
As far as idiots go, you are the very definition. Shooting off your mouth about things you know nothing about. Ignoring facts, omitting facts and repeating far right-wing propaganda. You're a smug little shit, which apparently is your goal in life. Congratulations! You made it. You have achieved ultimate stupidity.
A smug little turd grows in a privileged household, doesn't have to pay for anything soaks in every far right-wing bullshit story that comes along and then arrogantly regurgitates it thinks that he knows everything. The truth is that you know nothing. You're just a smug ignorant punk. I am talking to you, Harry Truman. I don't need to make up some smart-ass version of your moniker. You are the punk-ass kid. You're a racist and a moron.

Harry Truman's picture
I think I know how this works

I think I know how this works pretty well by now- I am not part of your socialist cult so you come back with sophistry and insults so you can discredit me rather than having to deal with my arguments or beliefs.

You called me a racist because I called Islam for what it is- a violent death cult founded by a warlord, and said that we should not be letting people in from these places. A blatant example of sophistry, because Islam is the worship of a pedophile warlord, and is not a race.

You tried to claim that I'm just a brainwashed conservative who 'soaks in right wing propaganda,' because I express opinions you disagree with. Your definition of a right winger is anyone right of Joseph Stalin, and you define right wing propaganda as anything which isn't in line with your left wing propaganda.

You said I live a privileged life, which is both relative, and irrelevant, as an insult.

What I really find amusing is that you called me a punk, which I am flattered at- I never tried to pass myself off as a punk, not wanting to be a poser, but I guess I am. A punk being defined as someone anti-establishment who gives no regard to whether or not their beliefs or lifestyle are unpopular. So, I guess I am a punk.

As far as snug is concerned, that's you- you are the one promoting an authoritarian, elitist, agenda. That your entire ideology in a nutshell.

Diotrephes's picture
Harry Truman,

Harry Truman,

Mohammad gets a lot of gruff for being a pedophile but everyone was a pedophile in ancient times. In the Jewish Babylonian Talmud it has whole sections devoted to how to have sex with two-year olds (three-year olds depending on how they calculated the age). The age of consent was seven (7) in Delaware, USA, in 1895. You can bet that the slavers didn't have any minimum age.

Harry Truman's picture
Of course, I was making a

Of course, I was making a point- Islam is a belief system, not a race, and is no more exempt of criticism than Nazism or communism.

Harry Truman's picture
Of course, I was making a

Of course, I was making a point- Islam is a belief system, not a race, and is no more exempt of criticism than Nazism or communism.

Diotrephes's picture
Harry Truman,

Harry Truman,

Sure, the US put some Japanese in concentration camps during WWII. But it didn't put any of them who were in Hawaii in the camps. We had a full-blown racist propaganda war going on against the Japanese and if they had been loose on the mainland the racists would have most likely killed them. Hawaii was basically a military base so it wasn't a problem there. But we also had Germans, Jews, and Italians in the concentration camps as well. We even sent some Jews to Nazi Germany and we did prisoner of war exchanges as well.

While the US was racist against the Japanese it was even more racist against its own black citizens. When the war started it wouldn't even let them donate blood. And it wouldn't allow black Americans to kill white Nazi soldiers who were trying to conquer the world. It sent most of them off to fight the Japanese. And it wouldn't allow them to work in the war factories.

Algebe's picture
@Diotrephes: "While the US

@Diotrephes: "While the US was racist against the Japanese"

That didn't start after Pearl Harbor though. The US, and in particular California, had anti-Chinese and anti-Japanese movements and laws in the 19th century. That was after the US used ironclad warships to force Japan to open its ports and end two centuries of strict isolationism in 1868. The US did that to help the American whaling industry of all things.

Japanese migrants were welcomed in South America but treated like second-class citizens and animals in the US. That offense to their national pride was one of the factors that pushed them along the path to extreme nationalism and imperialism.

Diotrephes's picture
mykcob4,

mykcob4,

Harry Truman might be a lot of things but describing him as a racist in the Syrian issue is inaccurate. Syrians are whites under US law. He might have a cultural/religious ethnocentric bias against them but it's not racist if he is white himself.

MCD's picture
I thought you were a pathetic

I thought you were a pathetic excuse for a person based on your previous posts. This one proved it

Harry Truman's picture
I thought that you weren't

I thought that you weren't worth my thoughts being wasted on what you are, and I stand by that.

K FRAME's picture
Harry,

Harry,
Reasoned, accurate, and calm explanations. Very well done. Liberalism truly is a mental disorder.

Harry Truman's picture
They're not even liberals,

They're not even liberals, they're socialists who stole that word liberal. They're just authoritarians.

mykcob4's picture
Ah, Harry Truman found a

Ah, Harry Truman found a friend. Yet another conservaturd racist nutcase I'm sure. K Frame thinks that Liberalism is a mental disorder, yet this great nation was founded on Liberalism. By the look at K Frame's icon, he thinks a great deal of himself, which is typical of a conservaturd.

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