Do atheists have faith in life from non-life?

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mykcob4's picture
@Uberdem

@Uberdem
1) Your attachment is misleading and is a lie as it asserts that the scientist said something that he never did.
2) There is no such thing as faith. Understanding the scientific process and understanding that evidence yields facts is not having faith.
What you have done is posed a false premise based on a lie. Essentially a "push poll". A predetermined outcome for the purpose of asserting your viewpoint and not the REAL facts.

algebe's picture
Who's the toothpaste salesman

Who's the toothpaste salesman on the right side of those pictures?

Why do born-again happy-clappy evangelistic pass-the-loot hucksters always have such great teeth? Watch out Little Red Riding Hood.

MCDennis's picture
Wow this is just too easy.

Wow this is just too easy. Whether you are an atheist or a theist, live came from non life. In theism, god or gods created life from non life. Example, in Christianity life came from clay or dust. To the extent that we atheists worry about abiogenesis, we are waiting for science to demonstrate how this might have worked. We don't make up gods to attempt to explain our existence.

ThePragmatic's picture
@ Uberdem

@ Uberdem

Lets analyse the picture you have kept referring to:

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"Atheist fairytales!"

Richard Dawkins: Living beings evolved from s single-celled organism billions of years ago.
William Lane Craig: How did life originate?
Richard Dawkins (Magical phrase): We don't know!
William Lane Craig: If you guys don't know, you are liars by asserting that living beings evolved from a single-celled organism!
Richard Dawkins: Someday, we will completely manipulate the evidence and make up a more convincing fairytale, I mean theory!
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This is of course some immature misrepresentation, not only of Richard Dawkins but also of William Lane Craig as well.

"Atheist fairytales!"
Atheism has nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution, Abiogenesis or even science. There are lots of people of various levels of religious beliefs and from various different religions, that not only accept the scientific answers, but are scientists themselves.
The author reveals his ignorance in his own words.

"(Magical phrase): We don't know!"
If an answer is not known, in what way is it "magical" or somehow dishonest to say "We don't know"? It is the ONLY honest answer if the answer is not known. Calling it a magical phrase is not just ridiculous but incredibly ironic, considering what people of faith say to defend their beliefs.

"...you are liars by asserting that living beings evolved from a single-celled organism..."
These are two separate concepts mixed together:
1. How life got started (abiogenesis):
Needs a lot more evidence, the answer is still uncertain, (but abiogenesis do have supporting evidence).
2. How life evolved (The Theory of Evolution):
Has an solid foundation of supporting evidence. The answer is known to a very high degree of certainty.

"Someday, we will completely manipulate the evidence..."
A childish attempt at trying to troll anyone who understands the scientific method, while simultaneously revealing that the author lacks understanding of what he is mocking.

Alembé's picture
For those who are interested,

For those who are interested, we had a thread on this subject recently citing peer-reviewed scientific data that addressed the potential for non-life to become life:

The Origin of Life; inching closer to an understanding.
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/origin-life-inching-cl...

Kataclismic's picture
Life is just a chemical

Life is just a chemical reaction. To say that life cannot come from non-life is to say that the chemicals and metals that make up your body cannot create a living body, and yet they do. Non-life, in fact, makes life.

You can get specific about the beginning of life from no life but it's readily apparent that it only requires a specific mix of non-living chemicals, we don't have to know the specific mixture to come to grips with the mechanics.

Alembé's picture
“Life is just a chemical

“Life is just a chemical reaction.” Yes, life is just a series of chemical reactions. However, what separates these chemical reactions from other reactions is a level of organization and the emergent property that is life. That is a special thing and I think this is where theists get hung up and have to insert a deity to explain it.

In a similar way, I think that consciousness is an emergent property of advanced, organized nervous systems and the concept of the soul rears its head.

bigbill's picture
faith is only wishful

faith is only wishful thinking life started from the first cell made up of molecules amino acids such as proteins I would rather anytime go with Charles Darwin origin of the species 1859 any day then to claim that I or mankind came from a supernatural entity that you call GOD.We cannot perceive a god there are so many people worshipping god or multi gods from the Egyptians to the greeks to the reomans etc etc.today there are some 22,000 denominations that claim exclusivity to a god in the so called protestant faith. why all these different teacgings? why all the confusion.if there is a god then why a simple teaching.

Thoranhaxmaul Thoranhaxmaul's picture
You moron. Evolution and

You moron. Evolution and Abiogenesis are different things!

Thoranhaxmaul Thoranhaxmaul's picture
Debunking the picture;

Debunking the picture;
#1, single celled organisms ARE living things.

#2 Evolution and Abiogenesis are completely different theories, mixing them up is like mixing up car manufacturing and driving.

#3, semi-strawman Craig is one judgemental bastard. So... we're liars if we can't explain how cars are made in the middle of describing a driving incident?

#4 again, Evolution and abiogenesis are different things and single celled organisms are living things. Therefore, Abiogenesis happened BEFORE single celled organisms. Not after, BEFORE. There, evolution fom cingle celled to multi celled organisms and the formation of bacteria are unrelated things alltogether.

#5 quite frankly, the inability to admit you made a mistake makes makes hypothetical Craig the dishonest one. It's called Intelectual Honesty, admitting you don't know something. It''s a sign of self-awareness and therefore intelligence. If you do NOT admit you don't know something, you're even stupider AND a liar.

MCDennis's picture
This is childishly simplistic

This is childishly simplistic. We have a reasonable expectation that scientists that study evolution are correct. IF you think they are not, prove it and collect your Nobel prize in biology. But even IF you did so you would not be one step closer to proving that gods or a god exists. The opposite of evolutionary theory is not god did it

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